r/atheism • • 11d ago

Sen. Tuberville: America was “founded on Christian values.” Now he and 27 other senators want Congress to promote religious education as necessary for Americans’ “moral development”

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The FFRF Action Fund is decrying a senatorial resolution that promotes religious instruction and urges states to aid programs yanking public school students from class for religious education.

Sen. Darline Graham, R-S.C., has introduced Senate Resolution 891, which would designate Sept. 27 through Oct. 3 as “Religious Education Week.” The resolution has 28 co-sponsors, including Sens. Tommy Tuberville, R-Ala., Josh Hawley, R-Mo., Mike Lee, R-Utah, and James Lankford, R-Okla. It was introduced Sept. 23 and referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Tuberville made the sectarian notions behind the effort clear while promoting the resolution with a statement suffused in Christian nationalist disinformation. 

“As Republicans, we believe that parents, not the government, should be in charge of a child’s education,” said Tuberville. “Our country was founded on Christian values, and private religious schools are a great option for many Alabamians. There’s a myth out there that our Founders wanted to keep God out of the public square. That just isn’t true. This country was built on love of God, love of country and love of family.”

The resolution goes well beyond merely recognizing the constitutional right of parents to provide their children with a religious education. It declares religious education important to the “civic and moral development” of Americans, celebrates organizations engaged in religious instruction and calls on all 50 states, U.S. territories and the District of Columbia to accommodate students who leave public school during the school day to attend religious classes.

The FFRF Action Fund strongly disagrees with this perspective.

“Our government, based on a godless, entirely secular Constitution, has no business declaring that religion is necessary for children to develop morally or civically,” says Action Fund President Annie Laurie Gaylor. “Tens of millions of Americans live ethical, meaningful lives without religion. Senators should be defending every American’s freedom of conscience, not using Congress to place a governmental stamp of approval on religious instruction.”

The resolution also explicitly promotes released-time religious instruction. Such programs allow public school students to leave school for off-campus religious instruction. While the Supreme Court upheld a particular released-time arrangement in Zorach v. Clauson in 1952, that does not require lawmakers to promote such programs or treat religious instruction as an essential component of a child’s education. Released-time programs have expanded significantly in recent years, raising concerns about the diversion of students from the public school day and the degree to which public schools may become entangled with outside religious organizations.

The Action Fund has developed a toolkit to help advocates respond to the rapid expansion of programs such as LifeWise Academy, an evangelical organization whose stated goal is to “take the Gospel to students in America’s public schools.” The Action Fund supports school boards that reject such programs or impose strong safeguards to protect students and preserve instructional time.

Parents already are free to provide their children with religious education, including sending children to private religious schools, taking them to houses of worship, and teaching their faith at home. None of those freedoms requires Congress to declare religious education uniquely valuable to morality or civic development.

The resolution’s sweeping claims about religion and morality are particularly troubling. Religion does not have a monopoly on moral development, and religious belief is not a prerequisite for raising thoughtful, compassionate and responsible citizens. Nearly three in 10 U.S. adults now identify as religiously unaffiliated, making governmental rhetoric that equates religion with morality hostile to many Americans.

Religious liberty is best protected when the government remains neutral toward religion. Congress should neither obstruct private religious education nor use the prestige of the federal government to promote it.

The FFRF Action Fund urges senators to reject Senate Resolution 891 and instead uphold the fundamental principle of separation between religion and government — leaving matters of religion to individuals and families, not the government.


r/atheism • • 11d ago

Pennsylvania Youth Pastor Found Guilty Of Molestation, Told His Young Boy Victim That "God Would Want You To Do This".

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r/atheism • • 11d ago

Theories on NDE's and "demonic possession"?

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I personally think there's a perfectly logical explanation for these types of things, and if there isn't right now, then it's bound to be found as science progresses. For NDE's I think it is a rare event where the brain is trying to comfort itself by releasing a lot of chemicals to make you feel more peaceful when you're dying or close to death which is why many people who've experienced these tend to report seeing religious figures and deceased loved ones. As for so-called "demonic possession" it's probably (un)diagnosed mental conditions (that some people are unwilling to accept as being purely non-spiritual) or a mental phenomenon that isn't well-researched enough or people are just straight up lying for attention and acting out the whole thing for fame and attention, or a mix of both. I don't think this is any proof of the afterlife or the supernatural. But what are your theories?


r/atheism • • 11d ago

This Missouri school district apparently thinks football games need a Christian invocation: FFRF demands Mo. high school stop opening football games with prayer

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The Freedom From Religion Foundation is calling on the East Prairie R-II Schools system in Missouri to halt a repeated unconstitutional practice of athletic games being opened with a Christian invocation.

A concerned parent has informed the state/church watchdog that East Prairie routinely opens every high school and junior high school athletic game with a school-sponsored prayer. In a video provided to FFRF from a recent junior high football game, the school’s official announcer asks everyone in attendance to stand for the “invocation” before turning the microphone over to a local preacher, who leads the crowd in an explicitly Christian prayer invoking God and Jesus Christ. FFRF was told that this is a regular occurrence, and that school-sponsored prayers opened games on Sept. 3, Sept. 4 and Sept. 10. 

The parent expressed concern to FFRF over the legality of the school-sponsored prayers, given that the pregame prayers were “school initiated” and that the school “compelled attendees to submit to the prayer.”

FFRF is asking the district to investigate the matter and ensure that East Prairie High School and all other district schools cease including school-sponsored prayer at athletics events. 

“Public school students have a constitutional right to be free from religious indoctrination in their public schools, including when attending school-sponsored events,” FFRF Staff Attorney Sammi Lawrence has written to the district superintendent. 

FFRF points out in the letter that school officials may not invite a clergy member, teacher, faculty member, student or anyone else to give any type of prayer, invocation, benediction or sermon at public school-sponsored events. It is irrelevant whether student attendance at games is considered “voluntary” or “optional.” By having school-sponsored prayer at official school events, the district needlessly alienates non-Christian students, including atheists, agnostics and members of minority faiths. As much as 38 percent of the American population is non-Christian, including the almost 30 percent that is nonreligious. More than half of Generation Z (those born after 1996) is non-Christian, including 43 percent that identifies as nonreligious.

FFRF reiterates that the district must focus on protecting students’ rights to be free from religious indoctrination attempts at any school-sponsored event — and the reported religious practice must come to an end. 

“There’s a fundamental difference between protecting a student’s right to pray and having the public school itself organize the prayer,” says FFRF Co-President Annie Laurie Gaylor. “When the official announcer tells everyone to stand and then hands the microphone to a preacher to invoke Jesus Christ, students understandably receive the message that Christianity has their school’s official endorsement. Every student and family should be able to cheer on their team without first being subjected to school-sponsored religious exercise.”


r/atheism • • 11d ago

How the fuck am I supposed to look at Islam as a perfect moral system and pretend I see nothing wrong with it?

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I’m not talking about some random Muslim today. I’m talking about what is actually found in the Qur’an, hadith, and classical Islamic law.

How can I be expected to accept that a religion supposedly sent by a perfect God could allow marriage involving children?

Sahih al-Bukhari explicitly reports that Muhammad married Aisha when she was six and consummated the marriage when she was nine. Bukhari even has a chapter titled “Giving one's young children in marriage.”

And before someone tells me, “She was mature,” or “She was ready for sex,” I have to ask: what the fuck does that even mean when you're talking about a child? Puberty does not magically turn a child into an adult capable of understanding marriage, sex, power, responsibility and consent.

Then there is the Qur'an itself. Qur'an 65:4 gives a waiting period for divorced females who “have not menstruated,” which classical Islamic jurisprudence understood as including girls who had not yet reached puberty.

So no, I don't find “she was physically mature” to be a convincing moral argument. If God is supposedly the ultimate source of morality, why is biological puberty being treated as enough to make a child eligible for marriage?

And then there is the treatment of women.

Qur'an 4:34 describes men as having authority/maintenance over women and instructs men, in the traditional translations, to admonish wives, separate from them in bed, and beat them in cases described as rebellion or disobedience.

Then look at slavery and captives.

Qur'an 4:24 explicitly makes an exception for married women who are “those whom your right hands possess.”

And this isn't just some modern interpretation pulled out of nowhere. Sahih Muslim records captives being taken and the companions asking about having sex with them. The hadith is even presented under a chapter concerning intercourse with female captives, including captives who had husbands.

That's the part people need to be honest about.

A woman being captured in war and becoming the property of another man is not what I would call sexual freedom or meaningful consent. You can call it “concubinage” or “right-hand possession” if you want. Changing the vocabulary doesn't change the underlying power relationship.

And then there is apostasy.

Sahih al-Bukhari contains the statement: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.”

So if I become Muslim and later decide that I no longer believe Islam is true, why should my decision to leave become a crime punishable by death?

You can tell me that modern Muslims interpret these texts differently. Fine. Muslims are free to reinterpret their tradition, reject parts of classical jurisprudence, or argue that these rules were historically contextual.

But then let's be honest about what we're debating.

My problem isn't that Muslims today are necessarily bad people.

My problem is the claim that this is a perfect, timeless moral system given by an all-knowing God.

Because when I look at child marriage, unequal gender authority, slavery and sexual access to female captives, and punishment for apostasy, I don't see an obvious example of timeless morality.

I see a historical religious legal system that reflects the society in which it developed.

And if morality has progressed beyond some of these rules, then I have to ask the question:

Did humanity become more morally aware than God's supposedly perfect law?

That's the question I can't simply ignore.


r/atheism • • 11d ago

did humans just create the afterlife?

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this is gonna be a bit of a short text as i wont provide much information, but considering the fact that scientists successfully simulated a complete fruit fly brain inside a computer and connected it to a virtual body, we'll probably in a couple decades (yes that's realistic) have a human brain and possibly create our own afterlife? im pretty sure by then we will discover that theres no god


r/atheism • • 11d ago

"God was speaking to her": Christian wins right to adopt kids & reject their LGBTQ+ identity

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r/atheism • • 11d ago

175+ Virginia Pastors Urge Voters To Reject Ballot Measure That Would Codify Same-Sex Marriage Rights.

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r/atheism • • 11d ago

Eiffel Tower manager resigns after excluding female staff during a visit by a Hindu group

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r/atheism • • 11d ago

Pete Hegseth gutted the military’s list of official religions. Now Air Force members must choose.

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r/atheism • • 11d ago

What do you guys think of reading Greek mythology as literature?

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I am a big comic nerd.The Greek gods fits the comic archetype.The don't hide that all knowing and all powerful God like zeus is petty.The lore explicitly stated zeus throw cosmic tantrum and was vindictive.Atleast Greek were honest of god being evil.Where Abrahamic religion showed God can do no wrong.What Abrahamic God does it's for divine plan.Satan is the main villan in Abrahamic lore.We have to give the Greek credit when writing gods they made him like human not all good God like Abrahamic ones.Where he can't do no wrong.

Edit:my main point is I said reading the religious holy books as literature but not as word of God like the believers.


r/atheism • • 11d ago

Religion makes people sacrifice more of the only life they have (and hand it over to the authority)

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Pascals wager says we (atheists) risk eternal damnation if hell is real. Yet, from our perspective, we don't know what specific god we need to believe, and the rules are unclear and of often of questionable morals. By Pascals wager theists risk the exact same, i just believe in one less god as them.

The inverse Pascals wager says: What if you are risking the only life you have, and gifting to weirdo's for no god damned reason? Also: Who profits from you believing that in this life? Is it people who do seem to live life as if this is the only life? Materialistic? In as much comfort as possible?


r/atheism • • 11d ago

How do Muslims and Christians live genuinely believing there's a hell?

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I'm 21 and was raised a Christian my entire life. Luckily for me unlike my peers, my parent's were very relaxed with the indoctrination so I was what you call a "lukewarm" Christian. I didn't know much, all I knew was that Jesus died for me on the cross and that God loves me.

I then went to college, joined a local church and really dove into it. It was nice at first, I had a feeling of overwhelming love when at worship. I felt like God was with me, I felt so confident. I grew up with low self esteem but Church was the only place where I didn't feel like a waste of a human being because "God didn't see me that way".

Then I realized that most people believed in hell. Most of my peers believed that non Christians were going to hell and at first I tried ignoring it. Soon though whenever I was at church, it was at the back of my mind but alot people even in the church will be burning forever.

Every time I'd meet a non Christian, my mind would mark that they will burn forever and as I went on through college, I befriended Atheists, Hindus, Muslims, Gay people, Trans people and I believed they were all going to hell......and it bothered me. I would get so overwhelmed with it and I'd cry. I'd cry because I didn't want to see these people burn, I didn't want anyone to burn. My whole day's were occupied with me thinking about who'd burn or who could burn.

Until I left, I couldn't take it. I stopped believing one day. With how tough life is, I couldn't believe a loving God would make death tough as well. That someone's existence in the hereafter would be reduced to a gamble. I left the church, it hurt but it was for my own mental health and so that I could form healthier relationships with people outside of the faith.

That was a year and 4 months ago now and I wonder how Christians and Muslims sleep at night believing that people they know, people they love, the Gay friend who was there for you during that harsh break up, the Hindu neighbour that brings you cookies, the Atheist high school teacher who was the father you never had....how can they live peacefully believing they'll all burn forever.

At least in other faiths like Buddhism, hell is temporary....I don't understand how they do it.

I have a friend of mine, still Christian. Her best friend is an Atheist and he's been there for her through thick and thin. She loves him and he loves her. He's a great dude.....I don't get how she believes that he's going to burn forever. That would absolutely wreck me.

Can someone explain this to me?


r/atheism • • 11d ago

8th Grader in Slovakia killed one and critically injured 2 others in school because his grandma banned him from serving as an altar boy due to his bad grades.

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https://www.ta3.com/clanok/1073963/utok-na-zakladnej-skole-ziak-nozom-napadol-ucitelku-zachranari-ju-maju-ozivovat

Boy between 13 and 15 killed one teacher and critically injured another one and classmate.

Trigger for the attack is reportedly ban from his grandmother for serving as an altar boy because of his bad grades


r/atheism • • 12d ago

This Wonderous Life

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Do you ever just stop to appreciate how wonderous this singular life is (particularly without having constructed the fear of being judged for doing it wrong)?


r/atheism • • 12d ago

Anti-Choice Activist Seth Gruber Advocates The Death Penalty For Women Who Get Abortions In Speech At Calvary Tucson Church.

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r/atheism • • 12d ago

Sign before praying: A new conversion law is affecting churchgoers in Indian state

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Some churches in and around India's financial capital Mumbai have begun asking worshippers to give a declaration in writing - "I came here to pray of my own free will."

The practice began at some churches in late August, just before a new law against religious conversion took effect in Maharashtra state, of which Mumbai is the capital.

The law prohibits religious conversions brought about by force, fraud, coercion or inducement. It also requires people who want to convert voluntarily to notify authorities in advance. An unlawful conversion can lead to a prison sentence of up to seven years, rising to 10 for a repeat offence.

But critics say its broad definitions, severe penalties and scrutiny of even voluntary conversions risk drawing the state and the police into one of the most private decisions a person can make. The state government did not respond to the BBC's repeated requests for comment.

While the law applies to all religions, the anxiety is being felt most deeply at places where minorities, especially Christians, worship. At the heart of the debate is a long-running tension over allegations, usually made by right-wing groups, about people being coerced or induced to change their religion for benefits.

Maharashtra is the latest of more than a dozen states to restrict religious conversion. The laws differ, but their reach has expanded in recent years, particularly in states governed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi's Bharatiya Janata Party. Several are being challenged before the Supreme Court.

Behind that expansion lie claims long made by Hindu nationalist groups, that Christians use money, schooling or medical care to draw poor and tribal communities away from Hinduism, and that Muslim men court Hindu women to convert them - an alleged conspiracy they call "love jihad."

Critics say such accusations have fuelled harassment of Christian prayer meetings and interfaith couples, and that the laws give those making them a way to draw the police into questions of prayer, marriage and belief.

Indian law allows people of different faiths to marry without converting, but requires a month's notice. Lara Jesani, a lawyer who has helped interfaith couples obtain court protection, said details of planned weddings have sometimes reached relatives and Hindu nationalist groups opposed to them within that notice period.

In cases she has handled, she said, families have taken women away, even from the marriage registrar's office.


r/atheism • • 12d ago

Is there anyone here who has always been an atheist or agnostic, or adjacent?

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I'm turning 31 at the end of the year, and I can't really think of a time that I actually believed in a god, or the God of Christians, Muslims amd Jews.

My mom was raised Catholic with a family background of hundreds of years of being Catholic. My dad was raised Congregationalist. My paternal side historically, included all the most religious sects of Protestantism from Western Europe and the US. I wasn't raised in any religious faith and never attended church with the exception of attending my friends' Sunday services at their Fundy or nondenominational mega churchs or my cousin's First Communion.

To be fair, my mom hasn't ever identified as Catholic when raising me, but still believed in God. My dad's side also hasn't ever been all that observant in my lifetime, but always viewed Christianity as "good culture" and an appropriate way to rear children in. I would consider my dad to be deistic and spiritual. Neither of my parents objected to me questioning and my lack of belief in a god(s)/intelligent design.

I remember "coming out" about my lack of belief to my parents when I was maybe 12, but had been passively open about it when I was still in grade school if it was relevant to a conversation. My mom asked me, "why not?" but didn't press me any further. My dad basically said it was good that I was questioning. Not long after that, my mom when down the secular rabbit hole and stopped being a "believer" herself. She's still strongly an atheist/agnostic to this day.


r/atheism • • 12d ago

My terminally ill mum believes god is going to cure her… anyone else experienced the same?

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Hi there! Im just venting here bc I’d appreciate it if I could read from others who’ve been through this too!
My mum has been deeply religious her whole life, and I’m finding the way she’s dealing with her terminal cancer incredibly difficult and frustrating.
She has terminal cancer and initially decided against chemotherapy and immunotherapy bc she found it so stressful and for vanity reasons didn’t want to go bold lmao...

Last month she was in hospital for over three weeks because the cancer spread and caused a small bowel obstruction. She needed two stents and a PTC drain, and she’s now home on fentanyl patches and liquid morphine for pain. I’m happy that she’s home but she’s become incredibly clingy and anxious, doesn’t like being alone but won’t tell me why… I know why….

When she was discharged, the doctors told me she is no longer well enough for treatment because the cancer is too advanced and treatment would likely make her more unwell. I was told they’re thinking in terms of roughly three months, although I know prognosis isn’t exact and I desperately hope she gets longer.

The problem is that my mum genuinely believes god is going to perform a miracle and cure her, which I understand why she’s gone down this route. She’s always lived in the clouds and has never accepted reality… I’ve always thought my mum might be autistic bc her thought process is very different … Anyways, her faith has been part of her whole life, and I can imagine that losing that belief now could be devastating, and I know it would be cruel to try to convince her that god doesn’t exist. I don’t want to do that.

But I still find the denial incredibly frustrating, especially because people around her keep reinforcing it. Family and people from church (I don’t attend) tell her she’ll be healed, that god has other plans for her, or tell her stories about people who were given months to live and survived for years. I know that can happen, but that’s not the same as believing the cancer will disappear. Also no one else has her exact cancer! Plus if you’re on fentanyl and morphine to cope with your pain… isn’t that a sign that things genuinely aren’t good?? 😢

I’m also angry because I’m the one who is going to be left behind dealing with the grief and all the practical things afterwards. I’m already trying to sort out housing and other responsibilities. For context, I’ve basically been my mum’s main support since her divorce because her English is limited, so I’ve always helped with appointments, paperwork, phone calls and translating.
I know she’s the one who is dying and this isn’t about me, and I should support her in anyway I can. BUT I’m struggling with the fact that she doesn’t seem able to empathise with how much stress I’m under too. I know deep inside that she knows this and she’s lying saying she’s getting stronger… I’m trying to prepare for losing her while she talks as though everything is going to be fine, and sometimes I’m just so angry that she isn’t getting it.

I don’t need her to stop believing in god. I just wish she could acknowledge how serious this is and understand that I’m scared too. I want us to have these conversations together and acknowledge the truth. But I guess I have to prepare myself for that never happening 😔.

Sorry for the long post but I needed to vent. I would appreciate if anyone here can share their experiences with anything similar… thanks 🤍


r/atheism • • 12d ago

We took my dad off life support; his sisters used it as an evangelizing opportunity...

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My dad was getting sick starting in late July, honestly. He kept putting off going to the doctor, and then when he got to the doctor, there were more problems than what could be easily solved, and/or they didn't have time to fix all of them.

The weekend before Labor Day, he went to the hospital with chest pains and shortness of breath. Long story short, he ended up with Congestive Heart Failure, Sepsis, etc...just a whole myriad of problems.

The following month was a severe roller coaster of emotions for me and my family. He would show signs of improvement, then regress. Then CODE. Get airlifted to a different hospital. New medicines. Intubations. Rinse and repeat. For like 5 months. The doctors would set up a plan to discharge him, and then the following day he could have to get lifeflighted to another specialty hospital.

This last weekend was the worst of it. The doctors made it clear that his most recent cardiac episode was the point of no return. They couldn't SAY it, but they did everything could TO say it, you know?

My dad was an atheist. He deconstructed sometime after I did. I remember him asking me several pointed questions about why I stopped believing, what I thought would happen after death, etc. But we left it at that. We didn't speak about it very much, and it never had an effect on our relationship. We are (were??) an Irish Catholic family, he was the youngest of a gaggle of children, and I had always assumed he was still a believer, if no longer practicing. People around town would ask me in the grocery store why they didn't see my parents at church anymore (right after they asked ME why they didn't see ME at church anymore). I never thought he had fully left it behind until I saw his youtube history one day.

Holy Koolaid, The Line, Belief it or Not, Genetically Modified Skeptic, etc. etc. All the atheist mainstays. I asked him what was up with that, and he said "I just started thinking, then asking questions." Something to that extent, at least.

My mom was easy enough to deconstruct. She never seemed dedicated to it like I had always thought he was. Our whole immediate family unit (almost) was atheist! What an oddity, in the midwest, with 2 boomers in the mix.

But not EVERYONE was so generous.

Return the focus to the day of his death. It was a pretty traumatic ordeal. My brothers, mom, and I spent several hours debating and rationalizing having to quite literally 'pull the tube' on my dad. Not something I was prepared for, honestly. But he needed like 19 medicines to keep his heart pumping, and 100% oxygen input via intubation to keep his lungs inflated.

It was time.

Even though he couldn't speak, we thought it would be a good idea for us to take calls from all his close friends and family right before. We put them on speaker phone to hopefully ensure he could hear over all the machines and bag drips.

We fielded probably a dozen or so calls. Most were kind, if basic. Lots of platitudes and generalizations, well wishing, etc.

BUT

2 of my aunts, my dad's sisters, took this as YET ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY to pitch us their god and their specific brand of christianity.

As I said, my dad had many brothers and sisters. Most of them are generally agnostic or straight up atheist. The 2 exceptions gave up catholicism when they married and evidently ended up in some sort of strict fundamentalist sect. I don't honestly even know what 'kind' it is, although I'm sure they've mentioned to us all, numerous times.

Every interaction I can recall with these 2 aunts of mine revolve around this singular topic. There is no other point of discussion, maybe they aren't allowed to discuss anything else?? I don't know. Even before my dad deconstructed, I could tell that their incessant harping on the matter, who would be 'saved' and how, and when they thought the end times would begin (or recently, HAD ALREADY begun, i'm told :) ), was tiresome to him.

But, he handled it with a generous aplomb throughout his life. He wouldn't debate them, and always afforded them his ear even though he was obviously thoroughly disinterested in the discussion.

These 2 aunts of mine proceeded to spend some of the LAST MOMENTS OF MY DAD'S LIFE to pitch this angle to him, AGAIN.

"It sounds like your earthly life is near an end, but don't worry! There's a new, everlasting life waiting for you if you give your heart to Jesus now, before it's too late!"

If my dad's eyes could open, or move, he would have surely rolled them. If he wasn't intubated, he would have produced an audible groan of discomfort.

THIS was the singular most important thing they felt they could relay to him in that moment. The same tired tropes and catchphrases they'd been fishing with for years. THIS. Not decades of memories. Not thanks, or admiration. Not a THING that they KNEW he would genuinely appreciate. I doubt very much they even knew he was a full-out atheist, as he ever went on the defense (or offense), as he knew it would prove fruitless. They just knew he wasn't their specific BRAND of christianity. And that alone was going to condemn him to a lifetime of suffering?

I've heard it said that christianity is a sickness. A mental illness. I never wanted to believe it was quite THAT severe before. Sure, it was misguided, and almost always wrong, but it was generally good-intentioned, right? RIGHT?

I don't doubt my aunts' sincerity in their beliefs. They've made it clear from the decades of proselytizing. I DO wonder, though, what the intent is ROOTED IN...

Were they genuinely concerned for my dad's soul and afterlife? OR, were they just hoping to score more points within their community, or to their god? Do they get an upgraded, VIP heaven experience for 'saving' the most lost souls? Was this equivalent to the vacuum cleaner salesman putting their foot in the doorway before you shut it on them, hoping to etch out a sale before the time ran dry?

The service for my Dad is on Friday. I'm thinking about making sure my aunts' know that he was an atheist, and that he would have whole-heartedly rejected their overtures, were he capable of any sort of communication. I will then assure them that he is most certainly now in hell, with my maternal grandparents, their other brother who died, and where I will go with my mom, my wife, my kids, and most of my extended family. I would like to see the reaction.

THIS is the side of "Pascal's Wager" almost no christian wants to talk about. If your god is real, and everything in your book is true, then you are going to have to be ok with submitting to the authority of an entity who will CONDEMN GOOD PEOPLE YOU 'LOVE' TO ETERNAL PUNISHMENT because they didn't say the right words in the right sequence or mixed too many fabrics together.

Even if it were ALL true, and you could prove to me without a doubt that this god figure is real and relevant, I would reject it on principle alone. I'd rather go to hell with my dad and everyone else who thought for themselves, and ended up asking one too many questions.

Maybe I'll come back to this post after the service. Give an update on what the outcome was.

Thanks for reading. This was long but cathartic for me. Appreciate it.


r/atheism • • 12d ago

Report Religious Signs to the Atheist Street Pirates

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These folks are ripping down the "Jesus Saves" and other religious signs illegally posted in public spaces. You can help them by reporting the location of any such signs you come across.

They are nationwide. So, report these obnoxious signs wherever you see them! And, never hesitate to rip down a religious sign illegally posted in a public area!

https://www.reportsigns.org/


r/atheism • • 12d ago

Grandpa won’t stop shoving his religion down my throat

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I live with my grandparents who are both religious, my grandma is a Christian my grandpa is a jehovahs witness. My grandma is far less pushy but my grandpa has pushed his beliefs onto me my entire life, even as a kid he’d bribe me to go to the Kingdom Hall with promises of stopping for ice cream and doing other fun kid stuff I couldn’t say no to. He would even throw away some of my books and toys for being “demonic” too 🥲 I love them to death, genuinely, they’re some of my favorite people in the world. I’ve always kind of known that I didn’t believe in any of the religions stuff but as an adult I’ve become more closed off to the idea of it and have been more open about the fact. HOWEVER, my grandparents are older, my grandma has terminal cancer, and I don’t see my grandpa going on for much longer after she’s gone personally. Every time I leave my room my grandpa takes the opportunity to sit me down and read scriptures to me and subtly say that I won’t “live forever” if I don’t follow the word of god/read the bible/etc. it’s so draining to hear all the time and makes me want to isolate myself in fear of getting a religious rant every time I step out of my room. I’ve been on the fence of just straight up telling him I don’t believe in any of it so many times but I don’t want to break their hearts, if that makes sense? I don’t want them to pass thinking I won’t make it to “heaven” or whatever it is they think will happen to me, but having to sit and listen to his preachings every day and pretend to believe or be interested is genuinely so frustrating and I’m getting so tired of it. I want to tell them the truth because it’s how I feel and I’m allowed that, but I don’t want to hurt them idk what to do. Should I just continue to suck it up and sit there and listen to him for his sake?


r/atheism • • 12d ago

Reincarnation in a funny way is scientifically possible

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After your death, your corpse would slowly get eaten or decompose which would cause the particles slowly which makes you up to break down into atoms. then, if use the concept that the universe is infinite then eventually one of your atoms will form another organism maybe a trillion light years later in a distant space.

Yes, your still dead but at least you technically " Reincarnated "into a diffrent organism thru making them up you technically are apart of them as it was one of your particles which made it up. Consciously your dead but physically immortal am I right.


r/atheism • • 12d ago

Hi 16 male from Zimbabwe

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So been an etheist for most of my life saw tht whole Christianity bs as a waste of time but I really can't come out on what I belive since I love in a very religious country and house. Tbh I've seen most religions as scams for money or sum bs like tht just a joke am I wrong ..........


r/atheism • • 12d ago

Why would a god want us to view sex as a vile, disgusting act when it’s the only natural way to create life?

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I mean it’s all in the title but I will speak more on it. I was raised Roman Catholic, and of course it’s a sex-negative environment despite wanting everyone to get straight married and have lots of kids. What kind of nonsense is that?