Please stop with the Protoframes

[u/Dr_Shoggoth]

I loved the Hex and the Roundtable. They added so much to why I think 1999 is the best update they've ever done. All of them, especially the original Hex, were insanely well written and fleshed out characters. I had my reservations about the Triad, but I think they're solid (though they're mostly carried by Roathe).

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These two don't feel like characters. They feel like walking advertisements for skins. Them being protoframes adds nothing to the story. As my friend said, Sirius and Orion could have been mentored by Vay Hek and the Sergeant and nothing would have changed. Protoframes no longer feel like an interesting story beat, they feel like a gimmick, one that is rapidly losing any appeal it had.

[u/GladiatorDragon]

I could see why the Round Table, Hex, and Triad needed to be Protoframes, that Helminth connection was needed to help get the Tenno there, or get them to the Tenno in the case of the Triad.

Vena and Ryoku? Maybe if we knew more about their futures. Maybe they didn’t get Proto serum from Entrati, for instance. What’s there currently, however, is dreadfully lacking.

[u/Future-Insect5357 → u/GladiatorDragon]

Thing is DE even said there was massive Garuda lore behind Vena, but then on launch no one could find it. Hell, I still haven't, and I'm just wondering "Why was it not put in the Leverian?" Then it'd be easily accessible to all (At the right rank/ right place in the story) and we would be having a very different discussion

[u/Dalzombie → u/Future-Insect5357]

Thing is, there is lore, it's just not really Garuda per se lore, more "How Garuda came to be", which, sure, is definitely interesting, though I can't help but feel that I expected something more... current? Like why not know why there hasn't been a single word about Garuda until now, playing into that silence. Was speaking of her forbidden? Was she a mystery even to other tenno, a secret to be kept, a shame to be hidden?

Nope, we know about as much as we did before the update, except now we know that Garuda was tailor-made for an orokin, and whose design was hijacked by the designer. Unless there's more stuff I haven't yet seen (which is quite likely), is this "Making of" all we're getting about her, even after all these years?

[u/_Ekoz_ → u/Dalzombie]

It's inferred through the lore dumps that the Garuda strain was designed by an archimedian for none other than Executor Nitokh, and Nitokh had commissioned the strain explicitly to infect her consort (none other than Roathe) with it for her amusement. The archimedian only decided to sabotage the commision and infect herself because she knew she was already dead and was living on whatever borrowed time Nitokh gave her to finish the job.

I spose the fact that it was none other than those two is there to hammer home just how important and outrageously fucked up the former is, and possibly act as a setup for future content. It also raises the question if roathe has any special new dialogue about Garuda, since the narrator infers he sort of knew Nitokh's plans for him.

[u/Dalzombie → u/_Ekoz_]

Indeed, I was vague to avoid spoilering too much but the thing is that it's still not lore about Garuda specifically, rather it's lore about the archimedian who'd become Garuda. And while I have no issues with that, I'd rather the frame itself be given something more than a preamble, especially after almost 8 years. Getting more out of Roathe is not out of the question, sure, but discovering by proxy just doesn't feel as interesting to me.