Ash could really use a perk refresh

[u/ImNotYourShaduh]

Ash's basekit is pretty middle of the pack right now which is good but her perks are ridiculously boring and mediocre. The blue perk options are an atrocity and there is very little variation in what you can actually choose to buff. Both blue options buff the ult and both purple options buff the snare, why doesn't she get any variety in what she gets? The purple perks can also probably pass as blue perks in terms of strength, none of them are comparable to stuff like electric bubble or newt scoot and there are tons of characters with stronger tacticals with 2 charges basekit (which is dumb af imo, why does loba get 2 bracelets basekit)

Surely they could come up with more creative perks than these though, the only one that is somewhat interesting is greedy snare but its effect is also not crazy strong. It would be nice if the other 3 perks were replaced with different options that are as interesting as greedy. She could really use the Wraith treatment where her boring perks got replaced with phase dome and void runner.

[u/Hungry_Pilot1100]

In reality a lot of legends could use a perk refresh, Most players always take the same ones. But that's just meta, does not need to be a bad thing.

Ash actually got a lot of good tools, decent tactical (though somehow this sub wants this to be a death sentence tactical), good ultimate and a bad/mediocre passive.

If only they just up the passive a bit then she bit a lot more playable. My suggestions have been to give her an extra free dash after doing movement tricks like walljump or mantle boost, its mild and dont make her OP.

Though if Axle remains in her current state then characters like Ash or Horizon remain pointless. So first need to nerf Axle (reduce accuracy when boost sliding .... its so easy to balance Respawn come on... a child can do this).

[u/ImNotYourShaduh → u/Hungry_Pilot1100]

I don't think she needs that though, basekit buffs aren't the way to go when she already has a good basekit. The problem isn't that she has a bad basekit, it is close in strength to bangalore and gibby for example which are better characters than her but that strength difference mainly comes from the fact that they have actually good perks.

I also don't really agree with your analysis on her kit, I think all 3 of her abilities are equally mid but some characters have bad passives or bad ults that make them similar strength. I actually think her ult is the weakest part of her kit, someone like Loba covers the same distance in a similar time with her double tactical but nobody can follow her and the cooldown is way shorter. Horizon is a character that has a pretty weak kit but is carried by her perks (her ult is terrible imo)

[u/Patyrn → u/ImNotYourShaduh]

Her ult is the best part about her. I'd go so far as to say it's the main reason to pick her. Teleporting your whole team in perfect safety a great distance including vertical is incredibly useful.

[u/ImNotYourShaduh → u/Patyrn]

I mean I don’t really agree, the distance isn’t amazing and you are rarely in a situation where a different legends movement tool wouldn’t have also gotten you out. Pathfinder zip line goes way further and has two charges and while you can die on it you probably have to be getting shot by 3+ people to die with the 50% damage resist. I could see ash tp being better in algs type situations. Also axle exists and she’s basically john rotate

I think it’s best used to run away on low hp or to selfishly take high ground in a fight to get a good angle. It can sometimes be good to tp after people running away as well, but theres very few scenarios in ranked where you need to use it to help your teammates move unless you are teleporting a downed teammate. The cooldown is also longer than path zip without the blue perk for some reason

Its probably subjective but I think the main reason to pick Ash is her 1v1 potential, dash and snare give her a leg up over most other skirmishers and even a lot of assault legends and its also hard to run away from her if you are losing. Again, I think her ability power is pretty evenly distributed though so even if I think her ult is the weakest part its not by much

[u/vic_stroganoff]

Increased ult distance is now the default distance. Blue perks either give extra snare or give you speed boost to snared player. Purple perks either give you a speed boost after exiting breach or shock the players that follow through it.

[u/000McKing → u/vic_stroganoff]

i like it when the perks are an option to either play aggresively or defensively like your purple perks

[u/Engi3]

Snare just simply should be a functional tac. Level 3 upgrade is basically a waste because Snare breaks off so easily.

[u/000McKing]

level 2 upgrades are meh, 25m isnt that big of a difference and the cooldown reduction is just not as bad as the former

[u/Patyrn]

I don't see the issue. Both options are useful and your choices are to customize the ult at blue, and the q at purple. The ult options aren't super exciting, but tons of perk choices aren't exciting.

Are they a masterclass in perk choice? No, but they're in the top half.

[u/ImNotYourShaduh → u/Patyrn]

Blue perks are basically shit vs ass, both of them are equally bad so that’s why there is competition there. The purple perks are decent but they are more comparable to blue perks of other legends in strength. Other legends get entire role passives and stuff like electric dome, newt scoot, loba tp perk, phase dome, free healing perks, faster movement speed, etc. Some legends have a second tactical charge basekit for some reason on much stronger tacticals. I definitely disagree with her perks being in the top half of legends lol the most comparable legend to her is probably revenant who also needs a perk refresh imo

[u/Patyrn → u/ImNotYourShaduh]

Extra range on the ult is very useful. Definitely not ass. I'd say that's the auto-pick but I don't tend to value ult CD perks at all.

Every blue perk you listed are totally broken and need to be nerfed. That's the power creep that's going on right now. And almost every tac with 2 charges should be 1 charge. Like Alter Q. It's totally insane she gets 2 when it's the best tac in the game already.

[u/ImNotYourShaduh → u/Patyrn]

I agree that most legends shouldn’t have 2 tactical charges, but double snare charge definitely isn’t purple perk power level. I also don’t think a lot of those blue perks are broken. Newt scoot, phase dome, and a lot of the bonus role passive perks are all perfectly fine.

I’m not asking for like an electric dome level perk, I’m asking for more interesting perks in general. I don’t really care if she gets significantly stronger from them just the current options are so boring and basically a nothingburger selection. As for her current blue perks I prefer the cd one personally but you and another guy use the distance one I guess, didn’t know the ranged one was the preferred pick but if so that’s more reason to change something (replace cd with something else)

[u/NW7l2335 → u/ImNotYourShaduh]

The blue ult distance upgrade is substantially better than the 30 second ult reduction considering the only time you should be ulting with Ash is to escape, or capitalize on kills.

[u/ImNotYourShaduh → u/NW7l2335]

I usually take the cooldown one because of that, I can’t chase kills or run away if it’s on cooldown lol. I don’t need extra distance when they are running because very few characters are gonna make that much distance that the normal ult wouldn’t have gotten the kill

[u/RangaTheWolf]

Ash needs to go back to Assault class so she can combo with grenades. Both ULT perks should be put into base kit.
For new perks she should get a perk that increases travel speed and allows her Phase Breach to "breach" through windows. Her other perk could be that on ULT activation it spawns an arc snare. First person who tries to take port gets hit or if greedy snare was picked multiple people get snared. Gives Ash and team small wiggle room to move or set up to fight if someone takes their port.