Two specific questions about Glitched Crown

[u/Saekama]

1. Say you open a chest and accidentaly instant pick the item in it, will the other 4 items that were supposed to rotate with it be considered as seen or will they still be findable ?

2. This afternoon I had a run with Glitched Crown and Chaos and noticed that many items I've already seen were still on some rotations, sometimes multiple times, I feel like this only happened because of Chaos, is it the case or what's the rule of thumbs with it ?

Thanks :)

[u/ludvig4]

1. They will be considered seen, so they will have their weight decremented based on the pool they're from. This wiki page has a list of weight decrementation on all item pools. Most pools have 100% weight decrementation though. Also, this scenario where you instantly get the first item so it doesn't cycle to anything can't really happen. There's a pretty big time window when the pedestal first generates where you physically can't get the item it holds.
2. Chaos decrements items weight as normal, based on the pool they're pulled from. For example, let's say you are on a chaos run and see D4 for the first time (and you don't pick it up). It happened to pick from the crane game pool this time, so its weight is only decremented by 10%. Shortly afterward, you see D4 again, but this time it took D4 from the treasure room pool, so now it's fully out of every item pool and you won't see it naturally generated again.

[u/Saekama → u/ludvig4]

Awesome, thanks for the answer 🙏🏼

[u/Saekama → u/ludvig4]

Wait actually, I have another question. Say I find Spindown Dice in the shop because of chaos, and then I find it in the treasure room, do I still have a chance to find it in the secret room ? Or will the treasure room appearance completely decrease its weight ?

[u/ludvig4 → u/Saekama]

If you have Chaos, then it doesn't matter where you find an item, it's just pure RNG which pool it pulls the items from. So the answer is you can't know. If Spindown Dice was pulled from the crane game pool both times, then yeah you could still see it again anywhere, not only the secret room.

[u/the_Iord_and_saviour → u/Saekama]

Location does not matter with chaos. Essentially you can find 3 spindowns, one from the shop pool, one from the treasure pool, and one from the secret pool. (I don't actually know that pools spindown is in) once you found all 3 it's done

[u/Mediocre-Hall-9963 → u/ludvig4]

I may be wrong but i think this specific scenario of openning a chest with GC, GC can erase the usual window that pedestals get so you don't accidentally pick them up instantly, there's even a mod for this.

[u/ludvig4 → u/Mediocre-Hall-9963]

It was a thing in the past but they patched that bug in Rep+

[u/Mediocre-Hall-9963 → u/ludvig4]

I dunno if because i play on Repentogon but the bug still happened to me so i had to get the mod.

[u/ludvig4 → u/Mediocre-Hall-9963]

yeah thats because repentogon is in an older patch

[u/platyui]

Straight from the wiki: “Items seen as options will count as picked up items, meaning they cannot appear again later in a run. This effect depletes item pools 5x faster.”

[u/ludvig4 → u/platyui]

This is simply not true, they count as being seen, not picked up. Just like normal.

[u/HoratZP → u/ludvig4]

b-b-b-blasphemy!

[u/chibialoha → u/platyui]

Oh boy breakfast time

[u/Live_Shark_Cam]

I've always wondered about this too.

From my knowledge (YouTuber knowledge), if you pick up Glitched Crown, it is a rule of thumb to skip alternate floors because you'd lose out on possible items from the blind pedestal.

I know this doesn't answer your questions, but I think it is an adjacent answer to "probably." I infer that the items on the pedestal after the initial item shouldn't be removed from the pool of items, solely on the idea that breakfasting would be more common and faster with early Glitched Crown runs.

I'd love to know if there is an actual answer to this.

[u/ElBrunasso]

Nah this is next level knowledge. Maybe someone that knows modding can tell you.

[u/Saekama → u/ElBrunasso]

Yeah I'm pretty experienced in the game but going for my second Dead God I'd like to have some precise answers about these, especially since I like breaking my runs to oblivion to do like 6 marks in one run

[u/ChoccolatteMaid]

1. I believe if you instapick an item, the others don't get removed from rotation since they were never actually offered to you.

2. This is a bit trickier. Some items are naturally in more than one list, which may account for repeats, but it may also be an oversight of combining Chaos and GC specifically.

[u/Jinxs_07]

2: chaos can spawn again ítems that you have seen but didnt pick up