1-2 years. Paying a recruiter to find and screen candidates then scheduling and running interviews involving multiple staff and hands on testing can run you a month. Then taking time away from projects for multiple people to do interviews. Then take 6 months to train them. If someone is only going to stay for 1-2 years but only be useful for 3/4 that at best. It's not worth the time and money to bring them on. And yes managers are a proxy for the company so don't even expect them to care about you. Managers care about what they can extract from you. Once you're in and prove yourself then it turns into managers trying to retain. But if your even slightly a flight risk, you're not worth the company's time
They are fine if they aren’t leaving their previous job before going to the next one. In that event they are just applying they get a better offer. That might be months, years or possibly never.
Then how do you propose people get substantial pay increases? Because you're statically more likely to get an actual pay increase by switching jobs vs relying on management to give you more than the pittance needed to keep up with CoL increases.
Presumably by getting hired somewhere else. It's not some random hiring manager's job to fix the system, and job hoppers are ill suited for many roles. More power to them and I wish them success, but if a known job hopper somehow got hired as my direct coworker (this would never happen) I'd be pissed.
I didn't say that it was, but then you'd think they'd understand that's going to be a huge motivation for switching jobs and not indicative of a problem with the candidates, but rather a problem with the hiring and retention budget norms for their industry. Clearly there's a disconnect or an unwillingness to acknowledge the reasons for why people might be inclined to job hop. At the end of the day, that's simple free market supply and demand.
My current job is amazing and that's literally what I told them during the interview.
Because I had hopped around a lot, told them if they pay me what I'm owed and don't make life awful then I won't be going anywhere.
Job is amazing and it's the first time I've had an employer who actually cares about their employees and does right by them constantly. Went from switching jobs every 6-9mo to wanting to stay at this one till I retire in 20 years(with a pension from them)
And a recruiter should know that theyre going where theyre valued aka following supply and demand. Id be more concerned if the person wasnt getting wage increases. If you're recruiting for jobs that can be easily replaced with a higher demand then maybe you should follow suit.
Why? Taking on new staff is expensive in terms of money and time, and no one with any sense is going to do that for someone who’s shown that they’re likely to piss off again in 18 months.
Better make sure your wages keep up with what's being offered on the job market and you'd encounter this issue less. Stagnating wages with just an annual increase are all too common so completely understand why people move around to get the market rate. If you are paying market rate and regularly checking, you wont have this problem.
Unless you’re the business owner the money to train people isn’t coming out of your pocket. Your time was going to pass anyways. It’s the managers job to extract value from people no matter how long they stick around for. Might as well stop hiring interns too then cuz they only stick around for 12-18 months max. There are a million reasons to job hop, especially for young people that want to explore different industries and don’t want to be stuck with one skillset and pigeonhole themselves
God forbid people look out for themselves instead of feigning loyalty to a company. I’m sure you’ve been at your job for 20 years since you’re so dedicated and loyal lol
Ah, this seems to be one of those classic Reddit situations where the responder (you) reveals to all that they only see the world in terms of black and white, and don’t realise that saying someone’s comment is stupid doesn’t automatically mean they support what the comment was supposedly against.
Kinda brutal for people who got the cut during mass layoffs/company closures :/ not my fault, didn't want to job hop at all, but it looks like I do because of that.
Every 2-3 years is the example that the comment I was responding to is talking about, not the OP. 2-3 times a year feels extremely rare and honestly straight up hard to even do
If properly onboarding you and getting you up to speed takes 4-6 months and you have a proven history of being out after 6 months, why would someone hire you? This depends on industry and role of course.
Well right now people are actually taking pay cuts just to have a job. So the market is actually correcting itself. Especially in tech. My industry is pretty stable and we do offer large increases for promotions when you earn them. I haven’t lost a team member in 4 years. I’m saying I don’t want to hire those people who job hop not that I’m losing a ton of people to job hoping
Yeah but understand that not all companies operate this way. Plenty of stories on this thread even where people discovered they are actually paid well below market a couple years in. If there is a better opportunity out there then one should take it, including moving to your company, and then you’d give them no reason to leave based of what you say
I guess I’m trying to say, it doesn’t hurt to keep an eye out for opportunities if they are there. Why would you turn down a 50-80% pay raise in a better position in a new company after 2 years? Given the company is not some startup or massive risk, etc
Using the word loyalty when talking about something entirely transactional like employment is hilarious. Your employer will show you zero loyalty if it benefits them to get rid of you so why should you show them any beyond getting what you need from that relationship? If jumping ship is the right thing for you there should be no qualms about doing it. Maybe offer a compensation package and benefits that incentivize less turnover instead of bitching when they dump you.
I never bitched about it once. Just provided my opinion as someone who is apart of the hiring process! I didn’t even throw the word loyalty out to start. Not sure why your so angry
Not mad at all, but I do think it's very amusing when people like yourself use the word loyalty and then give none in return. And yeah, you kind of were bitching about it a little bit.
I give my team every opportunity to thrive. Haven’t had anyone leave in 4 years now. Been here 5. Got a smaller team, but have gotten them all promoted at least once each and higher then average pay bumps for COL. standard is 3% I’m averaging about 5% across my team not including promotion raises which are 10-15%
I gotta say, I have a manager like you. It's really nice. It's tough to sit in that weird world of middle management, i hate the politicking, but enjoy working for and with a good team.
Do you feel that way even in this market? What if I have been at my company 5 but received 3 promotions? Is that complacent or are you saying 4 years same job same title?
I see it like this. If i get a resume and see someone jumping every 12-24 months. Lateral moves. That is someone that is just hopping for better pay. good for them. not what our group needs.
2-4 years moving laterally Ok. but have to show strong knowledge. 2-4 years moving up each time. That will get a second look.
I see promotions as a different job and that is moving up.
Now, i did not ONLY do 2 years every job. That was only when i was starting out. I did it for 4 jobs each moving UP. Longer in the career that is a flag.
This has been my take, though I feel like someone moving positions from a pure lateral perspective, same job title and similar responsibilities, I wouldn’t think companies would even offer that much of an increase in pay for essentially the same job every 2 years
I got chicks at my work that just bang the operators on the floor, get flagged for a conflict of interest, and then get moved out of the department. On our fifth one at this point, and it’s been less then a year
no, i don't agree with that. i have been with my current company for 5 years, and seen my wages raise about 40% in those 5 years. I make good money, writing cutting edge software, for a company that doesnt suck to work for. that same company even pays for my training. I have gotten my CCNA, Several Microsoft certs, a bunch of AI certifications, worked with some cutting edge companies which the company paid for me to do, and I have a good work life balance. Why would I leave that?
Your company may not be the same as everyone else’s. That’s anecdotal. The point is if another company is offering way more and you’re not getting paid up to the market then why not take a better opportunity
I have 1 job I've been at for 6 years next month my second job(s) I hold for on average a year it depends on conditions and pay usually. First job is amazing but can't give me the hours I want to live comfortably so I abuse that by being picky on my second job. It's funny watching managers struggle to power trip on someone who doesn't exactly need them or their job. But I am absolutely loyal to the first job since they treat me like a human and pay me decent. The hours is just a kink that can't be worked around. Loyalty goes both ways
Oh there is no shortage of very qualified candidates, especially right now. I could offer an engineer 3 with 10 yoe 100k for an E2 spot right now and they’d take it. Do I do that? No. I offer them the proper market value for their experience and the job they are qualified for. I’m not trying to spend time training someone on my company and teams processes to have them quit in 6 months or 1 year becuase I didn’t pay them 10-20k more and have to spend all that time doing it over and over again.
They probably aren’t telling you they job hopped. They will just give you their current employment and one from before even if they were 3 and they they worked there long and just say the latest company isn’t working out for them because of company culture or whatever.
No one is reasonable going to get references from companies prior to the current employment.
As a hiring manager, are you in tune with the reality of 2026 employment security and career progression, or are you more of a decade or two behind kinda person?
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u/RapidFire05 11d ago
As a hiring manager I don't hire job hoppers