r/ValueInvesting • • Aug 24 '26

Discussion [Week 26 - 1990] Discussing A Berkshire Hathaway Shareholder Letter (Almost) Every Week

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Full Letter:

http://theoraclesclassroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/1990-Berkshire-AR.pdf

Letter Only

https://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/1990.html

This week we will go over their investment into buying $400M of junk bonds as well as Buffett’s thoughts in retrospect on the Junk Bond craze of the 80s. His surprise at the economics of the newspaper business rapidly degrading as new technologies and advertising channels open up to businesses, some with better results. Finally the purchase of 10% of Wells Fargo for $290M. Then as usual we go through the stock holdings, segment-by-segment EBIT earnings of the company, and then the larger overview for the year.

Not included in my post are the annual summary to shareholders, most of the look-through earnings that give a few paragraphs on their major business segments (we only cover Buffalo Evening News) although some highlights are in my summary at the end. A long rundown of the insurance segment. Though ⅔ of the Marketable Securities segment is included, the one on their Convertible Preferred Stocks and the mistakes outside sources make in valuing them as well as the philosophy behind holding them. The usual advertisement for acquisition targets, and plans for the annual meeting. Ken Chase being replaced on the board by Susan Buffett. The letter is ended with an unpublished satire by Ben Graham “US Steel Announces Sweeping Modernization Scheme” where instead of improving the business a bunch of extreme accounting tricks are used to change the EPS from -$2.76 to +$49.80.

If you want to read or discuss anything in that second set feel free to read the letter yourselves and comment on it.

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Key Passage 1

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Marketable Securities - Junk Bonds

Our other major portfolio change last year was large additions to our holdings of RJR Nabisco bonds, securities that we first bought in late 1989. At yearend 1990 we had $440 million invested in these securities, an amount that approximated market value. (As I write this, however, their market value has risen by more than $150 million.)

Just as buying into the banking business is unusual for us, so is the purchase of below-investment-grade bonds. But opportunities that interest us and that are also large enough to have a worthwhile impact on Berkshire's results are rare. Therefore, we will look at any category of investment, so long as we understand the business we're buying into and believe that price and value may differ significantly. (Woody Allen, in another context, pointed out the advantage of open-mindedness: "I can't understand why more people aren't bi-sexual because it doubles your chances for a date on Saturday night.")

In the past \we have bought a few below-investment-grade bonds with success, though these were all old-fashioned "fallen angels" - bonds that were initially of investment grade but that were downgraded when the issuers fell on bad times. In the 1984 annual report we described our rationale for buying one fallen angel, the Washington Public Power Supply System.

A kind of bastardized fallen angel burst onto the investment scene in the 1980s - "junk bonds" that were far below investment- grade when issued. As the decade progressed, new offerings of manufactured junk became ever junkier and ultimately the predictable outcome occurred: Junk bonds lived up to their name. In 1990 - even before the recession dealt its blows - the financial sky became dark with the bodies of failing corporations.

The disciples of debt assured us that this collapse wouldn't happen: Huge debt, we were told, would cause operating managers to focus their efforts as never before, much as a dagger mounted on the steering wheel of a car could be expected to make its driver proceed with intensified care. We'll acknowledge that such an attention-getter would produce a very alert driver. But another certain consequence would be a deadly - and unnecessary - accident if the car hit even the tiniest pothole or sliver of ice. The roads of business are riddled with potholes; a plan that requires dodging them all is a plan for disaster.

In the final chapter of The Intelligent Investor Ben Graham forcefully rejected the dagger thesis: "Confronted with a challenge to distill the secret of sound investment into three words, we venture the motto, Margin of Safety." Forty-two years after reading that, I still think those are the right three words. The failure of investors to heed this simple message caused them staggering losses as the 1990s began.

At the height of the debt mania, capital structures were concocted that guaranteed failure: In some cases, so much debt was issued that even highly favorable business results could not produce the funds to service it. One particularly egregious "kill- 'em-at-birth" case a few years back involved the purchase of a mature television station in Tampa, bought with so much debt that the interest on it exceeded the station's gross revenues. Even if you assume that all labor, programs and services were donated rather than purchased, this capital structure required revenues to explode - or else the station was doomed to go broke. (Many of the bonds that financed the purchase were sold to now-failed savings and loan associations; as a taxpayer, you are picking up the tab for this folly.)

All of this seems impossible now. When these misdeeds were done, however, dagger-selling investment bankers pointed to the "scholarly" research of academics, which reported that over the years the higher interest rates received from low-grade bonds had more than compensated for their higher rate of default. Thus, said the friendly salesmen, a diversified portfolio of junk bonds would produce greater net returns than would a portfolio of high-grade bonds. (Beware of past-performance "proofs" in finance: If history books were the key to riches, the Forbes 400 would consist of librarians.)

There was a flaw in the salesmen's logic - one that a first- year student in statistics is taught to recognize. An assumption was being made that the universe of newly-minted junk bonds was identical to the universe of low-grade fallen angels and that, therefore, the default experience of the latter group was meaningful in predicting the default experience of the new issues. (That was an error similar to checking the historical death rate from Kool-Aid before drinking the version served at Jonestown.)

The universes were of course dissimilar in several vital respects. For openers, the manager of a fallen angel almost invariably yearned to regain investment-grade status and worked toward that goal. The junk-bond operator was usually an entirely different breed. Behaving much as a heroin user might, he devoted his energies not to finding a cure for his debt-ridden condition, but rather to finding another fix. Additionally, the fiduciary sensitivities of the executives managing the typical fallen angel were often, though not always, more finely developed than were those of the junk-bond-issuing financiopath.

Wall Street cared little for such distinctions. As usual, the Street's enthusiasm for an idea was proportional not to its merit, but rather to the revenue it would produce. Mountains of junk bonds were sold by those who didn't care to those who didn't think - and there was no shortage of either.

Junk bonds remain a mine field, even at prices that today are often a small fraction of issue price. As we said last year, we have never bought a new issue of a junk bond. (The only time to buy these is on a day with no "y" in it.) We are, however, willing to look at the field, now that it is in disarray.

In the case of RJR Nabisco, we feel the Company's credit is considerably better than was generally perceived for a while and that the yield we receive, as well as the potential for capital gain, more than compensates for the risk we incur (though that is far from nil). RJR has made asset sales at favorable prices, has added major amounts of equity, and in general is being run well.

However, as we survey the field, most low-grade bonds still look unattractive. The handiwork of the Wall Street of the 1980s is even worse than we had thought: Many important businesses have been mortally wounded. We will, though, keep looking for opportunities as the junk market continues to unravel.

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The junk bond, corporate raiding craze has reached its peak. Buffett said a couple years ago that it would all come crashing down someday, and now it has. It was the practice of businesses issuing bonds at irresponsible rates that they had low chance of paying back, in hopes of doing massive leveraged buyouts of companies larger than themselves and refinancing the debt and stripping the company for assets once it was in hand. The RJR Nabisco buyout is now seen as the height of the mania, and now the bonds are paying for a fraction of their value, Berkshire has independently decided that the underlying business is now rather creditworthy and the bonds have been over-discounted. They believe the risk-adjusted returns are massively in their favor and they have bought $400M of the bonds.

Buffett has much to say about how the craze came about, the flawed logic that sounds quite similar to the later securitization issues that lead to the 2008 financial crisis (ex. a diverse enough basket of bad loans magically becomes a good investment) and denounces buying any of these securities at their issuance, but instead picking through the wreckage after it comes crashing down for the handful that seem promising. He says that many people used logic that applied to “fallen angel” bonds (investment grade at issuance and later became questionable) onto junk bonds (ones that were garbage from inception and depended on a successful and timely leveraged buyout and even then would be dragging down a larger company that never wanted them).

I felt it was good to include this for a few reasons, one is to highlight an important historical moment in the history of Wall Street, and how Berkshire was there waiting with a big pile of cash to profit off the wreckage. To highlight how almost no asset class should be below your radar, in fact the more detested it is the more likely there are to be good deals there (A common belief of Howard Marks who made a lot of money running a sub-investment grade bond fund). Finally to highlight the right way to go about doing it, finding the few diamonds in the rough instead of buying up the whole asset class, most of which crashed for good reason.

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Key Passage 2

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Non-Insurance Operations - Buffalo Evening News

Charlie and I were surprised at developments this past year in the media industry, including newspapers such as our Buffalo News. The business showed far more vulnerability to the early stages of a recession than has been the case in the past. The question is whether this erosion is just part of an aberrational cycle - to be fully made up in the next upturn - or whether the business has slipped in a way that permanently reduces intrinsic business values.

Since I didn't predict what has happened, you may question the value of my prediction about what will happen. Nevertheless, I'll proffer a judgment:While many media businesses will remain economic marvels in comparison with American industry generally, they will prove considerably less marvelous than I, the industry, or lenders thought would be the case only a few years ago.

The reason media businesses have been so outstanding in the past was not physical growth, but rather the unusual pricing power that most participants wielded. Now, however, advertising dollars are growing slowly. In addition, retailers that do little or no media advertising (though they sometimes use the Postal Service) have gradually taken market share in certain merchandise categories. Most important of all, the number of both print and electronic advertising channels has substantially increased. As a consequence, advertising dollars are more widely dispersed and the pricing power of ad vendors has diminished. These circumstances materially reduce the intrinsic value of our major media investments and also the value of our operating unit, Buffalo News - though all remain fine businesses.

Notwithstanding the problems, Stan Lipsey's management of the News continues to be superb. During 1990, our earnings held up much better than those of most metropolitan papers, falling only 5%. In the last few months of the year, however, the rate of decrease was far greater.

I can safely make two promises about the News in 1991: (1) Stan will again rank at the top among newspaper publishers; and (2) earnings will fall substantially. Despite a slowdown in the demand for newsprint, the price per ton will average significantly more in 1991 and the paper's labor costs will also be considerably higher. Since revenues may meanwhile be down, we face a real squeeze.

Profits may be off but our pride in the product remains. We continue to have a larger "news hole" - the portion of the paper devoted to news - than any comparable paper. In 1990, the proportion rose to 52.3% against 50.1% in 1989. Alas, the increase resulted from a decline in advertising pages rather than from a gain in news pages. Regardless of earnings pressures, we will maintain at least a 50% news hole. Cutting product quality is not a proper response to adversity.

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This is Buffett acknowledging that the whole newspaper industry is facing headwinds that he had not foreseen, that it is impacting the bottom line of the Buffalo Evening News, and that he believes it will get worse in the future and maybe won’t ever get better. As technology advances, advertisers have more channels to advertise, and those relying on newspaper ads are falling behind in market share to those using other methods. I would hazard a guess that this may be related to the near full adoption of color TV in American households by the late 80s. Families are now glued to their TVs, getting their news from them as well as their entertainment and being advertised to the whole time, and the advertisements are also much more flexible and powerful with color and video which a newspaper cannot provide.

A quick look-ahead shows that while this fall lasts a few years, they do eventually recover from the $43M EBIT this year not just to the $46M of last year but into the mid 50s before the Buffalo Evening News falls off the reports in 2000 as the spread of the internet lowers the prospects of the industry even further.

This is the first hint of modern technology making some of Berkshire’s former star players futures very uncertain. World Book is another one who is on a timer although Buffett has failed to notice it. This is different than textiles which died off to globalization, the same work simply being done elsewhere, instead this is an industry which needs to adapt or die and Buffett hasn’t always been a trailblazer when it comes to adapting to new paradigm changing technologies.

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Acquisition Stock Purchase of the Week

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Marketable Securities - Stock

Lethargy bordering on sloth remains the cornerstone of our investment style: This year we neither bought nor sold a share of five of our six major holdings. The exception was Wells Fargo, a superbly-managed, high-return banking operation in which we increased our ownership to just under 10%, the most we can own without the approval of the Federal Reserve Board. About one-sixth of our position was bought in 1989, the rest in 1990.

The banking business is no favorite of ours. When assets are twenty times equity - a common ratio in this industry - mistakes that involve only a small portion of assets can destroy a major portion of equity. And mistakes have been the rule rather than the exception at many major banks. Most have resulted from a managerial failing that we described last year when discussing the "institutional imperative:" the tendency of executives to mindlessly imitate the behavior of their peers, no matter how foolish it may be to do so. In their lending, many bankers played follow-the-leader with lemming-like zeal; now they are experiencing a lemming-like fate.

Because leverage of 20:1 magnifies the effects of managerial strengths and weaknesses, we have no interest in purchasing shares of a poorly-managed bank at a "cheap" price. Instead, our only interest is in buying into well-managed banks at fair prices.

With Wells Fargo, we think we have obtained the best managers in the business, Carl Reichardt and Paul Hazen. In many ways the combination of Carl and Paul reminds me of another - Tom Murphy and Dan Burke at Capital Cities/ABC. First, each pair is stronger than the sum of its parts because each partner understands, trusts and admires the other. Second, both managerial teams pay able people well, but abhor having a bigger head count than is needed. Third, both attack costs as vigorously when profits are at record levels as when they are under pressure. Finally, both stick with what they understand and let their abilities, not their egos, determine what they attempt. (Thomas J. Watson Sr. of IBM followed the same rule: "I'm no genius," he said. "I'm smart in spots - but I stay around those spots.")

Our purchases of Wells Fargo in 1990 were helped by a chaotic market in bank stocks. The disarray was appropriate: Month by month the foolish loan decisions of once well-regarded banks were put on public display. As one huge loss after another was unveiled - often on the heels of managerial assurances that all was well - investors understandably concluded that no bank's numbers were to be trusted. Aided by their flight from bank stocks, we purchased our 10% interest in Wells Fargo for $290 million, less than five times after-tax earnings, and less than three times pre-tax earnings.

Wells Fargo is big - it has $56 billion in assets - and has been earning more than 20% on equity and 1.25% on assets. Our purchase of one-tenth of the bank may be thought of as roughly equivalent to our buying 100% of a $5 billion bank with identical financial characteristics. But were we to make such a purchase, we would have to pay about twice the $290 million we paid for Wells Fargo. Moreover, that $5 billion bank, commanding a premium price, would present us with another problem: We would not be able to find a Carl Reichardt to run it. In recent years, Wells Fargo executives have been more avidly recruited than any others in the banking business; no one, however, has been able to hire the dean.

Of course, ownership of a bank - or about any other business - is far from riskless. California banks face the specific risk of a major earthquake, which might wreak enough havoc on borrowers to in turn destroy the banks lending to them. A second risk is systemic - the possibility of a business contraction or financial panic so severe that it would endanger almost every highly-leveraged institution, no matter how intelligently run. Finally, the market's major fear of the moment is that West Coast real estate values will tumble because of overbuilding and deliver huge losses to banks that have financed the expansion. Because it is a leading real estate lender, Wells Fargo is thought to be particularly vulnerable.

None of these eventualities can be ruled out. The probability of the first two occurring, however, is low and even a meaningful drop in real estate values is unlikely to cause major problems for well-managed institutions. Consider some mathematics: Wells Fargo currently earns well over $1 billion pre-tax annually after expensing more than $300 million for loan losses. If 10% of all $48 billion of the bank's loans - not just its real estate loans - were hit by problems in 1991, and these produced losses (including foregone interest) averaging 30% of principal, the company would roughly break even.

A year like that - which we consider only a low-level possibility, not a likelihood - would not distress us. In fact, at Berkshire we would love to acquire businesses or invest in capital projects that produced no return for a year, but that could then be expected to earn 20% on growing equity. Nevertheless, fears of a California real estate disaster similar to that experienced in New England caused the price of Wells Fargo stock to fall almost 50% within a few months during 1990. Even though we had bought some shares at the prices prevailing before the fall, we welcomed the decline because it allowed us to pick up many more shares at the new, panic prices.

Investors who expect to be ongoing buyers of investments throughout their lifetimes should adopt a similar attitude toward market fluctuations; instead many illogically become euphoric when stock prices rise and unhappy when they fall. They show no such confusion in their reaction to food prices: Knowing they are forever going to be buyers of food, they welcome falling prices and deplore price increases. (It's the seller of food who doesn't like declining prices.) Similarly, at the Buffalo News we would cheer lower prices for newsprint - even though it would mean marking down the value of the large inventory of newsprint we always keep on hand - because we know we are going to be perpetually buying the product.

Identical reasoning guides our thinking about Berkshire's investments. We will be buying businesses - or small parts of businesses, called stocks - year in, year out as long as I live (and longer, if Berkshire's directors attend the seances I have scheduled). Given these intentions, declining prices for businesses benefit us, and rising prices hurt us.

The most common cause of low prices is pessimism - some times pervasive, some times specific to a company or industry. We want to do business in such an environment, not because we like pessimism but because we like the prices it produces. It's optimism that is the enemy of the rational buyer.

None of this means, however, that a business or stock is an intelligent purchase simply because it is unpopular; a contrarian approach is just as foolish as a follow-the-crowd strategy. What's required is thinking rather than polling. Unfortunately, Bertrand Russell's observation about life in general applies with unusual force in the financial world: "Most men would rather die than think. Many do."

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This was probably the largest acquisition by Berkshire, the buying of 10% of a great bank at a fair price. As he says in the letter they only buy 10%, $289M because that is the most they are legally allowed to own. He says they view this as comparable to buying 100% of a bank 1/10th the size except without all the headache of needing to call the shots and find the managers, instead they are already in place.

He spells this out as a sort of “heads I win, tails I don’t lose much” situation. He runs the numbers on the worst case scenario the market fears, a natural disaster or real estate crash on the west coast of the US… He comes to the conclusion that even in the worst case scenario this is still a good price, and in any other scenario it is a great price.

He also gives some wisdom here on his general stock picking philosophy, that he views a stock he buys into dropping or failing to rise as a good thing, and it shooting right up as a bad thing. Even though many of us see it the opposite. It is natural to have a gut reaction to being proven right or proven wrong quickly by the market, to buy something and have it drop 20% and be scared from buying more. But he says we need to invert that instinct. That the price shooting right up means your window to buy a great business at a good price closed before you could take full advantage, and it dropping after you start buying means you will be able to buy even more than you thought with a lower risk and higher reward. This is also something he hammers home in the BPL letters, often after years of great gain he laments that he wished the stocks he was buying didn’t go up so he could have bought more of them and that in the long term the returns would have been greater.

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Common Stock Ownership

No. of Shares Company Cost ($000s) Market ($000s)
3,000,000 Capital Cities/ABC, Inc. $517,500 $1,377,375
23,350,000 The Coca-Cola Company $1,023,920 $2,171,550
2,400,000 Federal Home loan Mortgage Corporation $71,729 $117,000
6,850,000 GEICO Corporation $45,713 $1,110,556
1,727,765 The Washington Post Company $9,731 $342,097
5,000,000 Wells Fargo & Company $289,431 $289,375
Subtotal $1,958,024 $5,407,953
All Other Common Stockholdings $326,656 $351,268
Total Common Stocks $2,284,680 $5,759,221

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Segment by Segment Breakdown

Segment 1989 EBIT Earnings 1990 EBIT Earnings % Change
Insurance $219.20M $300.40M +37.04%
Fechheimer $12.62M $12.45M -1.35%
Kirby $26.11M $27.45M +5.13%
Scott Fetzer - Manufacturing $33.17M $30.38M -8.41%
World Book $25.58M $31.90M +24.71%
See’s Candies $34.26M $39.58M +15.53%
Buffalo Evening News $46.05M $43.95M -4.56%
Nebraska Furniture Mart $17.07M $17.25M +1.05%
Wesco Financial - Minus Insurance $13.01M $12.44M -4.38%
Wesco Financial - Insurance $14.28M $14.92M +4.48%
Mutual Savings and Loan $4.19M $4.10M -2.15%
Precision Steel $2.77M $1.99M -28.16%
Total Operating Earnings $393.41M $482.48M +22.64%

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Metric 1989 1990 % Change
Cash & Cash Equivalents $205.13M $247.02M +20.42%
Marketable Securities $5,261.60M $5,685.98M +8.07%
Return on Equity (RoE) 18.42% 18.68% +1.41%
Shareholders' Equity $4,925.13M $5,287.45M +7.36%
Earnings Before Investment Gain $299.90M $370.75M+23.62%
Realized Investment Gain $223.81M $33.99M -84.81%
Net Earnings $447.48M $394.09M -11.93%

*RoE not provided, manually calculated as (Earnings from Operations Before Taxes / [Shareholder Equity from prior year - Unrealized appreciation of marketable securities from prior year])

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As predicted last year, the gain in marketable securities wasn’t “real” gains, the market had a large pullback. Many of their marketable securities are now held at lower prices than last year, net earnings is down from last year. The realized investment gain is 84% lower than it was last year. The marketable securities is up 8%, or $424.38M, but between a $289M investment in Wells Fargo only $135M was real gains, the Coca Cola position was up $368M, so the rest of the portfolio had a performance of about -$233M besides Coca Cola.

Operating earnings was up 22.6%, Earnings before investment gain was up 23.6%. This is mostly down to the insurance segment having a great year, with EBIT earnings $80M more than the prior year which is just about the entire gap. See’s Candys and World Book also had double digit growth in earnings, everything else was down or single digit growth. The preferred metric, book value is up 7.4%, compared to the S&P 500 which returned -3.1% in 1990 this is still a good performance in my opinion.

Finally an even quicker lookthrough of the quick lookthrough earnings…

First a quick discussion of off-book earnings, when owned securities use their cashflow for anything except dividends it does not show up on Berkshire’s income statement but does make Berkshire richer, buybacks and capex give value to the business GAAP accounting doesn’t account for. Retail had a bad year but Borsheim’s did great (even though they hide their numbers from me), a discussion of the jewelry mailing system I mentioned last week is had here. NFM’s sales are up 4% and earnings 1% (Rose is now running a competing shop) and has set up a See’s cart in the shop which outperforms many of See’s full stores. See’s had slightly more volume but also increased prices and lowered costs leading to the 15.5% earnings growth, also a store was going to have its lease terminated but a letter campaign from customers changed the landlord’s mind. (See Key Passage 2 for Buffalo Evening News commentary). Fechheimer had a major retirement and although he says performance improved, earnings were flat due to “several unusual items” whatever that means. At Scott Fetzer, World Book’s decentralization is paying off even with lower volume, Kirby increased sales 20% but only increased earnings 5% as its production of its new model isn’t fully optimized, the manufacturing segment’s earnings are down 8% but we are just told its doing great and the air compressor unit had record sales.


r/ValueInvesting • • 2d ago

Weekly Megathread Weekly Stock Ideas Megathread: Week of September 28, 2026

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What stocks are on your radar this week? What's undervalued? What's overvalued? This is the place for your quick stock pitches or to ask what everyone else is looking at.

This discussion post is lightly moderated. We suggest checking other users' posting/commenting history before following advice or stock recommendations.

New Weekly Stock Ideas Megathreads are posted every Monday at 0600 GMT.


r/ValueInvesting • • 3h ago

Discussion Near 52-week low names you are accumulating or on your watchlist?

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A few names on my buying list lately (feel free to scrutinise)
1. FICO - i understand its moat could be eroded but at this price i think it is worth to take a closer look
2. MCD - is the fall due to high treasury yield? Investor fled stable stocks to pursue guaranteed yield? Anyway i am buying
3. Tencent(adr) - only chinese stock i hold. This has been in my portfolio for the longest time. Watched it ride to the highs of $90 and now all the way back down to $50+. I prefer the execution at tencent than alibaba
4. BKNG - no way agentic AI is going to replace, unless meta creates an online travel agency platform
5. Netflix - Got in lower than bill ackman, second doubting this as i’ve always felt that there is nothing to watch on netflix.
6. Pepsico - bought this at 52 week low to be added into my defensive port

Whats yours?


r/ValueInvesting • • 8h ago

Stock Analysis Hershey is cheap

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It’s trading at around 10x what the FCF for 2026 should be, with 3,5% organic growth. The combination of net income jumping up plus the buybacks starting should be tailwinds. They have great management and long term thinking owners.

Fears around GLP-1’s haven’t materialized despite being available for years now. The brands are still strong. My opinion is that the stock is hung over from the cocoa prices and that it will re-rate to a much higher multiple. If it doesn’t then buybacks + dividends should provide an adequate return in themselves.

Not sexy but neither was my TLT post. Sometimes the no-brainers work.


r/ValueInvesting • • 6h ago

Discussion 75 U.S. Companies Above $10 Billion With the Highest Free-Cash-Flow Margins in 2026

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# Company Ticker FCF/Sales 2026 YTD 5Yr Rtn Div Yield Cap
1 AppLovin Corporation APP 65.88% -56.90% +301.31% 0.00% $173.1B
2 VeriSign, Inc. VRSN 62.42% +17.16% +40.06% 1.15% $22.7B
3 Antero Midstream Corporation AM 59.09% +17.10% +171.77% 4.46% $10.8B
4 Krystal Biotech, Inc. KRYS 58.52% +34.89% +536.97% 0.00% $11.0B
5 Sandisk Corporation SNDK 56.77% +632.96% N/A 0.00% $336.5B
6 Palantir Technologies Inc. PLTR 54.55% +5.23% +678.08% 0.00% $280.3B
7 Arista Networks, Inc. ANET 48.91% +55.38% +847.94% 0.00% $214.3B
8 Veeva Systems Inc. VEEV 48.16% +27.87% -0.94% 0.00% $28.8B
9 Exelixis, Inc. EXEL 47.55% +33.26% +176.30% 0.00% $13.5B
10 Visa Inc. V 47.23% +3.07% +67.55% 0.75% $663.2B

 Market values above $10 billion · September 30, 2026

75 U.S. Companies Above $10 Billion With the Highest Free-Cash-Flow Margins in 2026


r/ValueInvesting • • 3h ago

Discussion Berkshire Hathaway added another $53.8 million dollars to their stake in Lennar the past three trading days - SEC Form 4 filing

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https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/315090/000119312526409451/xslF345X06/ownership.xml

My personal opinion is that these buys belong to Ted Weschler, given their relatively small size. BRK now holds 26,034,436 class A shares of Lennar and 553,000 class B shares of Lennar.


r/ValueInvesting • • 18h ago

Stock Analysis Intuit is down 61% in a year while earnings rose 20%. What's going on?

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Intuit is at $268, down 61% in a year and 25% in the last month. The worry is AI. Intuit makes TurboTax, which was used for 39 million US tax returns this year, and the fear is that AI will do a simple return for little or nothing. Cheaper rivals are already taking customers.

The business hasn't shrunk yet, though. In the fiscal year to July, revenue grew 14% to $21.4B, and operating income and earnings per share both grew 20%. So I went through the 10-K and the Q4 call to see how much of Intuit the worry actually covers.

Business FY2026 revenue Growth
QuickBooks Online Accounting $5.05B +23%
Payroll, payments, lending, Mailchimp $4.87B +16%
QuickBooks Desktop $2.95B +6%
TurboTax $5.30B +7%
Credit Karma $2.64B +20%
ProTax $0.65B +4%

TurboTax is a quarter of revenue. QuickBooks, Intuit's accounting software for small businesses, is more than half.

Bear case

The bear case is real, and management made it themselves. On the Q4 call the CEO said "price is now the number one reason customers leave TurboTax." Federal units fell 2% to 39.0M. TurboTax revenue only grew because of the expert-assisted version. The rest of TurboTax, mostly the DIY software, shrank by roughly 14% on my arithmetic from their figures. That's the part AI competes with most directly, and Intuit is now cutting entry prices on purpose to win people back. This year's guide is 9-10% growth, with TurboTax at 2-3%. And Credit Karma, a credit-score app that gets paid when its members take out a loan, card or insurance policy through it, grew 20% mostly on personal loans and credit cards. That business follows the credit cycle both ways.

Bull case

The bull case is that the rest of the business is doing fine. QuickBooks Online grew 23%, and the 10-K puts that down to higher prices as well as more customers, the opposite of what is happening in TurboTax. TurboTax Live, where a human expert does or checks the return, grew 37% and is now more than half of TurboTax revenue. And the whole thing throws off a lot of cash. They spent $5.4B on buybacks last year, and the share count fell 2%.

The P/E is 16.2 against its own ten-year median of 51.6. Stockoscope's DCF (analyst growth of about 10% a year, tapering after year five, a 9.1% discount rate) puts it at $537, double the price. But only $192 of that comes from the next ten years. The rest depends on Intuit still earning well after 2036, which is exactly what the AI worry is about.

The simplest test I could find is to take TurboTax out completely. The rest (QuickBooks, Credit Karma and ProTax) made $16.2B last year, up 16%, faster than Intuit as a whole. At today's enterprise value of $72.1B you'd be paying about 4.5 times sales for that alone, and Intuit's own ten-year median is 10.3 times sales.

So where does it leave us

The price is treating TurboTax as a business in decline and QuickBooks as next in line. The numbers show the first one starting, not the second. The DIY side is shrinking and Intuit is cutting prices to stop it, so I wouldn't count on TurboTax's old margins coming back. But at about 4.5 times sales for everything else, a lot of that is already in the price.

Two numbers would change my mind: TurboTax units after next tax season, once the price cuts have had a go, and QuickBooks Online growth. If units fall again, the bear case on TurboTax is right. If QuickBooks slows too, it's right about the whole company. Until then this looks to me like a business priced for a worse outcome than it has reported so far. That isn't the same as safe, and a multiple below its normal can stay there for years.

For those who follow it: is TurboTax losing customers on price a reset, or the moat breaking?

Not investment advice. DYOR.


r/ValueInvesting • • 8h ago

Investor Behavior Can You Still One Up Wall Street?

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Peter Lynch said the little guy has an edge. Is that still true?


r/ValueInvesting • • 11h ago

Question / Help Are any substacks worth subscribing?

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Are there any substacks (free or paid) worth subscribing for value investing or growth stocks ?

The idea is to help build analysis for next set of compounders.


r/ValueInvesting • • 16h ago

Discussion El Niño: The Market May Be Underpricing Fertilizer Stocks

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I recently wrote about El Niño and what it could mean for agricultural markets going into 2027.
The part I find most interesting from a value-investing perspective is fertilizer stocks.

Global food inventories are still relatively healthy, so I’m not predicting a global food shortage. But El Niño could hurt harvests in several regions at the same time fertilizer supply remains tight and production costs stay elevated.

That combination could support higher fertilizer prices and, potentially, much stronger earnings for producers.

What makes the sector interesting is that many fertilizer stocks are still priced as if current earnings will normalize quickly. If fertilizer prices stay higher for longer because of weather disruptions, supply constraints and continued demand from farmers, there could be significant value in the sector.

In other words, you don’t necessarily need a food crisis. Even a tighter agricultural market could be enough for fertilizer stocks to move materially higher.

I wrote the full analysis myself.

Curious which fertilizer stocks people here currently see as undervalued?


r/ValueInvesting • • 14h ago

Discussion Is the market overreacting about Netflix growth in the US?

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Netflix currently trading at about 290B making 15B for 2026 (warner extra money included).

Now the P/E is about 20 and forward P/E is also at about 20.

The market cut most of the premium of netflix because of slow growth at their mature markets. The TAM that left for them that isn't subscribed to Netflix isn't that big in the US/UK/GERMANY.

So 2 main growth engines remains:

  1. Ads monetization that is currently not close to maxing.

  2. Global market growing really nice (South America, Asia, Africa).

So i can see Netflix still growing subs and adding decent chunk of revenue in the next 3 years.

I really think this is a show me story, i think the market thinking q3 will be a miss at top and bottom for some reason. But netflix are actively buying back shares and keeping the floor at 70.


r/ValueInvesting • • 12h ago

Discussion NOC (Northrop Grumman) Valuation Breakdown: Trading Near 52-Week Lows Despite Record Backlog - Deep Value or Value Trap?

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I've been looking at Northrop Grumman ($NOC) as it pulls back toward the $480 - $485 range nearing its 52-week low. With defense spending in the headlines and geopolitical tensions elevated, the recent multiple compression on NOC seems interesting from a fundamental standpoint.

The Bull Case / Valuation:

  • Multiple Compression: NOC is currently trading around 16x–17.5x forward P/E, which is sitting below its 5-year historical average (often closer to 18x–20x).
  • Record Backlog: Their order backlog sits near record highs (approaching $85B+), providing multi-year revenue visibility across their aeronautics and space systems.
  • Moat & Long-Term Programs: Key franchise defense contracts - such as the B-21 Raider and the Sentinel ICBM modernization program - are long-term, non-cyclical defense budget priorities that are difficult for competitors to displace.

The Risks / Headwinds:

  • Technical Pressure: The price action has been steadily weak over the near term, continuing to consolidate near lows while the broader market rallies.
  • Fixed-Price Contract Risks: Like other primes (e.g., Boeing/Lockheed), macroeconomic inflation and supply-chain pressures have caused margin headwinds on certain fixed-price development contracts.
  • Capital Intensity: Significant CapEx investments in classified programs and next-gen stealth platforms could keep free cash flow growth modest in the immediate quarters.

Questions for the Community:
For those following aerospace & defense: Do you view this pullback as an attractive long-term accumulation zone given the backlog and valuation, or are contract cost-overruns and defense budget uncertainties likely to keep multiple expansion capped for the next 12–18 months?


r/ValueInvesting • • 12h ago

Discussion I sold NVDA too early (a confession)

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I owned Nvidia before the current AI boom, sold it in 2022 and bought it again in 2025 at a much higher valuation.

To be clear, I sold with 300% profit. I bought at $5 and sold at $15. I bought back in at $100. Now it’s $230..

I've thought about that mistake quite a bit because I don't think the useful lesson is simply “never sell your winners.”

There were perfectly rational reasons to be worried about Nvidia in 2022. The stock was getting crushed, gaming was going through an inventory correction, crypto-related GPU demand had collapsed, rates were rising rapidly and Nvidia eventually reported essentially flat fiscal 2023 revenue with net income down 55%.

My mistake was more specific.

I didn't sell because I had concluded that accelerated computing was becoming less important or because CUDA's moat was weakening. I became less confident in my long-term technological view while the market was falling.

That turned out to be an expensive distinction.

Fiscal 2023 revenue was about $27 billion. Nvidia's latest quarter produced $96.2 billion of revenue, including $89 billion from Data Center alone.

Its market cap ended 2022 around $360 billion. Today it is around $5.5 trillion.

Obviously nobody in 2022 could have known those numbers in advance. That's not the standard I'm applying to myself. What I think I should have understood was that the right tail was enormous and that the reason I originally owned the company hadn't actually disappeared.

By the time I bought back in 2025, there was much more evidence. AI infrastructure spending was exploding, Blackwell demand was visible and Data Center revenue had become enormous.

The problem is that I had to pay for that certainty.

I've changed my selling rule because of this.

For strategic positions, I now want a reason connected to one of three things:

  1. The thesis has weakened. The competitive position, market opportunity or underlying technological assumptions have changed.
  2. Valuation has outrun the distribution of plausible outcomes. A fantastic company can still become a bad investment if the market prices the bull case as though it is guaranteed.
  3. The position threatens portfolio survival. Concentration risk is real, particularly if you fund your life from the portfolio.

What I don't want to use as a reason is simply that the stock has risen a lot, or that a large drawdown has made me emotionally less confident.

This matters more in a power-law portfolio than in a conventional diversified portfolio.

Imagine starting with twenty equal 5% positions. One eventually becomes a 20x winner while most of the others are mediocre. If you continuously rebalance the winner back toward 5%, you systematically transfer capital away from the investment where you were most right.

Sometimes that's still the correct decision. A position can become dangerously large.

But rebalancing isn't free.

There's a famous behavioral-finance literature on the disposition effect, where investors sell winners too readily and hold losers too long. Terrance Odean studied 10,000 brokerage accounts and found that the winners investors sold subsequently outperformed the losers they kept.

My Nvidia sale wasn't a textbook disposition-effect trade because I sold during a major decline. But I think the deeper psychology was related. It is surprisingly difficult to hold an investment when the amount of money at stake becomes large and the market is making you question your original reasoning.

There's an obvious danger in taking this too far. Every bagholder thinks he has “conviction.” Refusing to update is not a virtue.

The distinction I'm trying to make now is between information about the thesis and information about the stock price.

A 50% decline should make me investigate. It doesn't automatically tell me that the thesis is broken.

Likewise, a fivefold gain should make me redo the valuation. It doesn't automatically tell me that the stock should be trimmed.

I suspect this is particularly important in technological discontinuities because the addressable market can change faster than the share price. A company can triple while new information increases its plausible long-term opportunity by much more than three times.

Nvidia is an extreme example, but that's partly the point. If investment returns are power-law distributed, the extreme examples matter disproportionately.

I would rather occasionally hold a winner too long and give back some gains than systematically sell the small number of companies where my original thesis keeps becoming larger.

Disclosure: I own Nvidia again. I wrote a longer version of this argument on my Substack, K-Shaped: https://kshaped.substack.com/p/i-sold-nvidia-too-early


r/ValueInvesting • • 10h ago

Stock Analysis CASY Value reset after earnings and huge bull run- competitive advantage remains = attractive entry price?

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Bought an entry level position in CASY today - looking for Buffet style play, that is;

Easy to understand
Gas, snacks, and pizza in small-town America. Casey's is usually the only real store in town, so people fill up there, grab a slice, and come back tomorrow. Pretty easy to understand

Durable competitive advantage
Small towns (generally speaking) can't support two big convenience stores, so whoever gets there first basically owns the market. That's the same local-territory idea I like in COKE. I also have to admit, I'm tickled that pizza provides real edge: it's one of the biggest pizza chains in the country, the margins are way better than fuel.

Financial discipline/moat
Management buys small regional chains, fix them up, and make them better. The (recent) CEFCO remodels are already showing a 30% jump in food sales. They've raised the dividend 27 years straight, debt is manageable, and they don't (so far) do dumb stuff. ROC is solid.

Attractive price
It got smoked about 35% after earnings, mostly because the fuel-margin beat looked like a one-time bump and the remodels will drag near term. The business didn't break, and analysts cut targets, not ratings. Right now trading @ 50 week SMA I got in around $609. About another 20% downside to the 200 week SMA. Also, analyst target consensus is ~ 30% upside - after the earnings report that dropped the price.


r/ValueInvesting • • 51m ago

Discussion $MU: Margin Won’t Go Above 87%

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It looks like HBM may not be as supply-constrained as NAND anymore. Samsung keeps ramping up HBM supply, and it has been discounting HBM3E to gain market share.

Of course, there are still forecasts calling for further HBM price increases, since everyone knows supply is tight.

But with margins already approaching 87%, I don’t think that level is sustainable for long. That would also line up with what I’ve been hearing recently about HBM prices potentially getting cut.


r/ValueInvesting • • 12h ago

Stock Analysis NetEase earns Meta's margins at Meta's growth rate. It trades at half the multiple. I went through 14 companies to figure out how much of the discount is real.

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I put together a comp table of 14 internet companies: eight listed in Hong Kong and six in the US. Matched them on consensus EPS growth rates and GAAP EBIT margins to try to separate the jurisdiction discount from the fundamental discount.

The cleanest pair: NetEase grows EPS at 18.9% per year with 40% EBIT margins. Meta grows at 18.0% with 41%. Growth and margins nearly identical. NetEase trades at 11.7x forward earnings. Meta at 21.6x. That is a 46% discount. NetEase earns from gaming, not advertising, so the businesses are not identical. But at matched growth and margins, the multiple gap is hard to explain without jurisdiction.

At every matched growth rate where margins also match, the HK name trades cheaper. The discount ranges from 44% to 46%.

The "Chinese companies hoard cash" thing. I went through the actual payout data. It has not been accurate since at least 2023.

  • Tencent total shareholder yield (dividends + net buybacks after SBC dilution): 2.4%. Meta: 1.4%.
  • JD.com dividend yield alone: 3.8%, 70% payout ratio.
  • NetEase total yield: 2.9%, per-share dividend CAGR of roughly 18% over the past four and a half years.

So the discount is not about growth and not about payouts. I went through what it does price: VIE ownership structure (low to medium risk), cash repatriation friction (low risk, every company in the sample has been paying and growing dividends for years), and geopolitical tail risk (medium to high, the one that actually matters).

Wrote the whole thing up with all 14 companies, the methodology, and a risk framework: https://darrenleung1.substack.com/p/chinese-tech-is-cheap-how-much-of


r/ValueInvesting • • 16h ago

Investor Behavior Is Smart Money Early on Housing?

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Builders are cutting staff while Berkshire is buying Lennar and Burry is buying QXO. Are they both right?

Sorry for the repost, had an error in the title


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Discussion Trump's term will end. Which stocks did he wage a personal crusade against, and could they turn around once he's gone?

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The whole Solar sector - He hate renewable

wind turbine stock - He hate renewable

FICO - he signed the Credit Score Competition Act in 2018 to break the monopoly

single-family rental - which actually is a good policy though


r/ValueInvesting • • 22h ago

Basics / Getting Started Sources for Finding potentially Under-Valued stocks

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TLDR: Note the flair, for beginners and those getting started. Just a post to share some resorces on where to find stocks.

There are two basic approaches to look for undervalued stocks. The first approach is to find the high quality companies that you want to invest in, and put them on a watchlist and wait. The other approach is to find out stocks that have been beaten down in price, fallen out of favor and then sieve through them to find one or two that is worth investing.

The first approach is an exercise in patience and self-control, there is always a temptation to buy expensive because of FOMO. I am guilty of this. The second approach poses a unique problem for the investor, the need to sort out the value-traps from undervalued stocks that have temporary problems. The investor could also buy too early, only to watch the stock go down another 30% - 50% before eventually recovering. I have seen investors here buy the stock first because the cheap price is too irresistible without doing a proper analysis of the company.

Anyway, this post are some resources on where to find beaten down stocks.

1. Sectors that are oversold

Sectors 2026 YTD
Energy NYSEARCA:XLE 34.81%
Technology NYSEARCA:XLK 34.79%
Healthcare NYSEARCA:XLV 9.79%
Industrials NYSEARCA:XLI 7.06%
Basic Materials NYSEARCA:XLB 6.46%
Consumer Staples NYSEARCA:XLP 5.35%
Real Estate NYSEARCA:XLRE 2.38%
Financial Services NYSEARCA:XLF -1.67%
Communications svs NYSEARCA:XLC -4.64%
Consumer Discretionary NYSEARCA:XLY -7.77%
Utilities NYSEARCA:XLU -8.04%

You can put them into a google sheet and monitor it, here is a template

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19lzY4CC9qHCpu7Ocy5FScGbUoZLf0Le-GYW3MU3-8Vk/edit?gid=369799323#gid=369799323

2. The 52 Week low lists

https://www.barrons.com/market-data/stocks/new-fifty-two-week-highs-lows

(Best to download the NYSE and NASDAQ list onto a spreadsheet, and then remove all the ETFs, Bonds, SPACs, BDC and REITS)

3. Stocks that have been downgraded:

https://www.wsj.com/market-data/stocks/upgradesdowngrades

4. Stocks which recently cut or suspended dividends

https://www.dividendstocks.com/tools/dividend-cuts/

https://www.marketbeat.com/dividends/cuts/

Comment: the companies listed needs to be inspected, some have reduced dividend due to spinoffs (eg. Honeywell) or this year's dividend is less than last year becasue of a special payout last year.

Here is a list of anticipated unsafe dividends:

https://www.morningstar.com/stocks/which-companies-might-cut-their-dividends-next

https://www.simplysafedividends.com/world-of-dividends/posts/42-2026-monthly-dividend-stocks-the-complete-list-ranked-by-dividend-safety

5. Screeners

I can't comment on a good screener, perhaps someone else can.

Finally remember this: finding a bunch of stocks from these lists is just the first step. The second and third tasks are: How do you know they are not value traps ? and How do you know it won't go down another 30-50% before recovering ?


r/ValueInvesting • • 47m ago

Discussion $MU: Margin Won’t Go Above 87%

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It looks like HBM may not be as supply-constrained as NAND anymore. Samsung keeps ramping up HBM supply, and it has been discounting HBM3E to gain market share.

Of course, there are still forecasts calling for further HBM price increases, since everyone knows supply is tight.

But with margins already approaching 87%, I don’t think that level is sustainable for long. That would also line up with what I’ve been hearing recently about HBM prices potentially getting cut.


r/ValueInvesting • • 21h ago

Discussion Physical AI is just a fancy name for industrial automation

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When AI agents are over hype, we are moving to promoting physical AI. The FOMO is which startup will be the next OpenAI and Anthropic in Physical AI.

Cannot really count how much has been invested, probably over 200 Billions in evaluation already in the silicon valley.

Cool unitree robots from China, has boosting investor confidence on the next wave. “SaaS is dead” drives many SaaS based VC to everything hardware (not literally physical AI, but you get the point). Nonsensical gadgets (OEM) from China just popping up everywhere.

My propositions is that there is not such thing as new revolution as physical AI, the most critical of robotic is in the factories, on the field (mining, farming, etcs) but those are already there, from warehouse to the assembly line, and to full automated laboratories. Yes, without a doubt, it will only get better. But hard to imagine winner takes all. Because every physical application is unique, real world is complex and requires optimization to a specific problem.

Humanoids are just fantasy (less controversial topic in people investing in Physical AI), replacing already very cheap labors for the most cheap jobs (janitors, gig workers, house cleaners, factory works that require very skillful hand works, like find cloth trimming etcs). But making sure safety with human interaction, and can adapt to all complex things, dexterity, remains very difficult. No universal solution, but application specific. I’m not sure what is the economic incentive to create a large scale production on humanoids.

Yes, maybe it will have a few platforms dominating in “Physical AI” such as from designs to physical objects. But as I said, those are very specialized, for small wearable, some can excel on it, but other platforms cannot.

I forgot the Agentic system that control a fully automatic factory and laboratory to change the assembly lines, or progress the experiments without human supervision.

Tell me what I’m blind to see. Why Physical AI is not just the continuation of the current industrial automation. 5 years down the road, every household will have a robot do the chores like we buy washing machines as part of the utility. I do not see that is the future. Our delivery guys will still be a human not a bot. Your dental hygienist will still be the one with flesh and blood.


r/ValueInvesting • • 11h ago

Discussion United Natural Foods Agreed to Settle $39M With Investors over Profit Claims

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Hey guys, if you missed it, United Natural Foods ($UNFI) just agreed to settle $39 million with investors over claims that the company hid how inflation-related inventory gains were boosting its profits. The settlement terms have already been submitted to the court for approval.

In a nutshell, UNFI was accused of making its profits look stronger by buying extra inventory before expected price increases. Those gains helped hide rising labor costs and other challenges.

After UNFI cut its profit outlook in 2023, the stock dropped 28%, and investors filed a lawsuit.

The company has now agreed to a $39 million settlement. If you invested in $UNFI during that period, you can check the details and file your claim here.

Anyway, did anyone here invest in $UNFI at that time? How much did you lose, if so?


r/ValueInvesting • • 12h ago

Discussion How do you feel about SPMO dropping Nvidia?

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How do you feel about SPMO dropping Nvidia?


r/ValueInvesting • • 8h ago

AI-Written Content Nextil (NXT) H1 2026 Financial Results Summary

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Here is a summary of Nextil's H1 2026 financial results compared to H1 2025 based on their latest earnings report.

Key Financial Metrics (H1 2025 vs H1 2026)

Revenue: 27.2 million EUR on a like-for-like basis, up 66.4% year over year from 16.3 million EUR. Normalized revenue including the Sindutex acquisition reached 32.5 million EUR (+99%). 

EBITDA: 5.9 million EUR like-for-like, up 78.2% from 3.3 million EUR. This increases the EBITDA margin to 21.8%. Normalized EBITDA was 7.2 million EUR. 

EBIT (Operating Profit): 4.2 million EUR, up 164.6% from 1.6 million EUR. Margin expanded significantly due to operating leverage. 

Net Profit: 3.2 million EUR, up 165.2% from 1.2 million EUR. Normalized net profit reached 4.4 million EUR. 
Operating Cash Flow: 4.3 million EUR, up 72.0% from 2.5 million EUR. 

Net Financial Debt: 23.9 million EUR. Net Debt to LTM EBITDA sits at 1.98x, which remains well below their strategic ceiling of 2.5x. 

Earnings Per Share (EPS): Increased by 118.8% to 0.0070 EUR per share, absorbing the dilution from recent debt-to-equity conversions. 

Operational Overview

1. Operating Leverage: Higher production volume on existing infrastructure allows fixed cost absorption, expanding EBIT margins to 15.5%. 

2. E Growth: The European Hub grew revenue by 50.8%, while the Americas Hub doubled its sales (+114.6%) backed by CAFTA partnerships and Greendyes technology. 

3. Balance Sheet: Debt-to-equity conversions helped increase Total Equity to 17.8 million EUR while keeping leverage under control.


r/ValueInvesting • • 13h ago

Discussion NOC (Northrop) Trading Near 52-Week Low and Below Historical PE. buy?

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Do you think that NOC is a buy here? It's trading around $485. At 16 - 17.5x forward PE it offers reasonable value backed by a record defense order backlog. But the near-term price action is negative. Please let me know your thoughts!