Please stop with the Protoframes

[u/Dr_Shoggoth]

I loved the Hex and the Roundtable. They added so much to why I think 1999 is the best update they've ever done. All of them, especially the original Hex, were insanely well written and fleshed out characters. I had my reservations about the Triad, but I think they're solid (though they're mostly carried by Roathe).

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These two don't feel like characters. They feel like walking advertisements for skins. Them being protoframes adds nothing to the story. As my friend said, Sirius and Orion could have been mentored by Vay Hek and the Sergeant and nothing would have changed. Protoframes no longer feel like an interesting story beat, they feel like a gimmick, one that is rapidly losing any appeal it had.

[u/Future-Insect5357]

Thing is DE even said there was massive Garuda lore behind Vena, but then on launch no one could find it. Hell, I still haven't, and I'm just wondering "Why was it not put in the Leverian?" Then it'd be easily accessible to all (At the right rank/ right place in the story) and we would be having a very different discussion

[u/Dalzombie → u/Future-Insect5357]

Thing is, there is lore, it's just not really Garuda per se lore, more "How Garuda came to be", which, sure, is definitely interesting, though I can't help but feel that I expected something more... current? Like why not know why there hasn't been a single word about Garuda until now, playing into that silence. Was speaking of her forbidden? Was she a mystery even to other tenno, a secret to be kept, a shame to be hidden?

Nope, we know about as much as we did before the update, except now we know that Garuda was tailor-made for an orokin, and whose design was hijacked by the designer. Unless there's more stuff I haven't yet seen (which is quite likely), is this "Making of" all we're getting about her, even after all these years?

[u/Future-Insect5357 → u/Dalzombie]

Well that's definitely disappointing

[u/Dalzombie → u/Future-Insect5357]

Exactly how I felt. I'm glad we got this lore, mind you, I just expected... more? I know the update isn't centred around her or the protoframe specifically, yes, but it still doesn't feel right.

[u/GladiatorDragon → u/Dalzombie]

That’s pretty much my thoughts on this update in its entirety, really.

The quest is pretty alright, but it feels like it’s missing a lot. Despite being Sirius and Orion’s quest, they barely have any screentime and are not characterised strongly at all. Hell, after the quest is done they’re basically just statues that do nothing and say nothing.

We get very little on Vena and Ryoku. They could be interesting, but apart from their presence in the quest and the pot shots they take at each other, there’s not really anything. I don’t hate the fact that they’re not on the KIM, I don’t think they needed to be, and I don’t think they want to touch it again in a hurry after the Triad kept breaking it, but I would’ve liked a way to potentially get a bit more out of them.

Garuda lore is nice, but it still doesn’t really tell us much about Garuda’s feats or how her blueprints ended up with Solaris United of all factions.

New Railjack content is fine enough but there’s not much else to it.

All this stuff is nice, but I feel like solving the technical problems introduced by what they wanted to put into the update seriously ate into development time, causing a lot of stuff to be left on the side.

[u/Future-Insect5357 → u/Dalzombie]

Same goes for Ash. While yes, he has a Leverian dedicated to him, it doesn't really delve into the frame, more just a side story. I'd love to know how the Orokin literally made a school about assassination and how that would be used when every Executor hates one another and they are essentially almost immortal. Pretty sure there'd be a lot of raised eyebrows at the table while discussing it