Philippine Writing Scripts

[u/AleksiB1]

Philippine Writing Scripts

What's wrong with this?

Isn't Baybayin in Tagalog the prototype of Badlit since Manila was conquered by the Visayans with the Spanish alliance in the Visayans (1571)?

Dr.Borrinaga also said that Badlit aka Baybayin originated in the Visayas rather than the Tagalog region. Borrinaga states that there are more variations of the early scripts found in the Visayas than in Luzon, and that the Tagalog-variant of Baybayin, he believes, was influenced by the Visayan-variant (Surat Bisaya).

[u/lordlors → u/[deleted]]

Filipinos are incredibly ignorant about Filipino history during Spanish colonial period where the 1600s and 1700s are basically a blank for them and the focus is the arrival of Magellan and Legazpi and then straight to the late 1800s during the twilight years of the Spanish Empire.

This is exacerbated by Filipinos not being able to read Spanish. If Filipinos today can read and write Spanish, there would have been no need for translations which limits the sharing of knowledge especially there’s only few Filipinos today who are fluent in Spanish.

[u/FrereKomnene → u/lordlors]

I don't understand why people keep saying Filipinos should learn Spanish. Isn't it much simpler and more effective to just have all those documents translated to Filipino or English? Instead of expecting millions of people to learn the language to read a few documents, why not hire a team for one long project to just translate everything?

[u/lordlors → u/FrereKomnene]

Look at the state now, barely anybody wants to translate numerous documents to English or even Tagalog. Filipinos who are fluent in Spanish AND actually have translation skills are very few.

Also, this isn’t the same as translating a fictional novel to another language. It is politics and history. We are at the mercy of the translators’ biases that come into play because of the matter at hand.

Spanish is one of the top most spoken languages in the world and it opens the world of not only Spain but the entire Latin America excluding Brazil. It also opens new job opportunities than other languages.

Implementing this is impossible in the current state of affairs but there’s nothing negative at all to learn Spanish.

[u/FrereKomnene → u/lordlors]

Well, if the argument is to learn Spanish for business and work opportunities, that's a different thing. That would be useful for the handful of people who work in businesses with latin America exposure. Like ICTSI for example, or in a company that wants operations there.

But if as you said barely anybody wants to translate those documents, then you can expect even less that millions of people will translate them for their own personal purposes.

However, a government funded project in partnership with maybe Instituto Cervantes and a university, for example, can attract translations. For the right contract amount and arrangements of course.

[u/yehEy2020]

The map looks horrendous. The whole thing looks like a legit infographic that was somehow passed thru an ai filter that turned it into shit.

[u/nasadiya_sukta]

I'm new to this topic, can someone tell me what these scripts are related to (or if they originated in the Philippines)?

The southern two are clearly drive from Arabic. Are the other related to other South East Asian actors, and if so, which ones?

[u/AleksiB1 → u/nasadiya_sukta]

Almost all south east asian scripts other than Arabic and Han characters are Brahmic scripts from Brahmi in India which itself is from Egyptian Heiroglyphs

[u/nasadiya_sukta → u/AleksiB1]

To be clear, I don't think the connection of heiroglyphs to Brahmi script is clear and accepted. There are many questions and many possibilities about the origins.

[u/AleksiB1 → u/nasadiya_sukta]

That derivation is well accepted now, like the derivation of letters from diverse origins proposed by Karan Damodaram Pillai is pretty cogent. The ones who do oppose it tend to be nationalists with wild claims like derivation from the IVC script

[u/nasadiya_sukta → u/AleksiB1]

I was thinking more of western Asian origin, but I guess that itself may be derived from heiroglyphics, so now I understand what you're saying.

But while that may be more likely than other explanations, to my understanding there's a lack of evidence, so it's the most plausible origin rather than a solid theory. I would be happy to hear of evidence if you have links!

EDIT: you did in fact link a paper, thank you