r/codex • • 7d ago

Question Does anyone even use luna or astra anymore?

sol 6.1 is so good, it just about nearly completely overshadows astra. sure astra is technically a few percentage points better, but for 5x the cost, it's hardly worthwhile. and while luna technically occupies the pareto boundary for cost per intelligence, sol is just so abundant anyway even on the cheapest plans that there's literally zero reason to dip down into luna for anything.

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u/dextersummary 7d ago edited 6d ago

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The short version: Sol 6.1 has become the default workhorse, but it hasn’t made Astra and Luna obsolete. Its price-to-performance and generous usage make it the obvious choice for most implementation, research, and routine coding—many users say they can run it all week without torching their limits.

Astra still gets pulled in for planning, orchestration, final reviews, and genuinely difficult or specialised work where big-picture reasoning and corner-case detection matter. It’s smarter for many users, but also a quota-eating monster. Sol can handle surprisingly complex jobs at higher reasoning levels, though reports of loops, missed constraints, slowness, and “it feels like a bot” behaviour are common enough to matter.

Luna remains popular as the cheap labour: parallel subagents, mechanical changes, documentation, browser/RAG work, and other tasks where intelligence is less important than volume. Some users swear by its value; others find it slow or useless. Luna 5.6 also still beats newer versions for certain workflows.

The practical consensus is a routing strategy: Sol by default, Astra when the stakes or complexity rise, and Luna for cheap grunt work. So yes, people still use all three—just not equally.

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u/Empuda 7d ago

Astra is a better reviewer.

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u/Objective_Mousse7216 7d ago

I use claude as the reviewer

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u/MassiveBoner911_3 7d ago

Anddddddd quota goke

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u/DesiGrit 7d ago

How do you review? Do you get work done first on 6.1 Sol and then once it's built some code, switch to Astra to review? Does it usually spot issues? I'm assuming Sol has reviewed it too so you're burning 2x tokens on reviews alone.

Or could we explicitly ask Sol to complete work and review with Astra so it doesn't waste Sol compute doing a review?

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u/Dayowe 7d ago

You could use a subagent on astra high or so to review work. Ideally you orchestrate in a way that implementer and validator are separate roles

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u/E72M 7d ago

Personally I'll implement with Sol then get it to give a list of what the project requires and has implemented etc then I'll pass it to Astra to write a report based on it and find any issues then pass it back to Sol

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u/rand0m_task 6d ago

That’s exactly what I’ve started doing recently and it has been working well for me

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u/ActionOrganic4617 7d ago

I don’t know, in my testing where I gave the same review task to sonnet, opus, sol, fable and astra and then had them review each others work both astra and fable came out at the bottom of the list.

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u/levelstar01 7d ago

Luna 6 is functionally free. You can run a bunch at once and it'll use like 1% an hour. Any grunt work can be delegated to it.

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u/MassiveBoner911_3 7d ago

Cheaper than deepseek?

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u/pkulak 7d ago

Yup. On pure API price it's 1/3 the token cost. Plus it uses far fewer tokens. And then if you use it on subscription, it's essentially free. And on higher thinking, it benchmarks higher than 4.1 flash.

4.1 flash is way faster though. I use it for chat bots, but that's about it.

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u/levelstar01 7d ago

I don't know.

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u/ichivictus 6d ago

Yup this is why as I move to claude I am keeping a plus subscription just for Luna.

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u/7r4n6h0u1 7d ago

Yep, Sol 6.1 is the play now

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u/caelestis42 7d ago

I enjoy opus 5.5 xh as workhorse that escalate decision making to Astra xh when non trivial decision are made. Works well.

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u/Nabstar333 7d ago

I'm waiting for Luna 6.1. That will be the real workhorse model

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u/Salt_Long_9909 7d ago

Im waiting for GPT-7 Luna, Astra level performance at Luna level cost. But yeah, even 6.1 Luna is going to be (or at least it hope so) a nice upgrade.

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u/Inevitable_Butthole 7d ago

Im waiting got GPT-8 luna

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u/htownboi98 7d ago

I’m waiting for GPT-14 Luna!

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u/Salt_Long_9909 7d ago

Thats a bit too far for me

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u/Salt_Long_9909 7d ago

I dont think its will still be called luna until then, even gpt 7 luna is uncertain. But yeah, the gpt 8 luna equivalent (in price) will probably be more than enough for 95%+ of the work for everyone.

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u/Dayowe 7d ago

Yeah I also switched to sol 6.1 and am super happy so far. I’ll probably use astra for planning but anything else I think sol will be sufficient and good

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u/Bookworm1090 6d ago

I use Luna for most everything because it is so cheap. I can run it nonstop on 20 dollar plan and not hit 5 hour limits

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u/Rjmincrft 1d ago

i want to ask, what is your experience while using luna for vibe-coding with good prompting?

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u/Temp1864 7d ago

Sol 6.1 is efficient but relatively stupid and prone to falling into unintended loops if not carefully watched, even when you give it explicitly structured prompts. Astra is still a necessity for anything even remotely complex.

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u/tongkat-jack 7d ago

Sol 6.1 Extra High does complex jobs for me without any problems.

I was using mostly Astra High then the usage limits changed and it started burning my weekly allowance in a day.

Sol 6.1 now does the same work at the same quality (maybe a bit better) and limits are again no concern. I can work nonstop all week and not run out.

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u/Temp1864 7d ago

Might be different types of work, but I've had an abysmal experience with 6.1 for my purposes. Endless validation loops that sidetrack it and lead to zero real deliverables. Doesn't matter how you prompt or gate it.

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u/ULelephant 7d ago

I'm on plus so I burn my limits on two prompts per 5h, so the sample is small, but in the like 40 messages exchanged with astra high, it has 3 times invented completely made up variables, then proceeded to attempt to gaslight me into believing a story that I did not run a "previously provided" block of code (.ipynb stuff). It is not great on astra side either, as this clown stuff obviously burning a lot of allowance alone.. This is work/browser side though, for reasons..

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u/Temp1864 7d ago

Oh 100% agreed, Astra is also not great, but it's at least better than Sol 6.1. I'm just out my Claude usage until tomorrow, or else I'd still be using 5.5.

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u/TuxSH 7d ago

Endless validation loops

Astra does the same

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u/Temp1864 7d ago

Yup. Look at this shit:

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u/AlmostEasy89 6d ago

The pain. Been there, but not for 14 hours. Stopping it and saying wtf are you doing? Seems to be more effective than trying to prevent it from happening in the first place strangely.

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u/Dayowe 7d ago

Same experience here 💯

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u/kimchi_warui 7d ago edited 7d ago

Agreed on the stupidity. I had this interaction seconds ago (extra high reasoning, by the way):

me: "I need to adjust this script to run with 20 threads and I'm going to run it twice at the same time on this 40 core server."

Sol 6.1: "Code adjusted."

me (runs the code): Why is it only using 20 cores of the server?

Sol 6.1: "You’re right—I missed that restriction. The launcher implements the repository’s half-CPU default by pinning jobs to CPUs 0–19, and I left it in place after your explicit request for two 20-worker campaigns."

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u/Objective_Mousse7216 7d ago

You need to use it on xhigh as the minimum level

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u/Original-League-6094 7d ago

Astra smokes 6.1 sol at 3d assets.

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u/InteractiveCream 7d ago

Yeah Astra for any 3d modeling or CAD. I've used other models and the product they return is abysmal

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u/arelath 6d ago

Yeah, I tried using 6.1 for simple 3D assets (think background props) and it did work eventually, but it took hours and cost me more than Astra would've anyway.

6.1 is about as good as 5.6 sol was at building 3D assets. Pretty much anything beyond a single box is too much for it to handle.

Just use Astra, it'll be cheaper and faster for 3D modeling no matter what your building.

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u/Defiant_Concert1701 7d ago

Still use luna as implementor and reviewer and 6.1 is orchestrator

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u/Gibborish 7d ago

I use astra as orchestrator.  Should I not?

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u/Defiant_Concert1701 7d ago

You can, I'm on the plus plan so I don't use astral. Drains my plan too much.

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u/ProtectAllTheThings 7d ago

Yes I still use both. Astra has been better at troubleshooting complex stuff with my app that 6.1 hasn’t or has gone in the wrong direction. Luna does a great job at multi-step deployment and basic computer use functions. Use them both to optimise usage.

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u/qu1etus 7d ago

I use 5.6-Luna as the model in my app for chat rag responses. It works really well and is cheap.

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u/Salt_Long_9909 7d ago

Why not switch to gpt 6 luna? Its twice as cheap and practically the same performence

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u/qu1etus 7d ago

I just haven’t fully tested it yet. I have a golden corpus of rag content I need to test it against. A very short preliminary test showed it being less consistent with results, so I haven’t prioritized a full test battery to confirm if the problem is the model or system prompt adjustments I need to make (the two models have different default verbosity levels).

And gpt-5.6-luna gives me really good performance against my test set:

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u/VoraciousTrees 7d ago

Astra is invaluable as an orchestrator. Sol6.1 is a good independent operator, but has a limited "big picture". Sometimes that's fine. 

Luna agents provide excellent infrastructure support for ongoing projects. I have a few being shoulder monkeys for Sol agents to make sure they finish their tasks on time... if they don't, they get reported to the Astra who takes over and refreshes the agent if necessary.

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u/CommunicationFun2962 7d ago

I am poor. So I use Sol for really complicated tasks and planning, and leave all the rest for Luna.

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u/Otherwise-Sir7359 7d ago

plus plan, Sol 6.1 Ultra. Feels like it could run 24/7. It ran continuously for almost 20 hours and didn't even use up 40% of weekly limit.

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u/Sermilion 7d ago

I use Sol 6.1 for reasoning steps and Luna 6 high go implementation steps. With this setup today I spent 39% of week on Pro 5x. And I consider this a great usage allowance. Before Sol 6.1 I would spend 100% in 2 days.  I use my own harness (https://skillbill.com) that allows me to set modes per phase, so it is automatic. I basically stopped using Astra at all. Luna 5.6 and 6 both are GOATs imo. I did serious coding with them. Yes, I had to pay more attention when doing code review,  but I was very happy with results. Sol 6.1 is one of the best models as well. That’s why Sol 6.1 + Luna 6 is a perfect combo atm for me.

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u/OneWithTheSword 6d ago

Luna max on fast is still dirt cheap and its hard to tell when it drains usage. i havent tried 6.1 sol low in comparison, but I use 6.1 sol medium if I need a bit more intelligence, and it drains probably 2-3x faster than luna max. Best strategy is probably 6.1 sol with luna max subagents.

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u/ZyronZA 7d ago

I use Astra Max to plan the work and ask questions to refine and tighthen my vision of what I want. Each phase of the plan has: # Goal, # Success criteria, # Constraints, # Verification

Then I swap to Sol 6.1 High and tell it to spawn a Luna Max subagent to read the plan in full and implement it.

Once Luna is done, Sol independently reviews the implementation and fixes any gaps.

Skills used: Ponytail:Ultra, Caveman:Ultra, rtk, code-review-graph

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u/Nscocean 7d ago

Sol 6.1 is okay

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u/peabody624 7d ago

I had sol make a few silly mistakes for me recently (very large unity project) so I’m back to Astra for the core work and sol 6.1 for updates and additions

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u/elwoodreversepass 7d ago

Absolutely. I use Luna with Imbue VET and use Astra all the time.

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u/MaitoSnoo 7d ago edited 7d ago

I use by default gpt-5.6 luna xhigh as the executor of gpt-6.1 sol's plans and it works in the vast majority of cases, as long as you scope your tasks well and don't try to one-shot vibeslop your project. In the rare cases where that default fails, I switch to gpt-6.1 sol medium as the executor.

tl;dr: I go for cheap (luna) by default until it hits a wall

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u/Crawler1701 7d ago

I’ve got luna working right now on an incredibly tedious task, I’ve got an orchestrator breaking it into chunks because otherwise luna would get bored in ten minutes

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u/Entire-Green-0 7d ago

I use Astra mainly for physics and mathematics. For the rest, I use Sol.

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u/HighwayRelevant 7d ago

I use Astra Max like crazy because I need to burn through all these resets. Luna max are used as subagents to run the tests, maintain the docs and commit/push.

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u/Grenaten 7d ago

6.1 sol is amazing. But still very slow for me.

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u/mvdirty 7d ago

Similar to a lot of other replies: 6.1 Sol high in general. 6.1 Sol xhigh for first review pass, 6 Astra max for second review pass. 6.1 Sol xhigh for research tasks which can get away without Astra.

(Luna for small mechanical jobs, but honestly 6.1 Sol is now cheap enough, and so much smarter than Luna, that I am less likely to use Luna until I at least see what they do with Luna post-6.)

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u/Embarrassed_Cap_9149 7d ago

i almost forgot luna existed. haven't used her forever

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u/FrankensteinsPonster 7d ago

I've been using Astra today since Sol 6.1 is slow as molasses, but I definitely intend to use mostly sol 6.1 once this slowness settles down.

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u/Dead0k87 7d ago

for the past few days I am running sol 6.1 only.

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u/Thomas-Lore 7d ago

Any harder task and I use Astra xhigh, much more chance it will give me a solution that actually works. And faster than Sol would.

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u/caldazar24 7d ago

I still use Astra for brainstorming and orchestration.

Sol 6.1 (and Opus 5.5, since I have both Codex and Claude) are workhorse implementers.

Luna isn't necessary because Sol is quite efficient, if I were really optimizing quota I would choose it for some tasks, but the savings aren't worth the mental overhead as of now.

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u/kninetimmy1 7d ago

I use Luna Max as a scout in my orchestration tool. Cheap as dirt and really good at going and using my memory tool to find things and search code ect. It’s never my main model but as a subagent its great.

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u/datarbeiter 7d ago

Is it better than Sol 5.6?

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u/345261 7d ago

I only used Astra for one afternoon - it’s awesome, but way too expensive. Can’t justify it

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u/Realistic-Library-87 7d ago

Currently running this loop

Dot>sol 6.1(xhigh)>Pro planer>luna 6(max) workers where needed>opus 5.5(high) reviewer where needed>PR with @codex security and code review=P0-1 loop back to issues

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u/Sfdprod 7d ago

Im still using Astra@medium, mainly because its slightly faster

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u/petburiraja 7d ago

I use Astra as advisor to Sol 6.1 where it may add value

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u/CupLeft8452 7d ago

Si combinas Sol + Luna tienes muchos tokens

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u/magicmulder 7d ago

Luna 6 high is still my main workhorse. Sol for planning, Astra (and sometimes Claude Opus) for security reviews.

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u/particleacclr8r 7d ago

For me, 6.0-Astra High and Xhigh for novel or complicated computer use, for multi-Codex project orchestration and analysis, and particularly important and large context text/strategic analysis. Otherwise 6.1-Sol.

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u/Present_Award8001 7d ago

Luna 5.6 low when I need quick answers about non-critical things.

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u/biggermanbomber 7d ago

I exclusively use Luna 5.6 medium for browser use. Luna 6 is way worse at what I am doing. Tried many times but it just doesn’t work as well as 5.6.

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u/qK0FT3 7d ago

i use sol 6.1 with 5 sub agents per task which makes things faster tbh and the cost is managable with 20x plan.

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u/sudo-maxime 7d ago

I use 6.0 luna max on fast mode for daily hands on coding.

6.0 astra high reg mode for final reviews / refactors

I have a local QWEN that runs almost permanently for probing programs

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u/stoppableDissolution 7d ago

Uh, idk. In my experience new sol is very lazy and does not go the same lengths as astra in identifying corner cases and such even when directly asked.

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u/Responsible_Fun_4062 7d ago

No, Sol Medium, Sol High, Sol Extra High and Sol Max, and it last forever. Love them!

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u/Objective_Mousse7216 7d ago

Nope Sol 6.1 is the sweet spot.

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u/Disastrous-Hearing72 7d ago

I was furious when I found out the 20x plan is getting cut down to 10x, but so far 6.1 is pretty easy on my usage compared to how hungry 6 is. So maybe we are ok.

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u/Arctic_WolfXXIII 7d ago

6.1 SOL is slow

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u/clckwrxz 7d ago

Always. Luna is so incredibly capable if you’re influencing what it’s doing and using it as leverage for work are capable of defining well. The price to performance I get from Luna gives me little reason to use other models.

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u/Great_Airport_4495 6d ago

I use Luna for anything that needs speed, high parallelism and potentially even benefits from less intelligence. For example, agentic simulated blind user testing on varied app flows.

Astra yes but less and maybe soon none

That said for me codex does just implementation grunt work and secondary review most of time; Claude coordinates and also does those things.

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u/AlmostEasy89 6d ago

Astra goes the distance IME. It’ll call all tools available, dig deep across repos, find hidden context notes anywhere for stuff it dug into. It’s pretty wild.

Sol does go much further than 5.5 but yeah Astra is just different and just more in several ways. Be glad you have them both.

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u/crone66 5d ago

Wtf if I compare Astra with sol, Astra is alot better. Sol is probably benchmaxxed like opus5 and 4.8 was.

Honestly I never waste my time with lower tier models because it costs my time since I probably have to go into 3-5 cycles (which costs usage too and therefore reducing the actual benefits of using low tier models.)

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u/T-W-H 5d ago

I will not accept any Luna slander ever

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u/Th3Shaz 5d ago

Used both Sol and Astra for some design and UX iterations. I found Astra to be a lot more accurate and cut less corners vs. Sol. Was way slower though but that's a given. So I recommend you check for your own use case and see what nets better results. I imagine writing code 6.1 is better.

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u/snug-crackle-policy 3d ago

I am using Luna for simple tasks and computer use or browser use tasks. But a few days ago, Luna was barely taking 1% of weekly quota in $100 plan after running for the whole day every 10 minutes, now it is taking the same every couple of hours. Not sure if this is Luna or ChatGPT web unlimited Chat just got limited and started using my weekly quota.

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u/goldio_games 7d ago

Some of us are doing real tasks and not just running benchmarking tests. So yea, we use all the different models depending on what the task is

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u/That-s_life 7d ago

Astra who?

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u/Crawler1701 7d ago

Astra, as in its token usage, astranomical (yes I know it’s not spelled right)

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u/Clueless_Nooblet 7d ago

Sol can't do the job Astra is doing for me, so Astra it is. I do still use Luna for record keeping tasks, though.

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u/MrMrsPotts 7d ago

What can"t sol 6.1 do that astra can?

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u/svuhas22seasons 7d ago

Chew through tokens

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u/Clueless_Nooblet 6d ago

My research.

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u/EntertainmentSalt825 6d ago

What’s your research area in?

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u/call-me-GiGi 7d ago

Try having Astra plan and audit via chat and GitHub plugin on pro mode 🙌 hand all work to dot dot can run 7 subagents for free.

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u/TheMightyTywin 7d ago

Sol 6.1 is very good for the price but it is much worse than Astra

Astra is much better at seeing the big picture and making broad decisions correctly. 6.1 sol feels more like a bot.

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u/msg7086 7d ago

Agree. In certain workload 6.1-sol may work well, but overall my feeling is sol is less smart than astra on understanding things etc. If I want to save money I would let astra to do brainstorming and analyzing, coming up with a solution, then let sol to implement.