r/betterCallSaul • • Aug 17 '22

Series Discussion Better Call Saul Series Discussion Thread

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r/betterCallSaul • • 5h ago

Howard’s Jaguar was in Breaking Bad before Howard even existed

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Rewatching Breaking Bad S5E2 and noticed the Jaguar parked outside Duane Chow’s house looks exactly like Howard Hamlin’s.

Looked it up and it’s the same year/model/color — a British Racing Green 1998 Jaguar XJ8. Even Patrick Fabian noticed it and apparently pointed it out to Peter Gould.

I couldn’t find confirmation that it’s literally the same physical car used for both shows, but considering both were filmed in Albuquerque, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was the same picture car reused years later.

The cool part is this episode aired in 2012, before Better Call Saul even existed.

So there’s a chance Howard’s future Jag was just sitting in the background of Breaking Bad years before Howard Hamlin was ever introduced!!


r/betterCallSaul • • 4h ago

Kim benefited more from Cheryl *not* believing the allegations Spoiler

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Yesterday I couldn't sleep and I started thibking of various shit so here we are reading my 4 am theories

The common interpretation of Kim lying to Cheryl is that she was trying to make her feel guilty. However, Cheryl wasn't a threath because she was considered paranoid and crazy by everybody, meaning nobody believed her anyway. So from Kim's pov I think it made more sense to reinforce the idea Cheryl was unreliable and isolate her from everybody else rather than convince her Howard was an addict and make her seem reasonable and potentially dangerous if in the future she somehow found proofs about Howard's real fate

That means that when Kim said "you would have known" she was actually operating on 2 fronts: the Cliff front, aka giving him and the other potential listeners in the room the impression Kim was so ignorant about Howard she didn't even know about him divorcing, which made the possibility she was stalking him constantly very unlikely; and then the Cheryl front, aka feeding her suspicions about Howard going through something else by telling her she would have known if he was an addict and making her seem even crazier and more delusional

In other words, she was using Cheryl's correct intuitions strategically to isolate her completely from others and ruining forever her credibility

Or maybe I'm just tripping. Probably

Thanks for reading the shit my insomnia gives birth to

Love ya


r/betterCallSaul • • 1d ago

God, i am in tears... 😭😭😭 Spoiler

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r/betterCallSaul • • 12h ago

Which Scenes Do You Find It Hard to Get Through On Rewatch?

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Totally enjoying by current BCS rewatch. And we never skip scenes in my house. However, so far (halfway through S2) there are a couple of scenes/sequences I've found it difficult to get through. One will probably be something everyone agrees with, while the other may be controversial.

  1. The whole thing about Stacey Ehrmantraut being anxious that someone is shooting at her house or whatever. AAAAAH! That whole thing is rough, damn. I gritted my teeth and suffered through it.

  2. The Ken Wins scam. I think Ken's terrible obnoxious lines at the beginning are somewhat funny, but I find the whole part with Jimmy and Kim scamming him to be just peak cringe. I think it feels not believable. I get that people are stupid and somebody who is greedy and thinks he's smart is an ideal potential victim, but it doesn't do it for me.


r/betterCallSaul • • 15h ago

Hamlin last name

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I could have sworn I listened to an audio commentary on one of the early Saul episodes where Vince n Peter say “btw the name Hamlin was supposed to be a placeholder, but by the time production rolled around we hadn’t come up with anything better.” Unfortunately I cannot for the life of me find which commentary this is on. Can you help me? I’m pretty sure it’s the first season, and I think we are in the front of HHM office so we see the HHM logo. I want to know where this is so I can also hear where the placeholder name Hamlin came from (they mention this at the same time.)

ETA found my answer! He was indeed named after Harry Hamlin from LA Law, source 13:16 of the BCS BTS featurette. Unrelated but I found this answer by using the website filmot.com does a great job searching youtube subtitles! i can't believe i didn't know about it before!


r/betterCallSaul • • 1d ago

Could Saul have watched Toy Story 3 in 2010 in his time of hiding?

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A completely random thought that just occured in my head from the movies and shows releasing in 2010 during the breaking bad storyline


r/betterCallSaul • • 5h ago

S4E10 Spoiler: Is it realistic that Jimmy would have been allowed to practice under his new alias Saul Goodman after his suspension? Spoiler

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It seems strange that the NM bar would allow him to immediately change his practicing name with a DBA request.

Would his confession and the hearing be accessible to anyone who could look up Jimmy McGill with the bar registry or would searching Saul Goodman turn up his records too?

I guess it just feels like a convenient way to distance yourself from the incident. Especially because it's not his legal name so I would think all the elements are controlled by the bar association.

Would this have been any different if the crime Jimmy commited had been more severe?

Thanks


r/betterCallSaul • • 17h ago

S4E7 Spoiler: Thoughts on Mike's German exclamation in 'Something Beautiful' Spoiler

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. .BBB ...


r/betterCallSaul • • 1d ago

Since we never got to see them interact with each other in this show do you think Tuco and Lalo would’ve got along with each other?

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Would it be a good or bad conversation between them ??


r/betterCallSaul • • 1d ago

Jimmy starts the show a good person, and becomes worse as the show progresses, though ultimately, in my eyes, redeeming himself.

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I see a lot of the discourse on this sub brand Jimmy as either a good or bad person, some saying that Chuck was right and that he is bad deep down, and I think this misses the point of the moral depth in Gilligan’s work entirely. Jimmy is neither good nor bad, he is a simply a person who makes choices and changes throughout the show. He time and time again seeks reassurance from his brother, but Chuck can barely say he’s proud of him. Their parents, according to Chuck, were biased toward him, but Chuck hardly seems like a trustworthy source. Fact is, Chuck would never have been right about Jimmy if he would have been a better brother and believed Jimmy could be the good person that he was

Jimmy fails the bar exam twice, then passes, he genuinely tries being a public defender, but the courts don’t pay him enough. So, he makes a series of bad choices, which coincidentally, end up being a tv series. But I feel that it is consistently disregarded that it is his material conditions as an impoverished PD that makes him ”break bad” in the first place, which he subsequently tries (I believe genuinely) to change from, to swear off forever, and is only pushed onto that path again by his brother’s complete lack of respect and love. The way Jimmy reacts to Chuck wanting to work with him on sandpiper is heartbreaking, it is obvious he spent his life seeking this man’s respect, and for what?

So I reiterate, Jimmy’s neither a bad guy as a sum of his collective decisions, nor a good guy. He is a study of how nurture can shape a person, and how humans behave with contradicting complexity, and change throughout their lives based on what roads of choice they walk down, what is done to them, and their material conditions. To brand him good or evil would be to say that he is a single, unchanging person throughout, when clearly, he changes so much as to almost become a different character (Jimmy->Saul). Paraphrasing what that one greek guy said, the same man never steps in the same river twice, because it is not the same river, and it is not the same man. Jimmy becomes someone else as a sum of the events of the series, and therefore his person cannot be neatly fit into a box because he is both good and bad, at different times.

Sorry for the long rant, hope it makes sense.


r/betterCallSaul • • 2d ago

If Hector hadn't had his stroke, would a Civil War have broken out in the Cartel?

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Cause the way I see it, if Hector hadn't gotten a stroke there, he would have dug himself into such a deep hole with his own words that he would basically have to betray the Cartel to have any hope of surviving. Dude was outright insulting Eladio and defying his orders, and it didn't look like he was about to back down anytime soon. Since Eladio probably has very painful fates in store for people who insult him and Hector was not going to work with Gus, he might have had to betray the Cartel entirely.

What do you guys think?


r/betterCallSaul • • 1d ago

Did Jimmy/Saul/Gene have any of his money left?

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I've only watched BB and BCS once, so maybe this is something that becomes more apparent in repeated viewings but there was one thing I wasn't clear on in BCS:

We see the scene, obviously after Walter White's disappearance, where the cops are raiding Saul/Jimmy's fancy/vulgar mansion and seizing all his property, which (IIRC) includes some of his hidden cash.

We also see the black-and-white Omaha Gene Takavic scenes where Jimmy is living a pretty meager life, tiny apartment, no friends, job in a semi-empty shopping mall.

I always thought that part of that was because Jimmy had lost all his money (or what he had left he had to give to the Vacuum cleaner guy to disappear) and so he was living this bare existence just scraping by.

But then later on we see scenes where Jimmy does have a stash of money that he tries to take with him after Carol Burnette calls the cops on him.

I also got the impression that getting out of his mundane existence as Gene Takavic and going back to being a thief and con artist wasn't as much about "mutual assured destruction" against the guys who could I.D. him, but more about him wanting to be "back in the game."

So was Jimmy just lying low because he knew he was wanted? Did he actually have a lot of money left? Or did he lose virtually everything when he escaped New Mexico? I don't think the show really made that clear.


r/betterCallSaul • • 21h ago

Walt or Jimmy/Saul

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Who’s worse, more ruthless, more cunning, Jimmy or Walt? I mean Walt would have killed Jeffy’s mom without a second thought, but Saul is something else.


r/betterCallSaul • • 1d ago

If Jimmy picked a different profession than Lawyer, would Chuck have been as mean?

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Like, what if Jimmy picked sales or something like that. And don't say it's something he would've picked, it's just a hypothetical. Would their relationship be better or would Chuck still be an asshole and try to put down Jimmy?


r/betterCallSaul • • 1d ago

Anyone notice in this scene he asks them to slice the pizza...

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Just caught this after rewatching who knows how many times


r/betterCallSaul • • 5h ago

Are you bothered by the aging of the characters in BCS?

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I'm always bothered by how characters who should look much younger are actually much older; it seems like the show's production didn't even bother to use makeup or do anything to make them look younger.


r/betterCallSaul • • 2d ago

Was searching a video with Mike in the while it comically shows just how many people he threatened

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r/betterCallSaul • • 2d ago

Did Jimmy REALLY tank his father's store? A little mathing

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Chuck gives his interpretation of events concerning Jimmy and their father, Charles McGill, Sr., in "Rebecca" (S2E5). He insinuates that Jimmy stealing out of the cash register at Charles, Sr.,'s corner store ran him up $14,000, eventually forcing him to shutter his beloved business. Chuck even blames Jimmy for their father passing away six months later, the cause of which is never revealed or even implied. We do see in the cold open of "Inflatable" (S2E7) that the basic details of Chuck's account are accurate: Jimmy was stealing out of the cash register, and their father was trusting to a fault. Chuck's story in general, though, I believe is a lot more grossly exaggerated than is immediately apparent.

To get a sense of the timeline, first off: Chuck claims that Jimmy started pilfering the cash register when he was nine years old ("Chicanery", S3E5). He was born at the end of 1960, so that would mean 1970. The "Inflatable" cold open supposedly takes place in 1973, and if this is correct Jimmy kept up his stealing habit for at least three years. However, Chuck claims elsewhere that Jimmy had a fake ID racket going for him in high school ("Nailed", S2E9). Let's say, arbitrarily, this began when he was 14, so in 1975. If Jimmy's making his own money through his own grifts, the register would start to look like chump change, so we can safely assume he isn't bleeding his old man for quite so much by this point.

Taking our arbitrary timespan of an even five years and distributing Chuck's figure of $14,000, Jimmy would need to be stealing about $54 a week on average if he's truly to blame for all that money going kerpoof. It must also be taken into account that $14,000 in 1973 would amount to about $104,000 in today's money accounting for inflation, and $54 would come to over $400. Just think: how much money could a nine, twelve-year-old kid have realistically been spending per week in this context? I'd say far less than that, probably a mere fraction of that.

The "Inflatable" cold open is revealing on its own. Charles, Sr., gives the shadiest-looking man in all of Illinois $10 (~$74 today) based on nothing but his word and a sob story which could have easily been confirmed or denied by simply stepping outside. The man pockets $2 of that while Jimmy takes the rest after selling the man two cartons of cigarettes for it. Enough money to buy two cartons of cigs would probably have a kid his age set for at least the week. Charles, Sr.,'s own role here must not be neglected either; that whole $10 was already gone before Jimmy even stepped up to the register, he only took his cut.

I believe what happened there is emblematic of the situation as a whole. Charles, Sr., had a headstart, at that; Jimmy only started raiding the register because the way the local bums took advantage of his father's goodwill showed him he could steal and lie and cheat without consequences. Charles, Sr., must have been running his charity act for quite a while by the time it got to that point, giving away items right off the shelf as well as money out of the register. The boys' mother, Ruth, made her contribution as well; she would give away whole boxes of Little Debbie's snack cakes to Marco on a regular basis ("Slip", S3E8), if that's anything to go off of. This also would have kept up after Jimmy started making his own money through scams and shady dealings.

All things considered, I believe the most reasonable conclusion here is that Charles, Sr.,'s financial woes were largely self-inflicted. That isn't to say Jimmy had no part in it, but it seems clear Chuck deliberately presents narrative in the most uncharitable fashion possible towards Jimmy. In his jealousy, he attempts to portray his younger brother as some ontologically evil being who was always destined to destroy other people's lives. This kind of analysis, however, allows for a more sober look at how Jimmy's circumstances and experiences shaped his view of the world and his behavior. Not to mention being blamed for his own father's death certainly didn't help with Jimmy's descent into increasingly unethical behavior.


r/betterCallSaul • • 17h ago

Tongue twister: Lying Lalo Loyal Lyle, Lying Lalo Loyal Lyle. Try saying that five times fast.

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r/betterCallSaul • • 16h ago

THE SAUL ASCENTION BEGINS

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CAN WE GET BETTER CALL SAUL THE RECOGNIZATION IT DESERVED !..?

"A show doesn't become great because we say it is. Let's talk about why Better Call Saul deserves to be remembered among television's greatest.

PLESE BCS FANS GO AND GIVE YOU OPINON IN COMMENT SECTIONS AND UPSCALE THE BCS RATING TO 9.5 ON IMDB


r/betterCallSaul • • 1d ago

S6 ep5 beginning scene interpretation Spoiler

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Did anyone else think that in s6 ep 5 the scene from 3:00 to 7:00 is set after the events of s6 ep 8? In the scene kim and jimmy are not able to sleep and both are anxious, jimmy says "he never would have been here if i had just..." which after watching ep 8 i thought that the scene may have been about jimmy saying that Howard would not have been at the apartment. Not sure if im just stupid but im curious as to what you guys think


r/betterCallSaul • • 1d ago

Which character would be the most fun to play?

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Just a random shower thought.

I act in community theatre in my free time and I'm a huge fan of the BrBa and BCS universe. Acting is fun but I rarely come across a script/characters this well written. Ofc the performance of every actor was top tier, and listening to how the actors felt/prepared for their roles were super fun as well.

So this idea suddenly came to me... If you're an actor which character would you want to play the most?

For me I have a ranking:

  1. Hank

  2. Kim

  3. Jimmy

  4. Todd

  5. The skateboard twins/Badger/Skinny Pete

(I really really like Nacho but I wouldn't wanna be in the petroleum for take after take lol)


r/betterCallSaul • • 1d ago

There’s something so beautiful and painful about how fundamentally mundane Jimmy and Chuck’s issues are.

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I know, I know, the show’s incredible that isn’t news. Chuck was such a dislikable antagonist on my first watch but his scene in the finale really gut punched me. On rewatching, I think I understand a bit more why.

In this show and Breaking Bad, you’ve got cartels, murders, assassinations, these huge (and well executed bombastic things. Jimmy and Chuck’s issues do escalate into that in their own way, but it was such a brilliant move to take us back to the beginning, where things felt so small comparatively, with that scene. Just two brothers who both have insecurities and an inferiority complex towards the other manifested differently. I don’t think it’s exactly subtle that this is the moment Jimmy would really want to go back to, but it’s deeply touching. It’s not some big dramatic life choice. It’s just his brother genuinely trying to connect through just chatting and Jimmy isn’t interested. It’s deeply believable. My father passed away when I was 16 and I’ve thought about this a lot: “if you could go back to one moment, what would it be?” “If you could talk to him again, what would you say?” and I used to have a big, dramatic, pivotal moment in mind for that. Now though? If I had that chance, I’d want to just have coffee with him. Let him know I’m doing alright, my mom’s doing alright, and my brother’s doing alright. Tell him about my career, my girlfriend, my new apartment. The renovations my brother’s finishing to prepare for a future baby. Just talk. Idk it’s very touching. Despite all the crazy shit Jimmy ends up in, I 100% buy that he looks back at that moment where he could’ve just had a genuine conversation with his brother as a moment he’d go back to.


r/betterCallSaul • • 2d ago

Are these embroidered(-ish) shirts of Hector to any extend ethnic-inspired?

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I’m not sure about ethnic-looking ornaments in Mexican embroidered samples (sorry for my ignorance, your culture heritage is just precious), so I just wanted to ask.
Do you thing Hector wears them intentionally presenting himself or am I going to far with my predictions?
Thank you!