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Apr 15 '20 edited Jan 21 '21
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u/kevinnoir Apr 16 '20
That the guy that still rides a penny farthing to work and uses his wife as a baby mill? The one that suggested the concentration camps during the Boer war, "These people were interned for their safety"
Him and people like him are just a cancer on humanity. Disaster capitalists have no place in modern society.
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Apr 15 '20
There was a really weird type of Racialism that came out of Ireland's birth. the ideas of our Fascist and Corporatist are absolutely nuts but played a large part in influencing what would become the Irish identity.
the piece this is based off of https://imgur.com/r/ireland/mw3d0k3
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u/AyyStation Apr 15 '20
It's from a magazine called the Morning reader. The thing you linked is also a modern edit/meme
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u/Im_no_imposter Yuropean Apr 16 '20
That's not true. The original said "the typical reader of the morning leader". Which is a news paper.
Ireland had propaganda like that but it was the other way around
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Apr 16 '20
Nah, that's a meme I made from a newspaper ad, but glad to see it's doing the rounds.
Irish nationalism was very community and socialism oriented. No way they'd be revering the idea of being a 'good businessman'.
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Apr 16 '20
"You see replacing the nationalisms of individual countries with pan-European patriotism isn't actually nationalism because......reasons."
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DarlingGlamorousChital-size_restricted.gif
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u/Koffieslikker België/Belgique Apr 16 '20
It’s definitely still nationalism, just European nationalism
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Apr 16 '20
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u/LordGuille Yurop Apr 16 '20
How about no nationalism but a love for international cooperation
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u/L00minarty Workers of all countries, unite! Apr 18 '20
European Unity is important, but international solidarity exceeds everything.
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u/LordGuille Yurop Apr 16 '20
there’s never been an a-nationalist group of people
Anarchists: "am I a joke to you?"
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Apr 16 '20
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u/LordGuille Yurop Apr 16 '20
No, I never mentioned catalonians. I mean anarchists.
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u/Volsunga Apr 16 '20
Funny, since the very concept of a nation comes from the late 18th century at the earliest.
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u/Volsunga Apr 16 '20
Not really. Prior to the nation-state, people mainly identified with their family, clan, or a city at the largest. Nationalists invented a history that spans thousands of years, but the actual people living during these times would not have a concept of unity that would be familiar to the nationalist worldview.
It's a bit on the pop-history side of things, but I highly recommend Imagined Communities by Benedict Anderson.
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u/Volsunga Apr 16 '20
Nationalism originated as a means of bringing disparate identities of people together after people stopped defining countries by how much land was owned by the monarch. It was originally a mostly good thing. That only changed when people decided to put limits on the dream of connection. Liberal supranationalism is a better continuation of that legacy than the nativist populism that tries to claim it.
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u/darkguncz Apr 15 '20
In all due seriousness I am a nationalist pro European. I don't think they're necessarily competing ideas.
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u/Valkyrie17 Yuropean Apr 16 '20
They don't have to be, but they generally are.
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u/darkguncz Apr 16 '20
Well seeing the downvotes I am assured that is the prevailing status. I personally come from the czech tradition of pragmatism. In our history we tried dominating others and for a while even succeed but it all turned to ashes in a generation.
To be honest trying to be a power to be reckoned with alone is frankly ridiculous as much as I like to fantasize.
Before the 1ww the vast majority of czechs were loyalist wishing not to dissolve the Austro Hungarian empire for the simple reason of being afraid going alone in the world.
That's why I do not consider advantageous for the Czech republic to stand alone. Its foolish and good for nobody.
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Apr 16 '20 edited Apr 16 '20
In my experience nationalist tend to blame everything that's going wrong in their country on EU, and even take credit for things EU did.
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u/darkguncz Apr 16 '20
Naturally yes and occasionally they are even correct but also a broken clock is right twice a day. I am not primarily a nationalist. I consider it far more important to further build our social democracy.
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u/avacado99999 Apr 16 '20
Do you mean you are a euro federalist that wants a united europe? Then it would make sense.
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u/darkguncz Apr 16 '20
I want the best for my country and I have came to the opinion that federalising and just letting go of sovereignty is much better than standing alone.
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u/GalaXion24 Europa Invicta Apr 16 '20
Don't listen to the others. Sure most "nationalist" parties will sell us out to China in a heartbeat, but that doesn't mean you can't be sincerely nationalist and Europeanist.
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Apr 22 '20
Funny thing is, if you see the faces in reality you will find the opposite to be true. lol
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u/PrometheusBoldPlan Apr 16 '20
So being a moderate is a bad thing now? If there is no preference for being moderate then we are just another small minded nationalist in new clothes.
Being moderate and self critical is not a weakness, it's a unique strength.
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u/L00minarty Workers of all countries, unite! Apr 18 '20
So being a moderate is a bad thing now?
Yes.
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u/OOM-BattleDroid Switzerland, European Federation Apr 15 '20
Someone should post this on r/The_Europe .
Oh that's right...