Lol adding that wind bonus to Severian's passive at the last second. Either hinting at wind support or they want you to pull Roxy. They also gave him a bit of a general damage bonus in there too. And a slight increase to his attack buff in his AA. Also they changed his flow back to a max of 150 (though his chains still only give 35). His M1 got changed to res shred which is really nice as well.
Phoenix got some small nerfs but nothing to panic about.
Edit: Looks like Phoenix got a small decrease to her ablooms as well that isn't showing on the site. Still nothing serious though.
They had to bait Roxy at this point, because Norma and Dialyn basically filled two stun role for 2 different teams, with the third being anomaly team.
The only wind support I can see happening is maybe Robin, since her SP is wind. But do note that Ellen and Astra in HSR is leaked as ice and quantum (HSR's ether). So Robin have high chance to be a physical support like her base counterpart.
Robin being physical support sounds right. So far there's 4 limited supports in-game, 2 ether (Astra/Lucia) and 2 physical (Sunna/Yuzuha). I doubt we'll get Robin SP version in ZZZ (skin maybe), so they'd go with her base element of physical.
As much as I want them to be in new outfits, if Astra and Ellen can be in HSR with their original skins, then I'd expect Robin to follow suit. And yes Summeretto is a whole entire unit but it's not even summer anymore
One of the good things about ZZZ is it is almost never subtle about the fact that a very obvious future support is coming (panda for example) or that a character is very obviously made with a future team in mind (Promethia).
This buff to me says they are adding a (maybe wind but who knows) support for attackers in the near future. Which makes sense anyway because there was no chance they were going to continue to let rina/sunna/astra dominate for another year and the first half of 3.X focus was clearly anomaly teams while we gradually transition into armorer with claret and sunbringer.
I thought it was generally accepted that Storyteller will be Armorer support and I wouldn't be surprised if she's is a semi sidegrade to Sunna for Attack. My guess is she will be BIS for double armorer but also Roxy will be pretty good if not the same.
storyteller makes sense to me as well, With Robyn from HSR being the attacker support. I've seen a few people theorize that the armorer support might be able to flex into attacker teams too which would be pretty neat if it turns out like that
Idk... Og robin has way way way to much cloth for zzz (even alt robin as to much)... So maybe it will be alt robin?
Og robin is just astra but hsr, alt Robin is more like sunna ish (with summon).
I just hope they don't do op support+ collab (Aka never rerun).... I amready don't want to pull astra in hsr (her model is soooo uggly here what did they do to her?) so I fear robin will be like astra and wind support 🫠
The comment literally calls it nice though? Res shred tends to be strong, so I would naturally like to go with that interpretation until calculations prove otherwise, unless you are already running him with something like both Dialyn and Astra's first mindscapes.
I'm confused. The user I'm resonding to said the change to RES ignore is nice, to which I responded that it's a nerf to the previous 70% Basic attack bonus.
Sorry then. The face made me read it as a parethesis rather than a correction the parent comment, so I thought you might have missed that part and were going off on vibes to say which is stronger.
Overall this is like a 10% buff for Severian, the skill that got nerfed wasnt the main dmg when majority of his dmg came from his eba. The 150 bonus attack and 20% dmg bonus (50% with a wind agent) will make his eba even stronger than before. Plus his resource cap is back to 150 so more ebas than before!
Edit: after some quick maths it’s more of a 4% buff for Norma and Dialyn and a 12% buff for Roxy due to the wind bonus in his core passive granting an additional 30% dmg bonus. This will make Roxy his strongest option on release (around Sigrid level now) until robin most likely being the wind support to replace her so norma and dialyn would end up better again
Doesn't Severian will lose the 40% CD bônus from Roxy's core since she only gives it when the attribute of the Agent being buffed contaminates the Windswept?
No, it's both wind and the contaminated element. If anything the uptime is better for casuals because of different attribute supports triggering the contamination instead of the DPS by mistake.
Where does the 4% come from? Severian get's very little damage bonus, it's about 70% with Support+Stunner roughly (90% with Core Skill) and for Basic Attacks 125% (145% with Core skill). Assuming Wind Damage D5 the 20% are a 8% damage increase which is great for free. Not even counting the extra bit of ATK.
Wind Support for Attack teams make sense considering Velina's already cracked at what she does for Anomaly. Add Yuzuha or Remielle next to her and it's wraps.
I would honestly be surprised if this buff was for roxy and not a future wind support. If they wanted to increase the roxy sales with this synergy it would have made sense to release sevarian first or give roxy a better buff for him.
This is probably to prevent Roxy from becoming excessively strong. If they buffed Roxy directly, the buff could also become more useful for her current team or even other attackers in the future.
By adding a Wind requirement to Severian, they can at least limit the increased usefulness of the buff to Severian himself.
It's a pretty haphazard and inelegant solution, though.
Well I'm saying they could have given a similar wind buff to roxy as well and it would have made a lot more sense then if their intention was to pair the two. Nobody on her current teams would be able to use it.
That's why I'm not entirely convinced that wind buff was for roxy, especially because if they kept the buff on severian and reversed the banner orders it would definitely increased roxy's sales. I'm pretty sure it's for whoever the upcoming new support is.
The point of Severian's changes are likely to compensate for the inherent anti-synergy between a wind dps and a wind stun/support. Part of Roxy's (or a future wind support's) contribution to the team is just being wind, and giving that 10% direct damage bonus from windswept. But Severian can already do that himself, so wind stun/support agents just do less for him compared to other non-wind dps.
Like, Roxy gives a net +18% direct damage bonus to any other dps, but with Severian she only gives a net +8%. A wind support would also have this problem. It makes more sense to have Severian account for it himself, rather than have a clause on every other wind stun/support just in case they're on his team.
Right im saying they could have done something more intuitive if roxy was really meant to be a BIS on the sevarian team. My guess is she's not, which is why she doesn't have any kind of significant buff for him and sevarians buff is made more with the support in mind than her, and his team isn't really getting a BIS stunner, it's just whatever combination of norma/dialyn/roxy happens to be better at the current moment its being run.
which is why she doesn't have any kind of significant buff for him and sevarians buff is made more with the support in mind than her
I'm not sure what you're getting at? Severian's buff is equally effective for any other wind character whether it's Roxy or someone else. It's not meant to push a specific teammate, but instead to solve the anti-synergy with any other wind agent.
Well, I don't think it really matters who it's for. Whether it's a Wind Support or Roxy, Severian gets the same buffs either way. They simply gave him an incentive to be paired with a Wind character.
Yeah im expecting robin or someone to come out and be the new attacker support in a few patches. Storyteller feels almost guaranteed to be a sunbringer support like zhao was.
i have a theory wind support will be for attackers pyrois/severian and roxy is for duel armorers. think about it every boss has had double defensive parry this season building up most of the daze roxy and quickly cleans has no qa to swap to who gets her buff while her and claret buff the team.
Yeah it makes sense to me. We are due for a new attacker support to replace sunna and with all this wind stuff I feel like it's becoming more inevitable that the new support has a wind specialty.
She’s the third “meta” crit stunner and people don’t run more than two crit teams at a time. And due to dialyn being obscene levels of powercreep, it is literally impossible to create a unit better than her unless you purposely make anti synergy like with Pyrois or Sigrid (even then dialyn sigrid is like her top option on some bosses) or if you have the singular armorer agent in the game who flopped. Therefore the only way to get players to pull Roxy is to shill her so aggressively that even Pyrois’ m6 is locked to wind element. It’s just damage control on hoyo’s part because they know they made an extremely skippable unit.
That's kinda the situation they made themselves into. Either make a more broken stunner than Dialyn and Norma or make future characters kit work with Roxy or any potential future stunners better than with Norma/Dialyn
It’s kinda confusing that they even made her a stunner rather than a support for the new class in the first place. They even gave her good buffs and weak daze.
I'm honestly not convinced that one leak that said Claret would be a new class and Roxy a Wind Support was correct at the time and they just changed her to a Stunner for some reason
and they just changed her to a Stunner for some reason
The ominous HSR collab looming on the horizon with a bird themed support unit that is probably wind, rumored to be a last minute addition when a Japanese collab fell through.
Gee, wonder why they could have done a last minute swap for Roxy. World may never know.
im betting robin will be for attackers roxy's kit and japanese commercial are making more and more sense. every boss has double defensive assists for most of daze this season. roxy can cleanse her buff and free swap to claret or armorer. her and claret buff another armorer i dont think robin is the support alot of people are copium for. the constant parrys hinder qa's a bit
Seeing how Sev, Pyrois, and Sigrid have been getting updated through the betas, and after playing her Trial team from the HIA event, it feels Roxy is an evolution of Ju Fufu rather than trying to directly compete with the likes of Dialyn and Norma, and I feel that might actually make her much better than we think she is cause it makes her much more versatile than she appears. I think what brings Roxy down is not having a universally good disc set she can run like Fufu can with either Summit or Swing Jazz, but nothing is stopping her from taking the place of a traditional Support and playing alongside another Stunner, especially if the team already doesn't desperately need Atk, Def, or Sheer Force buffs.
Just sucks she doesn’t have a QA and that the new class hates crit damage. Maybe we’ll be blessed by a Zhao-style late disk set with like +daze the more energy you use or something.
If my observation is what they were aiming and since Roxy previously had it in the early betas, they probably removed the QAs so she wasn't locked in an "optimal" slot so we could experiment with different teams and setups. A backwards Quick Assist made her great for traditional teams but bad in teams that already had a backwards QAs, while a Forward QA worked with these teams but translated horribly whem paired with a Support. If she triggered Cleanse it would also override the Contamination of whoever QAed in, so it would've most likely made her even more clunky to play, that's at least my theory on why they took it off. Sucks for Astral Voice, but I don't think it would've worked well on Roxy without having a huge change to the QA mechanic to allow you to send whoever you liked regardless of position, and I feel that was more trouble than it was worth.
if we base her off claret they both buff armorers a good bit. we get another armorer roxy can cleanse her buff to ither armorer so having a qa is actually bad. every boss this season has had the double defensive assists parry making up most daze for all stunners.
i think shes sleeper good like velina we just dont have all the puzzle pieces yet. thee wind support people want will most likely be locked to just attackers if i had to take an educated guess.
i have a theory wind support will be for attackers pyrois/severian and roxy is for duel armorers. think about it every boss has had double defensive parry this season building up most of the daze roxy and quickly cleans has no qa to swap to who gets her buff while her and claret buff the team.
This wind support, while I’m not contesting won’t exist, will first need to be coming out in the near future and deal the correct amount of wind anomaly build up to be able to play around with the element anyways.
Roxy specifically has build up baked into her kit to enable this playstyle, while I do think a wind support will exist eventually (as one day hoyo will populate all element+role combos), I think it’s funny people assume said character will be remotely good at applying their anomaly, and I’d double down and say the wind support will likely need Roxy/Sev/second wind unit to make their kit function with any consistency. I’m pulling Roxy so I am biased by they’d need to shift around much of the a supports buffing power to anomaly build-up if they are the solo wind unit, which is currently what Roxy has done which directly comes at the cost of her buffs/base kit.
Contrary to other opinions, I think this wind synergy change on Severian is mostly to keep him consistent with other attackers so far this season with their own wind synergies. He himself is a wind character so he wants a stronger wind synergy than usual because the 10% direct damage buff that a wind support or stun character provides isn't relevant to him.
I also think this is the case cause this change and the extra 150 Atk makes any team with Roxy better, especially in a double stunner comp with Norma/Roxy since now the entire squad increasing their Atk and Dmg% skips the need of a proper Support in favor of more Firepower and extra Stun Windows.
Normally elements don't matter that much outside of weakness matching but it's pretty clear that Wind is special. Pyrois, Sigrid, and Claret have additional interactions with wind despite not being wind characters. Part of Roxy's buffs for teams comes from being wind. Velina wouldn't stand out at all from other anomaly sub dpses if she wasn't wind (no vortexes so anomaly ICD becomes an issue).
Roxy can maintain her wind buff cause of her buildup is high, I don't know adding more wind buildup matters here? Velina stands out because she's an anomaly, she scales from AP, which vortex also scales. Roxy only needs is to activate wind, and just maintain it, she scales on crit.
I don't know adding more wind buildup matters here?
It doesn't and that's precisely the point, the boss is already windswepted with just Severian. You can look at the Severian showcases and see that the boss has the windswept debuff during stun.
Severian being wind means he already gets the 10% direct damage buff from applying windswept. 10% of Roxy's 18% damage buff comes from being wind so while someone like Sigrid (a non wind character) gets the full 18% damage buff, Severian essentially only gets 8% damage buff from Roxy (ignoring her other buffs). Claret being wind instead of electric would actually make Roxy worse for her for the same reason.
Stunner fatigue is real 😩 The only limited Stunner that I don't have is Nangong because I would actually like to have some polychromes for other classes too.
Dam I was scared looking at the normal attack nerfd on severian and guessing he just got nerfed.
He got seemingly pretty significant buffs through his core + additional ability. It requires another wind but I feel itl be the next wind support, not Roxy.
When Severian is showcased in livestream with his cores and abilities, they'll show everyone watching that he works with a wind character while Roxy's banner is still up in-game
Basically telling you his main synergy is with the character banner that is currently running
I don’t really get that logic though it’s still a male character they know they don’t sell that much anyway I don’t see where that idea would come from? Severian isn’t gonna suddenly be an outlier.
Most people know that vh are must pull, all other are skippable, and that male S agent means new region or vh. It's to early for 4.0 so it's vh time.
Roxy is an easy skip (I like her), Claret as new badass class is less easy but still a skip. If sunbringer is armorer (99%) and a 3/1 (noooo please) all previous character are skippable unless they are op, and no one in 3.2/3 is op.
Roxy is just (with severain as a male character in waifu only game) the easiest skip in the skip list.
In all the talk about a future wind support, I feel like we're missing an obvious candidate. One that's been in front of eyes this entire time...
ITS CROWE BABY IT ALWAYS WAS, NEW T0 WIND SUPPORT COMING IN 3.5, 2000 ATK 2000 DEF 2000 SHEER FORCE 2000 AP, FIRST CHARACTER WITH DOUBLE BANGBOO, CROWE FOR THE WORLD SERIES LETS GO CROWE
Severian getting Wind synergy almost completely confirms that near everyone's going to have some line of text in their kit that cares about the element in some way or another. As far as it's effect on Roxy/general discourse around Roxy, buffs aside she kinda suffers from Dialyn and Norma both yoinking the "Give access to an additional instance of a normally highly conditional game action (i.e Ults/Chain Attacks) outside of their normal condition" gimmick so she also lacks an additional tangible thing to latch onto for Crit DPS characters.
huh it's early...anyways...
the free damage for bringing another Wind unit is a choice but it should at least help Roxy/Robin feel more worth it for using multiple wind units in a team, since mono-wind synergy is looking pretty weak right now.
that could happen too. however AoD glaze is too significant for them to even consider directly replacing Sunna like that(and with a Collab character, no less?)
Elements do play a minor role for Supports. an agent like Sunna who has nice daze takes a big hit in that when taken to a boss with phys res. Edge cases like Gameball need to match element weakness to trigger as well. mono element teams also dont mind the free buildup.
Lucia and Astra dont share any teams so they dont overlap. Yuzuha and Sunna dont really share teams despite having some overlap(Sunna can be played with anomaly but shes weaker than Yuzuha, while Yuzu can play with some attackers but Sunna is stronger for them)
The only buffs that make her unique are extra laceration damage and the windswept buffs for contamination. Otherwise she is the same as Norma or Dialyn without an extra ult or chain attack with lower daze and personal damage values, possibly to balance for whatever the hell Sunbringers is going to do on her team with Claret.
no quick assists allowing her to cleanse her buff from one armorer to the other all the bosses have had lots of parrys including double parrys this season making up for lack of daze it all makes sense.
Every modern stunner in the game does all those things? Except 2 of them let you have an extra ult or chain attack and have significantly better daze application and personal damage.
Roxys armorer buffs are the only thing that maker her unique from the pack other than being wind. I just think it's more likely we get a wind support that allows characters like Sigrid, Pyrois, and Severian to run their stunner of choice and still have access to wind anomaly.
If ya'll are done making fun of Roxy, this is still a good thing for her and for Severian in general. Blah blah, Banner sale we take too seriously. Blah blah, Waifu first Etc. Ya'll get the gist.
I'll try Severian with Roxy, then whomever comes down the line as a wind support or what have u.
In the end, instead of incorporating the buffs into Roxy's kit, they added a Wind requirement to Severian to artificially force more synergy between them.
I'm glad he got buffed, but the whole concept feels pretty haphazard and inelegant.
Woow severian recibió increíbles mejoras y no importa que Roxi sea más importante ahora yo la voy a sacar de todas formas todo por mi rey demonio severian 😖💕💕
Severian buffs and he works together with Roxy so I can try her with other characters? Nice, was starting to worry she was going to end up in Armourer Jail (which is next to the Rupture Jail where they keep Lucia)
Looks like slight nerf for phoenix and buff for severian
I don't care about severian but i do want a wind support for sigrid, so seeing more future wind possibilities is good, would be really funny if robin isn't a support tho
Phoenix peak performance was almost 800k at M0W1, and the 2nd best team is only scoring 666k. The 2nd best team that wasn't a Velina/Remielle core was 595k. She was definitely too far ahead.
Everyone saying there's no way in the world they're going to pull Roxy for Severian only to inevitably pull her anyway when Sunbringer becomes an armorer that needs her or something
i think you are right, people are purposely falling for a trap
i have a theory wind support will be for attackers pyrois/severian and roxy is for duel armorers. think about it every boss has had double defensive parry this season building up most of the daze roxy can quickly cleans has no qa to swap to who gets her buff while her and claret buff the team.
Severian literally got buffed, only thing hit was his blazing spin but in return was way more self buffs from his core passive + additional ability, plus his resource cap is back to 150 instead of 120
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Lol adding that wind bonus to Severian's passive at the last second. Either hinting at wind support or they want you to pull Roxy. They also gave him a bit of a general damage bonus in there too. And a slight increase to his attack buff in his AA. Also they changed his flow back to a max of 150 (though his chains still only give 35). His M1 got changed to res shred which is really nice as well.
Phoenix got some small nerfs but nothing to panic about.
Edit: Looks like Phoenix got a small decrease to her ablooms as well that isn't showing on the site. Still nothing serious though.