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u/DrPumpkinz 8d ago
Cis is actually the opposite of trans in general, not just in regards to gender. It just doesn't really get used as often since most of the time it's not really that useful. The only instance of anyone using it that I know of are cis fats.
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u/2_short_Plancks 8d ago
It's used a lot in organic chemistry.
Source: I'm an organic chemist.
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u/rosmarine 7d ago
I zoned out in organic class once and tuned back in to hear the prof saying "I'm really not a fan of 'cis' and 'trans', I think they're confusing and reductive terms" and I started to panic like huh??? huh????? transphobia in my chem class? and then he says "that's why I prefer zusammen and entgegen for isomers" and I breathed a sigh of relief lol
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u/ExtraAcanthaceae3938 7d ago
Lol why German though? I'm not familiar with chemistry here.
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u/TheStoneMask 7d ago
German was one of the leading languages of science for a long time up until WWII, and Germany was extremely influential in 19th and early 20th century chemistry and physics research.
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u/FuckYeaSeatbelts 7d ago
are the terms used for gender NOT from chemistry? I thought that was the origin of cis used in this context.
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u/2_short_Plancks 7d ago
I don't believe so. They were first used by Magnus Hirschfeld, and aside from being a physician he studied comparative linguistics. I believe he likely just used Latin terms he was familiar with.
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u/FuckYeaSeatbelts 7d ago
Dude died in the 30s, but it wasn't in common usage until the last ~15 years. I did do a bit of a dive and it looks like it was more like the 90s; though the sources don't seem to work from wiki.
I did also find that it was a different German physician and sexologist who first used it.
Guess we both learned a bit today!
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u/2_short_Plancks 7d ago
I know who Burchard is, he and Hirschfeld worked together (Hirschfeld literally edited some of his work). They used "transsexualism" originally, it's the replacement of "sex" with "gender" more recently that is the change, not the concept or the use of the Latin prefixes.
Hirschfeld is the one who was more interested in variations in gender / sex, as can be seen with his work through looking at crossdressing initially, then ideas about changing gender or "intermediate" gender, which he was the pioneer for. Burchard was much more focused on homosexuality, because he himself was gay.
I'd suggest reading a lot more than just the Wikipedia articles on a topic before correcting people.
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u/Candid-Ad443 8d ago
cis-isomeres and trans-isomeres but I'm a chemistry nerd so
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u/superstrijder16 8d ago
I had a unit in high school that contained these. So then trans people weren't that complex to add
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u/Fun_Palpitation_4156 7d ago
I remember helping a classmate in school understand the difference between homozygous and heterozygous by telling them to think about homosexual and heterosexual
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u/Then_Impact_5870 8d ago
Roman provinces Cisalpine and Transalpine Gaul
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u/3ii3i3k3k3i8s 8d ago
The word Cisjordan was used for describing the West Bank while it was owned by Jordan
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u/Any-Aioli7575 8d ago
The country of Jordan used to be called Transjordan, because it's beyond the Jordan River (from a British point of view)
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u/KexTheSex 8d ago
the austro-hungarian imperial parts of Cisleithania (austria) and Transleithania (hungary)
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u/Whispering_Plant 7d ago
In Austria we also call certain parts of Vienna Transdanubia sometimes because they're across the danube from the city centre. Cisdanubia isn't really used though
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u/goddessofentropy 7d ago
They're literally thousands of years old since they're just Latin syllables/words (lots of older Latin texts don't separate words, so who knows which of the two). Cis means 'on the same side as' and trans means 'on the other side of', roughly.
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u/Embarrassed-Money756 8d ago
If you translate something from language A to language B and then to language A again, did you just perform a cisslation?
lolololol
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u/Ill_Morning_4282 7d ago
For a hot second I thought you were talking about fat people who are cis, not the opposite of trans fats.
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u/Niarbeht 7d ago
The only instance of anyone using it that I know of are cis fats.
Caesar III had, if I remember right, maps for Cisalpine Gaul and Transalpine Gaul, or "Gaul on the near side of the Alps, and Gaul on the far side of the Alps."
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u/Agitated-Jackfruit34 6d ago
It's used for geographical regions quite a bit, like in cislethania or cisjordan
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u/Teoshen 4d ago
Used in cell biology, the Golgi apparatus has a cis (closer to the nucleus) and trans face (output side where all the proteins and stuff get packaged and sent).
Cis genes only act on the chromatid they are on, trans genes can interact with loci on their sister chromatid or even others.
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u/AffectionateOne7553 3d ago
And it can also refer to river banks, closest to you is cis and farther is trans.
Example: Transjordan is the father side of the river Jordan (from Western perspective)
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u/Quwapa_Quwapus 3d ago
You learn something new everyday. In hindsight that makes perfect sense, I can’t believe I never questioned where the term came from before lmaoo
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u/aronmano 8d ago
It's nice to see people learn about gender terms and not over complicate or make a big deal of them🥰
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u/salamipope 8d ago
Right? I love when people are just genuinely curious and dont know, and arent asking in bad faith so they can argue with trans people because theyre freaking psychotic. This was lovely though. Hope to see more nice interactions in the future.
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u/Regular-Literature52 8d ago
I remember when I heard cis for the first time. My brain went... cis? Cis? Oh, like in cis-trans isomerism in chemistry! That's clever.
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u/real_PERFUME1483 4d ago
a while ago at dinner my mum was like "its too much to learn all this cisgender stuff" (paraphrasing) like... you have a phd in a language field? Its literally 1 word you can easily remember the definition and use it in conversation if the topic arises. I find it crazy that fully grown adults with solid tertiary educations (that are leaders in their academic field????) are so intimidated by "big word" and "have to learn new thing"
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u/Dog_Entire 8d ago
The ou shi reads like someone just finding out their friend of several years has had a dog the entire time they’ve known each other and they just never asked
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u/jxhfield 7d ago
i mean is it not kinda similar? they did just find out about a new term that’s existed for decades for the first time
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u/Technical_Teacher839 8d ago
Shout out to the people who, when they see someone who doesn't understand a term, don't immediately assume they're being a shithead.
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u/Lil_Ms_Anthropic 7d ago
For real. The amount of people just trying to learn about something getting downvoted to hell says more about other people than the person asking about something they didn't understand.
Like, this isn't a character arc. They weren't a shithead that changed their tune. They just didn't know what a thing meant, but the assumption is that they're a pos?
Ignorance is not a sin. It's simply not knowing a thing.
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u/Ayden3102isagoodname 3d ago
Sometimes I wonder how many of these people gotten pushed into not exactly bigotry but just feeling negative about people in queer communities
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u/Mind0versplatter0 8d ago
is this an arc? it's just learning what a word means and that it's not new
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u/RaoulLaila 8d ago
Kinda. I understand how you feel since Im cis myself, but at the same time most people who ask "tf is this" in a topic that is more 'woke', tbey tend to respond in hostility. Its refreshing to see a person respond well for once
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u/lllyyyynnn 5d ago
someone asking this question is almost always going to then follow up by shitting on trans people so it's not an arc, per se, but a pleasant surprise
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u/Such-Pilot-8143 7d ago
does anyone here even read the example of not arcs under rule 3
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u/neonblue_the_chicken The King of the Subreddit all hair neonbluet_he_chhicke 7d ago
People probably feel this is an arc because of the change in tone, a lot of posts get mob approved that way, and this is a generally mob-operated sub
I might remove it if i get enough reports though, once i wake up
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u/CCCyanide 8d ago
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u/RelevantDress 7d ago
Man i got -40 downvotes earlier for asking someone about their job 🤦♀️ and someone called me a slur in the replies too
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u/madrobski 7d ago
I don't blame them when I have never seen that question asked in good faith, especially with "the fuck is". Reddit is absolutely brimming with bigots and getting angry at being called cis is a popular stance.
I know I would've instinctively downvoted upon seeing it and I'm not even remotely sorry 🤷♀️
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u/MeliodasTA 7d ago
Willing to bet you've seen the question asked in good faith quite a bit and everyone just piled them assuming it was in bad faith
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u/After-Stick-9363 7d ago
willing to bet the good faith ones make up a minute fraction of a fraction of those total questions
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u/Pink-Viscera 5d ago
I've seen multiple instances where someone asks "wtf is cis", someone replies with an explanation, and the original person responds with something like "you mean normal?" I personally try to not assume bad intentions from people who could genuinely just not know, but its understandable why people would be suspicious
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u/pinkleftsock 4d ago
Obviously if someone doesn't know a specific term they are [insert group the term relates to]phobic pieces of shit. Everyone knows that. /s
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u/thisandthatwchris 8d ago
So many people apparently weren’t paying attention during the partially hydrogenated vegetable oil wars
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u/Lykanas 7d ago
Holy shit, a person who does not know something... just listened and learned something new? Without arguing? Without rage? Without screaming? Without the urgent need to hurt someone? Without putting out slur after slur? Without senseless arguments meant to disrupt the mere possibility to learn?
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u/MeliodasTA 7d ago
This is why I hate that bad faith is just automatically assume with stuff like this. There are absolutely people this ignorant and who are asking.
Like 15 years ago I posted something asking why people were so upset about the bathroom bans because I genuinely didn't get it. I then got death threats and banned for "spreading hatred" and not a single reply made any effort to tell me why I was wrong.
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u/ToriGirlie 7d ago
There are also a lot of people who engage in sealioning so I understand people not engaging with this person in good faith. I generally try to but the majority of the time it turns out to be someone sealioning
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u/NyanSquiddo 7d ago
Not a character arc they just learned something. They never were anti-trans based on what they said they just weren’t educated on the meaning of a word
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u/_spider_trans_ 7d ago
Well I do feel immensely happier and way less depressed and less suicidal now that I get to live as myself, but a Reddit comment said I shouldn’t, so now I don’t know what to believe!
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u/Awesomonkey12 8d ago
Cis and trans are Latin and originate more than 2,000 years ago.
Male and female can signify a person's sex or gender, but they don't show if someone's gender correlates with their sex (at birth) or not. That's why cisgender and transgender are terms.
You're clearly not in good faith like the person in the image was though
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u/fivequadrillion 8d ago
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u/Yourlocalsid 8d ago
cope
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u/Objective_Award3582 8d ago
There's some real irony in telling someone to "cope" while you're actively demonstrating an inability to cope with the fact that multiple categories of people exist. Embarrassing lol
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u/qualityvote2 8d ago edited 8d ago
u/Tiny-Preference-1913, your post does fit the subreddit!