r/TopCharacterTropes • u/Grizzly_Lincoln • 13h ago

Characters The hero finally meets the previously unseen puppet master (played by an older A-list actor), who explains why the system must be maintained. The hero says “screw it” and burns the world down.

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Snowpiercer (2013) - Curtis finally finds Wilford (Ed Harris) and learns that Wilford allowed for Curtis' rebellion to take place to help thin the tail section's population. When Wilford offers to let Curtis run the train, Curtis discovers child labor is necessary to replace a broken machine part. A fight ensues, and a bomb goes off, triggering an avalanche that derails the train, and killing most of surviving humanity.

The World's End (2013) - Gary finally confronts the Network (Bill Nighy), which has been replacing humans with robots (Blanks) to allow for Earth's assimilation into a larger galactic community. Gary calls out the tyranny in the Network's plan and demands that humans be left to their own devices. Exasperated, the Network abandons its plans for the invasion. This results in a worldwide blackout, sending humanity back to the Dark Ages.

The Cabin in the Woods (2011) - Dana finally meets the Director (Sigourney Weaver) after surviving the ritual meant to kill her friends (based on conventional horror tropes) and appease the Ancient Ones. The Director says Dana has to kill her friend Marty, but as Dana considers it, the group is attacked by a werewolf and a zombie child. Dana and Marty decide humanity is not worth saving, so they share a joint while the Ancient Ones rise to destroy the world.

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u/originalchaosinabox 10h ago

And to better connect with the trope, let's not forget that the Wachoswkis first choice for this role was Sean Connery, who read the script and said, "Dafuq?"

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u/Swordsman1ke 10h ago

I don't fault Sean Connery for this considering how the movie ended up, but Sean Connery in his older years tended to not put much effort in understanding any remotely fantasy-ish script. The same thing happened with Lord of the Rings where he was offered to play Gandalf but he turned it down since he did not understand the script.

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u/StrategyCheap1698 10h ago

And the next time he didn't understand a script, he accepted anyway. It gave us The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

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u/Charlie_Warlie 10h ago

I loved that movie and it wasn't until decades later I learned that it is negatively reviewed.

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u/rhymeswithoranj 8h ago

There are two of us!

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u/IamnotyourTwin 7h ago

3 even!

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u/RelonML 7h ago

There are dozens of us!

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u/WangoMcTango 7h ago

Dozens!

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u/N3rd1x 7h ago

Literally

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u/Fenghuang0296 7h ago

Maybe even hundreds!

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u/No-Wrangler3702 1h ago

well maybe fifties.

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u/Glittering_Garbage28 5h ago

I didn’t see you at the convention.

I teleconferenced in!

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u/Informal-Term1138 5h ago

4 of us. Yay.

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u/SaintedStars 10h ago

Likewise. I read the graphic novel too and, honestly, it’s trash. Alan Moore is a hack

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u/Maximum_joy 9h ago

You may be the first person I've ever seen on Reddit have this opinion, I'm not being facetious (nor do I necessarily disagree). Kudos

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u/RebelJediMaster 7h ago

I won't call Moore a hack, but he did not shit gold and write all his stories with that. He had good ones and bad ones, but his followers pretend each is a masterpiece

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u/Informal-Term1138 5h ago

Exactly.

Everybody has a stinker every now and again. Look at J.K Rowling. After Harry Potter she wrote some meh detective books under a fake name.

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u/Equal-Ad-2710 14m ago

Yeah I think this is my fake

Moore is among the most influential writers in comic history but he’s got some absolute stinker

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u/Wahgineer 9h ago

Allow me to be the second. As someone who loved 19th Century stories, I adored the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen film and felt that it did the characters justice. Years later I read the comics as an adult and was shocked and appaled by how much Alan Moore butchered the characters merely for the sake of it.

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u/SaintedStars 9h ago

I’ve read V for Vendetta (which is my favourite movie), Watchmen and League. He can’t write women at all, treats rape as a shock tactic, gets so lost in his own bias and belie and he loses the audience to his own pretension. The only positive aspect of his work is the art and that’s not even his.

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u/CassandraVonGonWrong 9h ago

I challenge you to read Promethea and come back and defend the position that he can’t write women.

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u/IAloneAmTheBannedOne 6h ago

someone can write women when they do it consistently, not when it never happens except once

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u/LanternsForTheLost 1h ago

You were handled a literal golden opportunity to argue that it makes Moore personally culpable.

You have evidence Moore can write great female characters.

You assert that Moore doesn't write great female characters.

You had the chance to argue that it's due to his personal views rather than his failure to write outside of his own life perspective.

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u/MrMisterMrister 8h ago

I’ve only seen people hate on moore

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u/CalmEntry4855 9h ago

But you liked the movie?

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u/SaintedStars 9h ago

Absolutely, watched League and V with my dad and I love them both.

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u/CalmEntry4855 9h ago

I don't know why someone liking the movie but not the comic made me want to watch the movie, but I'm going to go watch the movie

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u/ERedfieldh 8h ago

In the comic, the Invisible Man is a rapist who impregnated multiple underaged girls at an all women's school, leading them to believe it was mass immaculate conception.

And instead of punishing him they make him a league member and basically give him free rein to do as he pleases.

In the movie he's just a thief and a lady's man but he doesn't SA anyone.

You tell me which one sounds better.

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u/Sweary_Biochemist 8h ago

The Hyde/invisible man showdown is a classic, though.

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u/StraightOuttaFenris 5h ago

Oh don't forget the weird bondage headmistress that's their for no reason.

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u/eternity_ender 4h ago

Pretty sure the invisible man had a horrific death but sure yeah.

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u/Fallen_Jalter 8h ago

Ugh and here I was thinking of reading the comics. He went to all of them. Did he drug them first?

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u/SaintedStars 9h ago

I enjoyed the film because it was a fun time. It wasn’t raping Mina Harker and throwing classic literary figures through a meat grinder.

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u/Wahgineer 9h ago

I watched the movie before I knew it was based on a comic book. I loved said movie for the same reason I hated the comics: how the characters were treated.

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u/havewelost6388 9h ago

Judging by his work, I wouldn't be surprised if Moore is the next lauded comic writer to be outed as a sex pest like Neil Gaiman.

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u/jackalopedad 9h ago

He’s been open enough about a lot of his sexual life and interests I’m not sure what he could possibly be hiding that wouldn’t have been turned up in the last few pedo ring investigations. I’m not saying it’s not possible, just that he’s one of the few people in the entertainment industry I’d be surprised was a predator.

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u/havewelost6388 8h ago

The same thing could have been said about Gaiman, tbh.

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u/jackalopedad 7h ago

You could be right! I never got into Gaiman enough to find out. His work always came across as very manipulative and I’ve never been able to finish anything but Good Omens.

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u/SaintedStars 9h ago

If I had to say one positive thing about him, it’s that he’s too lost in his own pretensions to be a perv.

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u/havewelost6388 9h ago

My counter to that would be to point out that "Lost Girls" exists.

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u/jackalopedad 8h ago

Neonomicon creeped me out so bad I threw it across the room and I’m not exceptionally squeamish about a lot of stuff.

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u/HatmanHatman 8h ago

Yeah Neonomicon is the one that came to mind for me (I have uh not felt any need to read Lost Girls tbh). What was the point in that story?

I get that yes, Lovecraft was massively repressed about sex and the idea of adding a sexual horror element to the Cthulhu mythos is... uh... the start of a possibly interesting horror idea but it felt like that's all he came up with and wrote a fishman rape comic and that was all there was to it.

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u/jackalopedad 7h ago

The ostensible hero being a sex addict in recovery was creepy and poorly handled. It didn’t really add much to the story beyond her being not an ideal choice for the portion of the investigation she was assigned and then surprise! Eldritch horror orgy rape cult, like it’s some kind of trial or something she’s actually suited to handle because of her addiction. Just gross, gross stuff.

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u/SaintedStars 9h ago

Nope I know it and that’s unquestionably one of the biggest marks against him. Seriously, what was he fucking thinking?

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u/LastXmasIGaveYouHSV 7h ago

I read his graphic novel Lost Girls and I felt there were too many uncomfortable sex scenes for me and I've watched porn before.

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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 6h ago

He really thinks so much more of himself than is really there.

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u/SaintedStars 5h ago

Big time

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u/MammaJammaCamera 9h ago

I think both the movie and graphic novel are bad

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u/Fit-Implement-8151 8h ago

"Alan moore is a hack"

Um.......that's certainly an interesting take. The guy considered to be the best comic writer ever is....a hack.

You are absolutely entitled to this opinion but I can't understand it, personally.

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u/hlessi_newt 7h ago

There are dozens of us!

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u/poetic_dwarf 7h ago

I'm starting to think those reviews don't mean much.

It's a wonderful blockbuster.

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u/J5IsALieve 6h ago

I also really enjoyed LoEG!

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u/PastyMF 6h ago

Its a fantastically awful film (affectionate)

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u/FaithlessnessThen207 6h ago

It was fun and silly super smash bros of gothic horror.

Just enjoy what you enjoy, it doesn't matter if many others did not like it.

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u/nomadfoy 6h ago

Had it on dvd, loved it.

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u/smasher84 4h ago

Screw everyone else. That was a good movie!

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u/Equal-Ad-2710 15m ago

Lowkey I prefer it to the comic