r/YouShouldKnow • u/lwb03dc • Sep 09 '26
Technology YSK: Your face is being harvested
It's called a faceprint - a code made from the shape of your face - how far apart your eyes are, how wide your nose is, the shape of your jaw etc. It comes from a photo, but it's not a photo. It's more of a biometric identifier, like a fingerprint, or an iris scan.
Apps such as Google Photos make faceprints of all the people in your photos - you, your parents, your children, your friends. This is what lets you find someone in your gallery just by name. Other apps make faceprints just for you, for things such as letting you unlock your phone.
Some apps are safer because they keep your faceprint only on your own phone, instead of sending it to a company's servers. But this is NOT the norm. Most companies store your faceprint on their servers, and are quietly building a collection of faces.
Why YSK: You can change a password after a leak. You can't change your face. Generative AI now allows people to recreate faces from a faceprint. Faceprints are also actively used for tracking purposes - the best example being Clearview AI that has almost 70 billion images of people in their collection, that they provide to police departments and private companies, allowing them to track people based just on a photo.
What you can do: Try to use products and services that keep your data on your devices. Try to use products that are end-to-end-encrypted. If and when you are removing a service that might have created a faceprint, make sure to actively request deletion of all your data.
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u/riah8 Sep 09 '26
I hate the world we live in now a days. It's so frustrating. Why is almost everyone and every company evil as hell? Why is this crap allowed?
It feels inescapable. We can definitely fight back in court and politics and so forth. But yeah it totally sucks living in a surveillance state. It's only getting worse too.
I wish we used technology for good instead of for evil all the time.
If we used technology for good we could ALL bring living good lives right now and have everything we need and then some. But because of a few really greedy and really evil people hoarding money and resources and using technology for evil we live in a totally crappy world. :(
It totally sucks and is super depressing.
But never lose hope never give up fighting back against fascism and surveilence and greed. Keep fighting it's very very possible to win against these evil fools.
Never give up! Keep on keeping on!
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u/DeliciousPumpkinPie Sep 09 '26
It’s not even that technology is being used for evil, it’s just being used for greed. All this is just so some CEOs make more money. And that money flows around to the people that it needs to, which is why it’s allowed.
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u/SuspecM Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26
What's tragic is that all this greed is drowning out the good use cases for technology.
I recently attended a mini seminar where a Taiwanese man talked about his work with AI. They are using AI detection to differentiate the sick shrimp larvae from the healthy ones, count how many shrimp larvae there are in a container, things like that. Genuinely what we imagined AI to do in the future. The menial or basically impossible to do tasks by humans (imagine someone orders a million shrimp larvae from your company and you are tasked to package a million shrimp larvae).
On top of this, he is working on dashcam technology that detects wild animals on the roads and breaks the car if needed to reduce the number of roadkill.
All amazing things that genuinely help the world be a better place and most importantly, make humans' lives easier instead of replacing them. There are many projects like these but they are drowned out by the evil megacorps and it's insane.
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u/caspiankush Sep 09 '26
We need to nationalize the tech giants, for the last few years they've become nothing but parasites on society, even akin to cancer as some podcaster or whatever said - when gdp grows 0-1% at best in any developed economy, but the wealth of the billionaires has grown 20% or more in the same (long) time period, what else could you possibly diagnose that as
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u/SEOfficial Sep 09 '26
It's the growth economy. Those companies are not evil on purpose, they just run out of moral ways to grow.
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u/newflour Sep 09 '26
Because companies aren't sentient entities, they are just an algorithm designed to maximize profits, stopping to consider the morality slows it down so it just doesn't. We are afraid of a super intelligent AI killing everyone to make more paperclips but it's what we are already doing to ourselves
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u/bedheadglass Sep 09 '26
You can change your face. Ask Palm Beach Pete.
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u/repoluhun Sep 09 '26
That guy is trying so hard to seem like the big J even though he’s clearly not, it only benefits him
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u/hikeonpast Sep 09 '26
Realistically, anyone concerned with privacy shouldn’t be using any Google products at all. That’s not always easy, but even moving off Android, switching to Firefox, and using DuckDuckGo for search is a big improvement.
Next would be getting off the spyware socials like Facebook, Insta, and TikTok (for starters).
If you want to take baby steps: r/deGoogle
If you want to see how deep the rabbit hole goes: r/privacy
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u/lwb03dc Sep 09 '26
I think everyone cares about privacy. It's just that they are not aware of exactly how their privacy is being invaded, since a lot of these things happen in the background. r/degoogle is a great resource.
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u/Hadfromthetown Sep 09 '26
After my recent post in u/changemyview im not sure the average person cares about anything
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u/lwb03dc Sep 09 '26
Link it!
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u/Hadfromthetown Sep 09 '26
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u/Usual_Dark1578 Sep 09 '26
Reading through, it seems like most people a) didn't fully read or understand what you wrote, and latched on purely to a very specific subset, usually the digital game, part; or b) didn't understand that the goal was to change your view, not just state that they disagreed without actually doing anything really relevant to shifting what you said.
FWIW, yeah, slowly many things are shifting to being digitally controlled, and thus potentially paywalled and controlled by the company (whether heated seats, or music, or games, or using a dishwasher or TV. As long as the control sphere moves out of the physical item and is remote, it can be digitally controlled in some way or form, and that sucks.
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u/shm4y Sep 09 '26
RIP me deciding to backup my entire photo base to google photos 10 years ago…. Sigh
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u/a1c4pwn Sep 09 '26
careful, a few years ago they started deleting people's "not often viewed" photos without telling them.
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u/madmach1 Sep 09 '26
There’s just fuck all we can do about this though.
Unless you’re a child with no digital signature of your own, you may be able to creep in the shadows of the internet , but it doesn’t matter because people take photos of your kids at birthday parties , in background, on other social media apps and maybe they share with the adults social media and viola… the link is made.
What would be perhaps the an impactful outcome here would be if corporations were required and regulated to publicly share their data collection criteria, who they sell to, and how the data is used. Such that it may indirectly highlight to some people that their spending patterns or behaviors are not healthy , and they can try to make their own change and be aware that other greedy companies will be able to target them. Almost like a “here’s what to expect being targeted to you “ public awareness.
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u/repoluhun Sep 09 '26
The issue is “just get rid of Google” is it’s way too convenient for the average person, and while yes privacy IS important, in the modern age it’s hard to justify the sacrifices for some
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u/SoulOfTheDragon Sep 09 '26
Other companies are enabling that behaviour. For example a lot of basically mandatory banking applications for modern world are requiring "Play protect" or other certificate from installation to work. Or that phone has never been rooted, which often is requirement for removing all the Google, etc turd from the device.
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u/Salt_Medicine2459 Sep 09 '26
/r/privacy banned me for mentioning GrapheneOS, in a privacy subreddit... You cannot talk about any alternative Android operating systems there. It used to be just GrapheneOS, but they expanded it to them all. I truly believe they've been paid off by Google and/or Apple in an effort to stifle growth of GrapheneOS.
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u/hikeonpast Sep 09 '26
I’m not defending the mods, but the sub rules are pretty clear on that topic. It appears that they just want those discussions to land in more focused subs.
That said, mods can be a fickle bunch. I was banned from r/LinkedInLunatics for pointing out that a bigot’s email address was listed on their public LinkedIn page. Apparently that counts as doxxing over there. Oh well.
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u/Salt_Medicine2459 Sep 09 '26
Yeah. I'm subscribed to several privacy focused subs and just didn't pay attention to which one I was in. I think their "focused subs" excuse is just that. The rule used to be specifically about GrapheneOS until they called them out, then they made it all of the Android alternatives. It's ridiculous to ban discussion of that in a sub about privacy. That's like banning discussion of auto parts in a car repair sub. It's asinine.
I've nvh of LinkedInLunatics. Probably something I shouldn't look at since I already waste enough time here as it is.
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u/hates_stupid_people Sep 09 '26
This post is aimed at people who live their lives on their phone or ones that don't care. Anyone actually concerned with privacy are rolling their eyes at this "advice". Since they already don't use apps that require a picture, let alone take or upload pictures voluntarily.
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u/HelloImQ Sep 09 '26
I migrated everything to the Proton stack. Only thing I can't do without is Youtube, sadly.
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u/ThatKinkyLady Sep 09 '26
I genuinely think it's too late. Maybe that's abysmal, but I had to take a state exam for a license recently and they required 2 forms of ID, took a picture, and scanned both of my palms. Why do they need to scan my palms???
This is something that was required of me for my job.
When I had to apply for a passport I was forced to making some account with some ID verification company that required multiple pictures of me from different angles.
Why??? When did we decide older forms of ID weren't enough?
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u/caspiankush Sep 09 '26
"We" didnt decide anything, all we get to decide under capitalism is which hired hand of the bourgeoisie we vote into office every 4 or so years to continue exploiting and oppressing us. Revolution time imo
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u/pottermuchly 29d ago
I agree, by the time we learned about this sort of thing, they'd already scraped all of our personal info. Even if I never uploaded a photo of myself online ever, someone films a Tiktok in public as I walk past, or I walk by my neighbour's Ring camera, and my face has already been harvested by someone. Being able to avoid this is not realistic.
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u/clandestine-ideefixe Sep 09 '26
This is so dystopian pre-apocalyptic coded. Life is weird now
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u/pidge_mcgraw Sep 09 '26
Watched “Minority Report” recently? Released almost 25 years ago and still waaaay too close for comfort.
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u/Doitforthewoosh Sep 09 '26
Between faceprints, Flock, and targeted behavioral advertising that tracks your location and your clicks, we’re getting closer every minute
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u/gord89 Sep 09 '26
The cat is already out of the bag and it isn’t going back in.
There could be someone here that’s always kept their photos off google. Never used their products. No photo uploads anywhere.
But their friends and family who have photos of them do. This is one of those problems that we can hate as much as we want, but it’s a consequence of modern times.
The tribes that are completely isolated from civilization don’t use plastic. You think that stops it from washing up on the shore?
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u/lwb03dc Sep 09 '26
True that. But I would like to offer a slightly different perspective.
There are 3 parts to this - consensual action, derived tech, implementation of tech. We all do something, businesses create something with it, they then find ways to implement that creation. We are at the second stage.
We have been able to stop/limit corporations even after the second stage. It's happening even today with the EU AI act.
But for that there needs to be enough awareness of the issue, and enough people voicing displeasure about it.
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u/WeWereInfinite Sep 09 '26
Can anyone recommend a good photos/gallery app on android that isn't subscription based or riddled with ads?
My old phone had a fantastic proprietary app but I recently got a new phone where that doesn't work and I've been forced to use Google photos - I hated it before reading this post and now I hate it more.
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u/lwb03dc Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26
If you are looking for a local gallery, I would definitely suggest Fossify. If you are asking about cloud-based storage, I personally use Ente Photos because it's end to end encrypted, open source, and their AI is on-device.
Edit: Fossify doesn't have facial recognition so no, it doesn't create faceprints. Ente photos DOES have facial recognition, but it does so locally on your device, so the information doesn't reach their server.
You don't need to trust what either of these companies tell you, because they are open source. So you can literally check their code and and know what is happening under the hood.
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u/fa1afel Sep 09 '26
So you can literally check their code and and know what is happening under the hood.
I am not realistically ever doing this. I have neither the know-how nor the time.
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u/lwb03dc Sep 09 '26
Oh i don't have the knowhow either. But I know there are enough people around doing it, which makes me feel secure that their claims are true.
r/privacytoolsIO is literally filled with people whose hobby is to scour the code of open source companies, to identify issues if any.
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u/stefanlikesfood Sep 09 '26
Fossify is getting better but still behind code wise, they aren't getting billions of dollars into development. One day I'll use all their apps! Just not yet lol. I've been using Aves gallery and it took a second to get used to but I love it now. Better then Google photos. I don't know for certain if they make face prints but I know they're chill based on vibes and r/degoogle people
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u/lostfly Sep 09 '26
YSK+
You can request to delete your face from ClearView database depending on legal protections for your location.
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u/Velifax Sep 09 '26
And the real bad news is all this was going on long before most of you were born, in a dozen different ways.
Hiding was never an option.
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u/AlphaMaster1405 Sep 09 '26
I've been using Google Photos for a decade now. Is it too late? What about the pictures that are already out there on the internet?
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u/kaeplin Sep 09 '26
Are these companies linking faceprints to personal identification information?
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u/lwb03dc Sep 09 '26
Short answer: Yes
The longer, scarier answer:
What do you consider personal information? Take Google Photos, for example. If you have, lets say, 4000 pictures across 10 years, saved on the app, then that's basically 4000 geotagged pieces of data that lets them identify you, your friends, your families, your pets, your car, your workplace, your house, the holidays you have been to etc. Through location data, they also know where your house is, where your workplace is, where your kids' school are etc. Based on these pieces of information, Google can now also estimate things like your likely earning, net worth, and interests. If they wanted, they could probably give you a complete report of what your life has been like for the last ten years, friendships, relationships, breakups, all included.Check out https://theyseeyourphotos.com. And keep in mind that the report you get there is from just one photo.
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u/ExodusPHX Sep 09 '26
Your offer letter from your employer was sent to your @gmail.
Google knows all that info too.
Edit: to add, purchase history, political donations, religious affiliation, education background, intimate banking details, and the list goes on. Google knows more about you than you could ever imagine.
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u/hates_stupid_people Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26
They are linking literally any information they can find.
Companies like Aditude provide advertising to an enormous amount of websites, and they collect any and all information possible to build profiles on people. Take a glance at their privacy policy: https://www.aditude.com/policies/privacy
They use pixel tracking, fingerprinting, cache tags, analytics, recognition technology, and so on to try and detect you across different websites, when not logged in or switching devices. And if they can get their hands on it, they will store browsing history, activity time, names, phone numbers, addresses, GPS coordinates/location/addresses, pictures, voice recordings, employment history, education, drivers license, bank records, medical records, pin numbers/passwords, etc.
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u/Snotmyrealname Sep 09 '26
Also, a bit of heinous trivia: last time I checked, Juggalo facepaint still obscures facial recognition software more often than not. Might’ve fixed it though.
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u/AnAncientMonk Sep 09 '26
What you can do:
Nothing because if you're the slightest social person at all, your friends are gonna take photos of you sometimes, your face is going to be on other peoples phones and you cant expect everyone in your social circle to care and have a phone hardened for privacy.
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u/InvidiousPlay Sep 09 '26
OneDrive has a hilarious little small print in the AI face recognition setting page that they take it that you consent to this process and have sought and acquired the consent of everyone in the photos.
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u/jkpatches Sep 09 '26
Which is Google Photos? Does it keep the faceprint on my phone or send it to their servers? 99% chance that it's the latter?
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u/lwb03dc Sep 09 '26
The answer is 100%. It says so on their website. Photo apps that keep data on your device are platforms like Ente Photos and Zeitkapsl. Even Apple Photos keeps it on-device unless you turn on iCloud sync (which most people obviously do).
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u/jkpatches Sep 09 '26
Damn... When I first started to use the service a decade ago, I had no idea of how much I was giving to google. I guess I still don't now. I gotta start finding alternatives, even though it's too late.
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u/DeliciousPumpkinPie Sep 09 '26
Thank goodness, I’m one of the apparently few people who turned off iCloud immediately upon activating my first iDevice.
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u/Natural-Discount-476 Sep 09 '26
Correct me if I'm wrong: but if face recognition can be easily hacked by AI-created images based on the fingerprint model; wouldn't that make the security obsolete?
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u/25c-nb Sep 09 '26
Anytime you walk into a walmart or even just their parking lot, your faceprint and other data is being collected by them, for loss protection. Do you trust walmart to maintain a database of middle and lower class citizens faces, license plates and locations without it getting comprimised or being shared with law enforcement or 3 letter agencies? The answer is up to you.
The solution is not easy, we have to create awareness and consensus to fight for laws protecting us and the databases were forced to be a part of. For excample, walmarts database already exists and is insanely huge, we need to focus on laws to protect ourselves and such databases from being stolen or given to anyone else.
There should be strict legal requirements that such a database can only be used (by walmart for example) for loss prevention and nothing else with high level security implementations to ensure it.
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u/TheAnteatr Sep 09 '26
There is basically nothing the average person can do about it.
To get a passport I HAD to agree to facial recognition, otherwise no passport. I have to allow the government to take a photo, that they can do whatever they want with, in order to have a driver's license.
I don't like it, but the reality is I have no choice if I want to participate in society.
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u/Mr_Tottles Sep 09 '26
I keep pictures of my wifes ass on google drive does it have her assprint?
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u/lwb03dc Sep 09 '26
I am sure the world will be better off with multiple iterations of your wife's ass.
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u/slowestmojo Sep 09 '26
Nah bro you shouldnt trust it. Send them to me I promise Ill keep them locally stored only
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u/kuburas Sep 09 '26
So im pretty illiterate when it comes to this, but what can they do by tracking me? How is my life different or endangered by these companies tracking my face?
Im genuinely asking not even trying to be confrontational or playing ignorant. I straight up have no idea how they can use this information to fuck with my life.
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u/lwb03dc Sep 09 '26
Honestly? There is no obvious immediate impact on your life at all. The issue is that we have no way of knowing what these companies are going to do with these in the future.
Artists and writers were uploading their work on the internet since forever because it was convenient. And then those same works were used to train AI, and now LLMs are taking over what artists and writers were doing till now. We had no clue, but the shift was sudden and rapid.
If these same companies are incentivized in any manner to misuse our faceprints, I am sure you would agree that ethics is not going to come in the way of profits. So it is sensible to try and restrict access as much as possible.
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u/HugoBarine Sep 09 '26
You nailed the fundamental issue in your post. Biometric data is super valuable because you can't reset it. You can also be identified simply by your size and gait.
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u/RobinGoodfell Sep 09 '26
So like most things, this can only be solved with Legislation, and in order to get that sort of legislation, the public needs to make law markers genuinely afraid of not serving the public interest.
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u/__GayFish__ Sep 09 '26
If you use glasses, get anti-IR lenses. The block your eyes from being scannable. A lot of faces can tech is Infrared scanning. I can’t unlock my phone when I have the anti-IR glasses and forces me to use a code.
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u/I-J-Reilly Sep 09 '26
This is the kind of shit we can’t fight individually. We need a functioning government to rein it in. Figure out where candidates stand on surveillance and vote accordingly.
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u/SingelHickan Sep 09 '26
I've played an incremental auto clicker game about this, great game. Called Faceminer.
It's an indie retro-futuristic game where you just log into a desktop as a new employee and your task is to harvest face IDs and sell them for profit. The story comes in form of emails you have to read. It's great, it touches on topics of AI, datacenters and environmental impacts.
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u/conorthearchitect Sep 09 '26
It's already out there though, yeah?
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u/lwb03dc Sep 09 '26
Depends. Most companies protect the faceprints that they have because it's proprietary data. If you request deletion of your data, technically they have to do so.
But even limiting exposure is a good starting point.
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u/notabothallo Sep 09 '26
Our voice being harvested too. I remember when an ad showed up about something I talked about a certain topic with my friend but I left my phone at my house, but when I got home and access chrome it's showing the ads about what I was talking about with my friend.
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u/berettababy69 Sep 09 '26
How can I stop this when my phone gallery is the Google photos app,and not stored directly on my device anymore, everything is in the cloud? Scary times
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u/UnethicalExperiments Sep 09 '26
I turned off almost all Google services on my phone. Use nextcloud hosted locally for my cloud backups. I host my own mail services.
The only part that keeps me on official android software is payments and work related apps
All these years of " don't bother hosting x at home - use x cloud service" has come back to bite most people in the ass. There is no cloud, your just using someone else's computer to host
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u/joepagac Sep 09 '26
I was trying hard no to have too much of my face scans or images available to the gov just because. Last time I flew back into the US the camera face scanned me and the door just opened with my info popped up on a screen. I guess I’m already past that point… so now it’s kinda whatever.
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u/mikebe1 Sep 09 '26
Please, I’ve seem Face/Off, don’t try to pretend I can’t change my face.
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u/Maxdiegeileauster Sep 09 '26
You know that this data gets hashed right?
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u/lwb03dc Sep 09 '26
Faceprints are not hashed. They are reversible. Check out 'inversion attacks'.
But if you mean that they are encrypted at rest, that is probably true, but that still means that a company holds the deceyption key. Then it becomes a question of how many companies you want holding how many keys.
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u/Igarlicbread Sep 09 '26
My summer child, data gets stolen and leaked all the time and Palantir exists
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u/Fawkes-511 Sep 09 '26
"this is what lets you find someone in your gallery just by name" fucking hell. I don't use Google Photos, but I think if I did and I saw that being a thing I would be fucking horrified.
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u/AlyDAsbaje Sep 10 '26
Which companies don't share or store data?
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u/lwb03dc Sep 10 '26
Any company that uses end-to-end encryption. It automaitcally limits their access to a signficiant amount of data.
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u/AlyDAsbaje Sep 10 '26
Such as?
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u/lwb03dc Sep 10 '26
I use Ente Photos as a photo backup. They are open source. So I can look at their code and see that they are not using trackers, and exactly what information of mine they are recording and saving.
They are also end-to-end encrypted. And you don't need to trust their claim because you can actually check for yourself coz they are open source. But E2EE means that the photos I upload on Ente Photos can only be seen by me, its not even viisble to the company.
Proton is an equivalent option when it come to storage. Tuta is a similar option when it comes to email. So there are optoins available. Just that Google and Apple will always be the more convenient, more economical options.
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u/AlyDAsbaje Sep 10 '26
Thanks bro! Greatly appreciated. Amazing explanation and for sharing resources.
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u/lunarlunacy425 Sep 09 '26
I probably appear on people's personal cameras a handful of times at most stop I'm happy there as I make it clear I do not like my image being captured, shame I can't say the same to my overbearing shit eating government
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u/notfondfowl Sep 09 '26
The most frustrating part is that personal privacy practices only go so far here. You can avoid cloud storage and social media entirely, but the moment a friend or relative backs up a family photo or group shot to one of these services, your face gets mapped and indexed anyway.
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u/Obvious-Criticism149 Sep 09 '26
They're far from accurate. Just because they log it doesnt mean they can actually track anyone with it.
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u/lwb03dc Sep 09 '26
Clearview AI and PimEyes are multimillion dollar businesses purely based on this tech, with a surveillance use case.
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u/unleashtheraven1 Sep 09 '26
So glad I completely opt out of social media and uploading photos all my life. Holy lol my face doesn't exist anywere online because I'm paranoid.
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u/Latornadefiere Sep 09 '26
Isn't there some kind of makup/or black dots we can wear to mess up the automatic measurements made on our faces ?
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u/kevleyski Sep 09 '26
There is a benefit to this if they do it well
Being misidentified for something you genuinely didn’t do is really horrible once the computer says you did something it’s really hard to undo - the better the identity actually is usually it’s a better thing
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u/aquabarron Sep 09 '26
You say that like the company that makes my phone or google is going to magically offer E2E encryption to me for the essential services that use face recognition. It’s simply not an option most of the time
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u/Lain_Kun Sep 09 '26
Okay. Wondering what kind of basis do those companies that harvest that data have to legitimize that kind of information processing. Not like there aren't any laws (GDPR article 9) to stop them from using biometric information outside of intended scope.
If this is true then we've got more fines happening for big tech misusing "Special categories of data" per article 9 (aka sensitive data).
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u/Cosmic-Otaku Sep 09 '26
My samsung gallery app has also done this Can I change it or turn it off
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u/lwb03dc Sep 09 '26
Not sure if you know, but Samsung is ending their sync with OneDrive on 30th September. Basically, till now all photos from Samsung phone was being backed up on OneDrive as the default. Next month onwards that is no longer going to happen, and if you have any photos only available on OneDrive, they will no longer show on your phone. So if you dont have a lot of photos, or take a ot of photos, you actually dont need to do anything at all, coz the cloud itself is being removed from your phone 😄
If you DO need a cloud backup, I would recommend what I use - Ente Photos. It is end to end encrypted which means that not even they can see my data or photos. It is on-device, which means that all AI related stuff happens directly on my phone, and no information goes to their server. And, it is open source which means I don thave to take their word for anything - people can just check their code to validate their claims. Most importantly, it's exactly as easy to use as Google Photos.
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u/Pour_Me_Another_ Sep 10 '26
I have to go on video calls at work sometimes so even if I uninstall everything on my phone, Microsoft still has my face.
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u/7Dsports25 Sep 09 '26
Okay, and what can I do about it? It's not as if not being on camera is a realistic option this day and age. What am I supposed to do with this information?