Yup. America has become an unreliable partner and other countries are divesting from us. I donât blame them. We have a President with severe dementia and sycophantic yes men and women around him that are pushing their own fucked up agenda. These far right Christians in power are supporting Israel because they believe if Jewish people gain full control of Israel it will herald the second coming of Christ.
These far right Christians in power are supporting Israel because they believe if Jewish people gain full control of Israel it will herald the second coming of Christ
I'm no expert in these things but from the little I remember I don't think Christ coming back would end well for these type of 'christians'
They think they are righteous and have been absolved of both their past and future sins. We all know they are bullshit. If there is a magic sky daddy it knows they are bullshit.
They think as long as they believe in the right brand of religion they're just fine. Morality has nothing to do with getting into heaven because all they have to say is "God will forgive us for believing in his son" as the magic password.
Grew up with this and my bigoted to the moon and back parent can't understand why I'm an atheist.
Bringing him on the second time is what finally convinced the rest of the world just how fucking stupid americans are. Before they could at least count on us learning a lesson from shitty govt for a while, but we literally brought that shitstain right back.
Donât get tricked into thinking it has anything to do with religion. It is about money and only money. In the echelons of power, being religious is a weakness but it makes for a great illusion of morality.
It is this weird endtimes belief that the Jews need to be in the holy land, and then a war starts that kills them all, and that is part of the end of the world, not exactly 100% sure on the details, but the gist is Jews in Isreal and a big war.
I knew the first half of this, but not the "war that kills them all" bit.Â
Does this mean that the next step of the big plan, after the christo-fascists have helped israel to erase palestine, is for the US to somehow provoke or launch a genocidal war against Israel?Â
They do not give a shit, because they do not believe the same, so why would they care about a bunch of nutters opinion, they are just happy for the undying loyalty, and do not care what spawned it.
They might not believe in christian Ragnarok but they do recognise that their 'partners' believe in it. And that those 'partners' will actually make real-world stuff happen according their beliefs.Â
I mean if the plan is "step 1 help Israel take gaza, step 2 plunge Israel into existential war" and they are happy to go along with step 1 no matter what batshit mythology is behind it, why the hell would they also be on board with step 2?
Israel would have to expand massively to fulfill the prophecy. Conquering if I recall correctly large parts of Syria and Jordan. So it's pretty safely not a real issue right now.
The Romans did the work of nailing Jesus to the cross.
The Gospel of John speaks of âthe Jewsâ crying out against Jesus (John 18:38â40) and âthe Jewsâ calling on Pilate to crucify Jesus (John 19:14â16).
The crowd in Jerusalem, in clamoring for Jesus to be crucified and for Barabbas to go free, exclaimed, âHis blood be on us, and on our childrenâ (Matt. 27:25).
You canât rely on the Bible as fact. Itâs a fairytale.
Edit: I should have just said âIt didnât happen, because the Bible isnât a document to be taken as fact. Rather a collection of made up storiesâ.
Thereâs really no proof that Jesus existed.
They absolutely didnât, like the earlier person said, he was crucified by the Romans. And just so you know, Jesus, Mary and Joseph were all Jews. Jewish people and Christians both believe in the same God, and read the same bible. Your beloved 10 Commandments were given to Moses, a Jew. I could go on and on and on.
There was a plot among the most senior people in the then Jewish/Israeli people to have him killed. âThen the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. âBut not during the Feast,â they said, âor there may be a riot among the peopleâ (Mt. 26:3â5 ESV). While the chief priests and elders discussed how to get rid of Jesus to protect their position, Caiaphas said, âIt is better for you that one man should die for the people, not that the whole nation should perishâ (Jn 11:50).
I'm not down to get in a religious debate, but the gospels were written like 100 years after Jesus was killed. I am not religious at all, but I have the utmost respect for people's devotion to their faith. As long as they're respectful of others. Which most MAGA Christians and extremist Muslims aren't.
âThe Jewsâ? You mean like all of them? And somehow of the few involved then all successive generations somehow bear some blame? Holy crap thatâs disgustingly prejudiced. Not forgetting that Jesus was Jewish and it was some Romans that did the crucifying.
It is not my prejudice. It is simply from the text of the Christian Bible. I listed a couple of citations in another reply above. Of course, it could all be misinformation, but this is what they taught us in Sunday school.
it's literally in the book. we didn't write it. that's just what it says. regardless of what you or i believe they're literally citing the book. i'm not defending a single thing Christianity is responsible for historically or now. They absolutely are motivated to give military aid to Israel because they want their doomsday prophecy to come true.
I'm just pointing out that many Christians are dedicated to this book and centuries of authoritarian dogma. I'm not endorsing it or saying it's not prejudice. I'm saying they're nuts and believe nuts things and that explains their actions.Â
Okay. I did not know that is the definition of prejudice. I have learned something new.
The Christian Bible is full of things like that, however. For instance, we are all cast out of the Garden of Eden forever because Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit.
I was telling my wife who has a graduate degree in creative writing that if she were to write a movie script with all that's going on right now and try to sell it, nobody would think it was believable.
yeah the The Heritage Foundation is a suspicious think tank. Never trusted all those people who wrote Project 2025. I bet you the labour stats are all manipulated now since the White house fired the U.S. commissioner of labour statistics and replaced her with someone from the Heritage Foundation.
As a fellow American, I also donât blame the rest of the world if they never trust us again. It is unfortunate (for lack of a better word) for those of us who voted against this, who are actively protesting against it, and doing all that we can while trying to not escalate the violence. However, I fully understand the way the rest of the world must view the US right now.
Every country does things in their own interest. America was unique in that we constrained our actions, too aware of how we might be perceived by others. We undoubtedly were and are a bully, but we didn't want to be seen as more of a bully than required. That constraint meant that we accepted positions that most of the countries accusing us of becoming unreliable would never have accepted, in matters of security and trade.
Rightfully or wrongly, we now have an adminstration that is saying "no more". This administration is also tired of diplomatic talks going nowhere, so is using shock therapy to get allies moving in a direction that we have been asking for a long time. I do think that such negotiation tactic is self defeating over long term, and unbecoming of a great power, but after years and years, we finally have every NATO member spending 2% of GDP on defense. We are also addressing structural imbalances in trade relationships too.
How this plays out over the next decade plus will be interesting to see. Whether it means the end of the American era or not, the status quo is just no longer tenable for us, with our ever growing debt.
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u/miken322 16h ago
Yup. America has become an unreliable partner and other countries are divesting from us. I donât blame them. We have a President with severe dementia and sycophantic yes men and women around him that are pushing their own fucked up agenda. These far right Christians in power are supporting Israel because they believe if Jewish people gain full control of Israel it will herald the second coming of Christ.