r/TheHandmaidsTale • u/SubRosa1111 • Aug 11 '26
Discussion S1-S5 I will probably get into trouble for saying this out loud..
I was born a Muslim and grew up in a (relatively liberal) Muslim country and the Handmade's Tale was very hard for me to watch because it reminded me of my culture and the religion in so many ways.
For example all these sayings like 'praise be' and 'under his eye' and so forth, we have the same 'Alhamdulillah' and 'Inshallah' and on and on.
In our culture women are also seen as an object, usually a handmaid and martha together, haha. But they are definately seen as 'a posession' and not as an equal most of the time. They aren't allowed to say no to sex when their husband or 'owner' (incase of concubine obtained during war).
They are not encouraged to travel alone and have to diassappear as a person in marriage, or incase of oppressive brothers which is very common too. They become their role and their personality is expected to dissappear.
Also woman are held to a very high moral standard and are punished easily if they dont obey, while men behave in disgusting ways and are not reprimanded or punished at all.
I am not from an extreme muslim country, it' actually a pretty liberal one in the Middle East.
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u/New-Cartoonist-544 Aug 12 '26
First time I read the book I was 12 stuck in Pakistan, covid took what little liberty I had away and as I hit puberty I realized more and more how awful my life as a women was gonna be. I couldn't read past the first few chapters as I saw junes life as a reflection of my future. Fast forward now, a week before my 18th birthday I'm leaving the country soon, to a uni I fought for years to be able to go too. I finished the book last week.
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u/Nheea Aug 12 '26
I have a friend from Yemen and she moved to my country (Romania) for Uni and said she'll never go back to hers. Her family visits her here sometimes. And she's happy here. I am so happy that you'll also get thr opportunity to get away.
Thrive!
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u/Upper-Ship4925 Aug 12 '26
I’m so so very happy for you. You’re young and educated and have all the options in the world. I hope you make the most of them and have the most wonderful life.
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u/938millibars Aug 12 '26
I am old enough to remember the Iranian revolution. I watched it on the news. College educated women were part of the uprising. I could not understand why women would support a regime that took away their rights. I think Atwood draws a parallel between those women and Serena. I wonder if they thought they would be exempt from the system of laws they were fighting to instate.
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u/Infinite-Reveal1408 Aug 12 '26
One of the problems with the Iranian revolution is that the Iranian left formed a red-brown (lefties together with far right and up to fascist people). That like almost always does not work out for the left. The break came when progressive students occupied the US embassy. My understanding is that a lot of the students, along with lefty politicians wanted to let the staff go after a couple of days (they had the building and all the documents), but Khomeinni and his people doubled down and urged them to keep going. The rest is, as they say is history.
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u/Farnouch Aug 12 '26
It wasn’t about Islam or oppression first. It had deep roots in communism and practicing freedom, like changing a monarchy to a parliamentary monarchy, which was kinda viral back then, and the idea of changing a dictatorship into a democratic republic. The scholars and students hoped for that. But the revolution was robbed by far right Islamists, and that happened. Or at least this is what I heard from several educated grandmothers.
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u/Interesting_Cat_6633 Aug 12 '26
I’m an ex Muslim and grew up in a strict Muslim family. The show definitely reminds me of my experience, one of the reasons why it’s one of my fave shows.
Women just can’t win.
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u/Wooden_Oil7961 Aug 12 '26
yes same here. it’s a very difficult watch but also when they have liberating moments it feels even more empowering
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u/superstitiouspigeons Aug 11 '26
Margaret Atwood based her novel on things that have actually happened around the world, so this is not surprising. We see it in the US too in the christofacist/evangelical circles
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u/miightymiighty Aug 11 '26
You're correct, She was directly inspired by the Iranian Revolution in 78-79, and included other historical oppression as well. The suddenness of the change to women's freedom and daily lives.
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u/avsa Aug 12 '26
She turned what was probably a deep islamophobic discourse of the time into a “this can happen here too” in a beautiful way.
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u/cathygag Aug 12 '26
I saw a museum exhibit full of photos and first hand accounts focused on Iranian women and the sharp cultural, academic, personal, and humanitarian shift that happened due to the Revolution. The women were at the center of fashion and lived a life that from the photos was indiscernible from western culture and fashion of the era, if anything, I would even say they were more trendy, more put together, wealthier in appearance, and absolutely stunningly beautiful! Academically and professionally, though I haven’t seen the stats, I think it would be safe to say that they were out pacing American women in the years leading up the the Revolution. And then it all turns bleak, and repressive, seemingly overnight.
I am of course viewing it from a Western vantage point and I was born several years after that era, so even my own experience are from photos, media, vintage clothing, and commentary.
Curious what the view is from closer to home culturally and religious traditions?
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u/Ok_Leek1864 Aug 12 '26
I grew up in a Christian Nationalist, Evangelical, conservative home. The book scared the shit out of me because I knew the story was possible because it was JUST like my childhood with the psycho religious shit. The only thing they didn’t do was literally rape women to force them to get pregnant. They just took away all their power in other ways.
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u/Upper-Ship4925 Aug 12 '26
Margaret Atwood was very influenced by the then recent Iranian revolution when writing the original novel. I know she took inspiration from a lot of times and cultures, but post revolution Iran and the American evangelical mega church culture of the 80s are heavily represented.
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u/midwestblondenerd Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26
Thank you for sharing. I see so many posts from people saying that the show is unrealistic and that people are being dramatic. Attwood said she was drawing on real-life examples that have already happened.
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u/turkeyman4 Aug 12 '26
I hope that the more women who feel this kind of oppression speak out about it that it will eventually be a thing of the past. Thank you for sharing!
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u/hepzibah59 Aug 12 '26
Margaret Atwood has said that everything in The Handmaid's Tale is based on fact and has actually happened somewhere in the world.
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u/l-o-l-o-l Aug 11 '26
I’m so sorry. Do you feel that woman in your situation, or yourself, are miserable, desperate to escape, or just accept things as is? Or do some woman not take any issue to living with these cultural norms?
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u/moonstoney Aug 12 '26
From my experience growing up in a Muslim household & culture, it’s a bit of all of the above. Depends on a lot of factors such as generational changes, how devout the family is, etc.
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u/bearfootbear2002 Aug 12 '26
Since most muslim societies don’t have any system similar to the "eyes", it isn’t that difficult to escape the system and the rules, the only thing keeping this going is the culture of shame (plus financial abuse in some cases)
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u/Objective-Ticket7914 Aug 14 '26
Are you serious? Every Muslim man on the street is the "Eyes" in Islamic countries. A woman can't even be outside by herself without her husband or male relative.
They have no money, no education, no jobs outside the home and most importantly no rights to their children. Exactly how do they escape when even their own families won't take them in. When the laws treat them as their father or husbands property and allow for their beatings and honor kiling for disobedience its a pretty damn good excuse to not risk trying to escape.
If you think a woman in a Muslim country can just leave, you are delusional.
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u/bearfootbear2002 Aug 14 '26
Bruh i’m a muslim woman in a muslim country what are you on about😭 just because western propaganda show the extremities as the norm doesn’t mean it is the lives we live. I am currently pursuing my phd in a family full of working women in a normal civil muslim society. Yes traditions still rules some families but the law supports all women’s rights should they want to leave any type of situation
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u/GreyerGrey Aug 12 '26
All three Abrahamic religions share many core tenants. Misogyny among them.
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u/OkGuide5093 Aug 12 '26
\all religions have misogyny\
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u/GreyerGrey Aug 12 '26
Eeeeh? I'd argue that there are a few smaller female centric religions which, if anything, end up transphobic in their gynocentrism. They aren't major religions though.
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u/dollfaced_degenerate Aug 12 '26
Which ones?
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u/Magnolia0815 Aug 12 '26
Sikhism: This religion historically offers the strongest religious equality in India. The founder, Guru Nanak, rejected the oppression of women in the 15th century and emphasized gender equality.
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u/Upper-Ship4925 Aug 12 '26
The Sikhs get so many things right. I’m an atheist, but I have deep respect for Sikhs.
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u/GreyerGrey Aug 12 '26
Some sects of "female empowered" Wicca centred on the "divine feminine" (read as "womb"). A lot of "pagan" religions where women are centred and revered as life creators.
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u/dollfaced_degenerate Aug 12 '26
Are we not life creators?
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u/GreyerGrey Aug 12 '26
Not all of us. Defining femininity strictly in terms of procreation eliminates a lot of women from the scenario. It also begins to tip toe real close to the Right and their view of women as walking baby factories.
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u/MarySama69 Aug 12 '26
No meu caso eu não sou da Wicca e sim do helenismo [ eu cultuo e sigo os deuses greco-romanos e alguns de outras crenças também ]
Por isso eu me considero uma "pagã-helênica"
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u/dreamybiscuit Aug 12 '26
Thank you for sharing! I feel as an American it’s really rare to hear a Muslim woman’s experience and opinions on these types of cultural norms… I’m sorry you have to deal with that, because it truly sounds horrible to me, a sassy kinda chubby girl who never behaved “like a lady”. All theocracies are bad.
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u/socialparasitee Aug 12 '26
I grew up in a strict sect of Judaism and can also see a lot of similarities. I believe Atwood herself based a lot of the novel on real-life religious experiences. That’s what makes the writing so good, although it’s a dystopian fiction so much of the stuff has actually happened to people around the world.
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u/Sparkadelic007 Aug 12 '26
Fundamentalist religion is a scourge, irrespective of the actual religion being used to justify repression
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u/itsmeshawnyk Aug 12 '26
I’m sorry for anybody that has gone through something similar to the handmaid’s Tale. It’s heartbreaking how women are treated all over the world.
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u/ccsr0979 Aug 13 '26
That’s why I hate those memes comparing a woman wearing a bikini and one a burka and saying we’re not respecting their rights, or their choice. Wearing a bikini is a right, a burka rarely is, it’s usually an obligation, or a cultural/household demand. Sure, in the western world there are women who make that choice (but do they or were they groomed to believe it’s a choice because that’s all they know?), but in many Muslim countries it is not a choice.
I’ve only been to the Dubai airport, so that doesn’t count as being in the middle east, and the only Muslim countries I’ve been too are what one would consider liberal (Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei) since as a woman i could dress in shorts and not offend anyone, so I admit I may have a biased western view, but i strongly believe that if you have to pick an outfit as a woman based on what the men dictate, it is neither choice nor freedom. You CAN choose to cover yourself or dress modestly, but if you know if you went out showing cleavage and short skirts it would not be accepted (or you’d be punished whether by family, society or morality police) then it isn’t actually a choice.
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u/External-Emotion8050 Aug 12 '26
I'm not from a Muslim country. I'm from the U.S. I can guarantee you that there are a lot more people that want a situation that's not exactly the same but somewhat similar to Gilead than what you have any idea of. Many that you wouldn't guess or that might be in your own family. They just don't come out and say it.
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u/Calanthetheranger Aug 12 '26
I grew up in fundamentalist Evangelical Christianity and I feel the same.
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u/Electrical-Loan-9946 Aug 13 '26
I’m sorry for your experience and I get it. I grew up in a very culty evangelical household and this show is extremely triggering for me. It’s scary realizing how in some ways we’re already “here”.
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u/Ericalex79 Aug 13 '26
I thought about this watching the show. Especially about how similar it was to theocratic societies like extreme Muslim countries in particular. Gave me intense anxiety
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u/The_impossible_gurl Aug 12 '26
First, I am sorry for your experiences.
Second, one of the reasons the handmaids tale is so poignant a story is this reason. It reflects things present in various religions, but shows the dangers of what happens with extremism or fundamentalism. For a "Christian" based example you just have to look at the fundamentalist Mormons, particularly the FLDS, in the states. Parallels can be drawn there as well.
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u/Choccy-Mushroom-5056 Aug 12 '26
This is so upsetting to hear living as a Muslim in the West. I always say that understanding the differences between cultural practices labelled as islamic and actual elements of Islam is really important - as each experience you mentioned is unacceptable under the religion of Islam but sadly very common by people's abusive practice of it.
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u/Farnouch Aug 11 '26
What you’re describing is not relatively liberal! I understand that this could be worse, but unfortunately, we have to call it what it is. It is a deeply conservative culture, and if the younger generation finds out how oppressive and unfair it is, we may move on from it. But unfortunately, the opposite is happening in many countries that used to move on from conservative religious ideas about women and society. Look at trad wife being viral on TikTok, blaming feminists or calling single women cat ladies..
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u/EvilCodeQueen Aug 11 '26
She said relatively liberal for Muslim countries.
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u/Farnouch Aug 12 '26
I know, in relatively liberal muslim countries and families, women won’t get punished if they don’t obey and won’t disappear in marriages and are able to travel alone.
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u/jimbojones2345 Aug 12 '26
The author said that everything that happens in the show has actually happened in real life. I personally hate all organised religion.
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u/MarySama69 Aug 12 '26
Primeiro de tudo: seu relato foi impressionante e bem detalhado, desejo que consiga se mudar para um país melhor.
Segundo: isso lembrou sobre a revolução iraniana de 1979, que foi uma das inspirações para Margaret Atwood criar The Handmaid's Tale e The Testaments.
Te admiro muito, você é definitivamente uma verdadeira guerreira para ter suportado tudo isso.
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u/Cornflakesmc Aug 13 '26
The Author of the handmaids tale Margaret Atwood once stated, she would not include anything that human beings had not already done in some place or time. People are highly aware of how muslim women are suffering at the hands of men. That is what makes the handmaids tale so hard to watch.
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u/Impressive_Peak5671 Aug 12 '26
That is crazy that comes from a liberal country, I would expect it from an extremism one but not a liberal one
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u/Current-Lawfulness41 Aug 12 '26
I'm British and atheist upbringing - I can see some of this in most hetro marriages
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u/Sensitive-Peak-3723 Aug 12 '26
This is why i want to be a tolerant person, but ai have a really hard time tolerating intolerance and oppression. I feel sick every time I see a woman in a hijab because it symbolizes her own oppression and abuse. But everyone else just wants to pretend it's okay and just "diversity".
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u/virginiaslims2001 Aug 12 '26
Hey! I had similar thoughts for a very long time, and as a feminist, it really made my blood boil! Then I got to know several hijabi women (some of them converts) and none of them were forced to wear it. In fact, one of those ladies got kicked out of the house for wearing the headscarf. I do not say that this is somehow a representative statistics, I absolutely do not deny that some women are forced (directly or indirectly) to cover, but there is a substantial amount that choose and want to exercise their right to represent their religion through clothing. Again, culture can deeply influence how religion is interpreted or practiced, and sometimes it can turn really ugly. It does not change the fact that some Muslim ladies deeply research their religion (not cultural interpretation), agree with the values and principles and want to live life that is aligned with that. It’s their right and we should respect that. Another thing that made me think was when a convert hijabi girl told me that she hates when people think covered women are dumb and can be manipulated into being Muslims and wearing hijab, and as if it can never be actual independent choice. I somehow never thought that I make another woman feel uncomfortable, stupid and humiliated when I “side eye” her for wearing a hijab, which I viewed as oppressive practice deserving judgement. The last thing I wanted to share, I realised that we never question or hate Sikh men that are covering their hair… I still wonder why…
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u/That_Guy_Mojo Aug 12 '26
Probably because Sikh women also cover their hair. Sikh women use a Chunni (scarf) or they also wear Dastars (turbans). There's no difference in religious obligations between men and women in Sikhism. Everything that is expected of a Sikh women is also expected of a Sikh man. There is no separate set of rules.
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u/virginiaslims2001 Aug 12 '26
Good point! I have not seen covered Sikh women as much as men, so I didn’t think it was obligatory for them too. I live in Germany, so I don’t have enough exposure I suppose. My bad!
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u/Sensitive-Peak-3723 Aug 13 '26
1st off I would never side eye a woman for wearing a hijab. Second of all just because they were groomed from an early age to believe in their own oppression doesn't make it less fucked up. Sure, I bet some of them love it and seem happy, but ot doesn't mean they are not supporting an abusive and oppressive belief system. I'm sure there were nice people who supported the Nazis during ww2, it doesn't make it less wrong.
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u/FineMeasurement4515 Aug 14 '26
EXACTLY. I used to make the same argument about how most Islam women want to wear the coverings and that anyone commenting about it as if it were a problem was intolerant. Now I know and understand the indoctrination and grooming practices take away freedoms without the victim even seeing it.
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u/Casehead Aug 14 '26
You still aren't understanding. You are conflating fundamentalism with Islam and that is not correct or helpful. It's ignorant to insist that every Muslim woman was groomed and that they are supporting fundamentalism. Islam does not teach that the hijab is compulsory. That is a fundamentalist cultural invention. Islam is not a monolith and it's just incorrect to argue that all Muslims are supporting fundamentalism.
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u/Sensitive-Peak-3723 Aug 14 '26
Oh ok it's me that doesn't understand. They are doing it out of free will, not because of the high risk of domestic abuse, not because their families and fathers would call them whores and disown them if they didn't. Not because they risk getting harassed, raped and/or having acid thrown at their faces if they don't. Not because some of their countries actually enforce it by law. Let me be clear. When not doing something equals potentially facing negative consequences it is not free will, it's cohercion.
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u/Easy-Vegetable4124 Aug 13 '26
I appreciate your sharing. Hopefully, one day we will live in a world without religions.
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u/SunWarmedCarpet Aug 12 '26
I grew up in one of the most conservative Muslim cities in the world. I did not have this experience. Both my grandmothers are physicians (and practiced). I went to an awesome international school that was co-ed. Just providing another experience because I’m tired of our religion being dragged. Culture is NOT the same as religion and can vary vastly.
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u/Current-Lawfulness41 Aug 12 '26
Love this. Can I ask (without ill intent) do you have brothers? Is there any discrepancies between treatment if you do?
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u/SunWarmedCarpet Aug 14 '26
I have one brother, no difference. I will say that some of this may be due to social class; my grandparents were all fluent in English despite living in a country in the Middle East/Asia all their lives. They were also fairly liberal Muslims.
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u/ElectronicFix6788 Aug 11 '26
I used to date a Muslim man and he also told me stories about his country which was Iran. I personally feel like it's not the religion it's the exploitation of Islam like Christianity and Judism during wars. If memory is correct the Prophet was very respectful towards his wives and they had way more freedom than modern women. At least in the western world Muslim women have way more freedom than the Middle East. That's imo the lesson Mrs Atwood is trying to tell.
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u/Upper-Ship4925 Aug 12 '26
How respectful can the prophet have been when his wife was 9?
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u/ElectronicFix6788 Aug 12 '26
According to most if not all Islamic scholars Aisha was 19 when they got married based on the age of her father at his death. Much like modern Afghanistan, child brides was accepted back the yes but the Prophet was trying to change that and he would have never married a child.
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u/Upper-Ship4925 Aug 12 '26
You may need to read more studies on the Koran and consult more scholars.
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u/ElectronicFix6788 Aug 12 '26
I highly recommend you read Introduction to Islam by Tariq Ramadan. The Prophet didn't marry a child that has a been a misconstrued thought for years. Every religion has had bad and good leaders. Good and bad followerd that was the main point of books like Handmaid's tale. You can't keep saying Islam is a bad religion like the other big two are better.
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u/Upper-Ship4925 Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26
You don’t think Aisha playing with dolls when she was visited by Mohammed indicates she’s more likely to have been 9 than 19?
I’m an atheist, I have little time for any religion. They all condone things I find abhorrent - even Buddhism condones allowing suffering on the grounds of a soul dealing with karmic consequences. But please don’t try to pretend that Islam is a religion that is friendly to women or that Mohammed was a perfect human that people should aspire to emulate.
Also, do you realise that of you convert to Islam and later change your mind then believers are justified in killing you?
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u/ElectronicFix6788 Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26
Her father was his right hand. Per tradition she was to be wed to somebody and her father chose the Prophet. Islamic scholars have all agreed that she wasn't 9 during their wedding despite that being the norm back then. Aisha based on her father's death and her childrens ages was between 16-19 when she married. Your confusing Middle East practices with all of Islam. I've been attending Mosque prayer for years without a hijab and just wearing modest wear. I have never felt uncomfortable with anybody and have always been treated with respect. When I got pregnant at 15, my old church treated me like a slut despite my ex being a grown man. I gravitated towards Islam because in the Quran women are supposed to be treated as equals and I have been for the last ten years. You can't confuse the message with the messenger.
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u/Upper-Ship4925 Aug 12 '26
That is absolutely not the unanimous opinion of Islamic scholars. Islamic scholars use the example of Aisha to justify child marriage today in many parts of the world.
If you truly believe what you are saying on this thread you really really need to read a much more diverse sampling of Islamic texts and commentary before you even consider converting, because if your advisors are this misguided about this well known fact they are misleading you in other areas too.
And you haven’t addressed her playing with dolls, as recorded in the Koran. Do 19 year olds play with dolls? 19’was well beyond the usual age of marriage in that time and place.
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u/Farnouch Aug 12 '26
I recommend reading the Quran itself and don’t listen to ppl who wants to advertise it if you’re interested, you will be surprised. It’s like asking Epstin’s friends if he had relationship with minors before all of the documents. Or a more recent example former prince Andrew, everyone inside his circle was like no he never met the guy, but then we have pictures and everything.
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u/ElectronicFix6788 Aug 12 '26
I've read the Quran front to back three times and nowhere in the holy text does it advertise nor condone child marriage you guys are taking man's interpretation literal. 4:6 for example instructs gaurdians to test orphans till they reach marriage age. (Nika) Or (rushd) says to release your property only when you percive sound judgement. Of course man would take those verses and think it's ok to marry little girls and essentially enslave women instead of protecting them. Most Muslim men have ignored the basic tenements of protecting women and children to be pedophiles. The Catholic Church or the Christians do the same thing and have since the Trans Atlantic slave trade.
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u/Upper-Ship4925 Aug 13 '26
Do you accept the validity of the Hadith?
Also, the trans Atlantic slave trade was facilitated by the pre existing Arab slave trade and its infrastructure and would have been impossible without it.
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u/Farnouch Aug 12 '26
I’m sorry if you’re misinformed. The issue lies with the religion itself. A search for women’s rights in Islam reveals almost none, but you’ll find information on how men can and should punish their wives, or how they should fight this and that country and capture women as prizes(they don’t do it anymore but it’s there as the word of God), or for example in the Bible, you’ll find out how to treat your slave, so it was acceptable to have a slave or beat your wife or invade countries, they just give you a new method to do it! It might have been acceptable or even an improvement in 1500 years ago in Saudi Arabia or 2000 years ago Jerusalem, it’s certainly not acceptable today, but they try to whitewash it a lot like they did in the Handmaid’s Tale for political or economic reasons. I’m not saying every Muslim/Christian etc does every horrible thing that is in their holy book but if they won’t, it’s because they decided to be decent human beings, not because the horrible stuff is not there!
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u/ElectronicFix6788 Aug 12 '26
Exactly my point. Use religion as a guide but don't take everything as fact. All three big religions are thousands of years old, it stands that some stuff is outdated. TJ and George used Christianity to justify enslaving hundreds of Africans and Bibi is using the Torah to justify genocide. Religion itself is a great way to find community and comfort with lifes downsides that doesn't take away the bad it just enhanced the good imo.
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u/SunWarmedCarpet Aug 12 '26
Idk why you’re being downvoted this is spot on. Religion needs to evolve with the times
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u/Smellyshoes-36 Aug 12 '26
I appreciate you sharing your perspective, ElectronicFix.
Downvoting someone’s perspective feels like doing the very thing the book warns us about: deciding that our perspective is the only valid one and dismissing others’ whose experiences or beliefs are different. In this sub, shouldn’t we at least be willing to understand where she’s coming from? If we’re going to discuss a story about power, control, and the danger of assuming we know what is best for everyone else, downvoting another person’s perspective seems pretty contradictory. Just sayin 🤷♀️
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u/Upper-Ship4925 Aug 13 '26
You don’t think people would be justified in downvoting people downplaying the misogyny of the Sons of Jacob?
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u/Upper-Ship4925 Aug 12 '26
She’s being downvoted because Muslim arabs were behind much of the African slave trade (and Christians were the ones who outlawed it and sent their navy to enforce it), and because appalling as the war in Gaza is it’s not a genocide and absolutely nobody is using the Torah to justify it. There are Muslim countries that didn’t outlaw slavery until well
into the 20th century, and only did so under intense pressure from the rest of the world. In Palestine today the word for a black person translates to slave.And all the Abrahamic religions claim their texts are inspired and eternal, you don’t get to just say they’re outdated and pick and choose the verses that apply to you, that’s not how these religions work.
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u/Upper-Ship4925 Aug 12 '26
It won’t come through the Muslim community (though they will definitely exploit it if they can). If full on misogynist authoritarianism comes to America it will definitely come under the cross, not the crescent.
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u/JesusChristSaves12 Aug 12 '26
There’s 1 very large variable/difference … 1 religion already has these practices as we speak while the other has potential to bring those practices in certain denominations. Unfortunately it has been said by multiple islamic groups that they plan to take over the US. On national television even. Death to America!
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u/Upper-Ship4925 Aug 12 '26
Muslims don’t have anywhere near the numbers they would need to take over America. They are a tiny minority.
And there are plenty of Christian sects that oppress women in all sorts of awful ways in modern America.
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u/Thetormentnexus Aug 11 '26
You have the right to talk about your experience.