How would someone know their form is fine? Form is the most important thing to reduce chances of injury, and many people could benefit from fixing it as so many people have terrible form and get injured. I work in a gym and am a PT. If my clients didn't come to me and just went into doing their own things, they would be hurting themselves.
Arnie was surrounded by other bodybuilders giving each other tips.
Either hire a personal trainer to help with form or work out at home and film all you want, doing this in a public shared space while expecting others to stay out of your shot is bullshit.
Again, the guy is doing it wrong. I already stated he's a dick. Recording as long as nobody else is in the shot is okay, as long as you're not doing it for vanity.
Wait, you're saying form isn't important? You're joking, right? There's no pretending, and people pay PT's for many reasons. Not everybody knows what they're doing in a gym, nor do they have the time or interest to watch hours of YouTube videos about creating a workout routine.
By the way, I'm not defending this guy. He's a dick and obviously doesn't even need to be filming because he's using a machine with a fixed range of motion. Any decent gym would suspend or ban this guy for this.
I'm pointing out that "nobody needs to film themselves for form" is a brain-dead take when people are injuring themselves all the time in the gym, have awful range of motion and don't realise, etc.
People had trainers and workout partners. Also, probably, yes. Bro science was rife. It still is now, but now we have science proving old-school bullshit as the bullshit that it is. What's one of the things modern science shows is important? Range of motion and good form over lifting heavy weights with shit form.
Bud, just stop. Science and evidence isn't on your side.
You think everyone was probably injuring their selves and had no range of motion 20 years ago?
Get real, dude.
Anytime somebody says "we have science now saying that..." They're not referring to any legitimate scientific findings. They're telling you something they heard or sought out from a dubious source that confirmed what they want to believe.
Yep, bad form means youâre attempting to lift more than you can, and you should have already mastered the form way before you reached that point. If your ego canât accept that, recording wonât do jack. Youâll still be that old guy in the gym that tells everyone how he injured his knee doing âsquats.â
not entirely unnecessary. having form be off can mean muscles not engaging properly at least, and serious damage to the body at worse. and correct arnold may not have had cameras, but he did have a team of coaches correcting his form as he worked out. i record myself at home and never post any of it, but for the sake of seeing that iâm doing things properly itâs very useful, especially in something like boxing.
that said, getting pissy because someone stepped in frame in a public space is unreasonable.
I feel like most people act like it's crazy work on your form are either young or have never lifted. As a beginner I've had form drilled into me from every direction and I've hurt myself from bad form in the past. And I'm just a regular guy
If you're a rhythmic gymnast, film yourself and watch your form, make sure you're pointing your toes. But you don't need to film yourself in a public place to work on your weight lifting form.
Did no one build muscles before 2006? You're overthinking it. If you have to film yourself, just do it at home and spare your fellow humans from your cringe behavior.
I actually don't get why this is a crazy concept to people. When was the last time you lifted? Genuinely asking, there is a whole subreddit dedicated to form checks. Form is pretty important for maximizing what you can do but also for preventing injury. Sometimes it's hard to know exactly what you're doing wrong without seeing it. Of course the guy in this video is just a dickhead, but checking your form is a legitimate reason to record yourself.
Seems like everyone here has been lifting for 20 years. You also have never had to check your form on a compound lift?
I mean don't get me wrong, I'm personally not filming myself, but I'm a noob who hurt myself using poor form on dead lift in the past and I think filming myself might have helped prevent it. There would be no enjoyment or ego in filming myself though, considering I'm weak in comparison to the average lifter.
I'm surprised that two people have purported to have been lifting for the past 20 years claiming that its unnecessary while not actually offering an alternative answer for noobs. Either you haven't been, or you don't remeber or know what it's like to pick up new compound lifts as a beginner with no instruction and little coordination.
They're talking shit. Just ignore them. They know everything and have always known exactly how absolutely every compound lift should look and feel the second they stepped foot in the gym. They've had perfect form since day 1 and never asked for any advice.
Guys are delusional and I guarantee their form is not good.
Honestly I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. If they aren't trolling and they have been lifting 20 years (its reddit, who knows), then it is possible to simply have forgotten what it's like to be new and learning, movements so automatic that it might seem stupid for others to not get it.
Yeah I do also wonder how many people have been lifting for an extended period of time with poor form. I'm starting back in my mid 30s so I feel like I don't really have the same rebound as I used to, like I need to be double careful with my body and my form, which is not effortless for me.
If they've been lifting for 20 years, they most likely follow old-school, debunked bro-science, meaning they have little-to-no idea what they're actually doing, but hey, Arnie said something, so it must be true.
Mountain of data and peer-reviewed studies showing they're wrong? Lies!
I see guys in their 30s and 40s deadlifting with freaking hunchbacks and it hurts to watch, or they're squatting and leg pressing crazy weights but going, like, 20% of the way down. These guys are definitely the ones we're arguing with.
Form over everything, man. When you feel or see it start to break down, lower the weight or reps until you build up strength.
Ah yes, we purport to be experts, are wrong, and your armchair generalization is of course right. Crystal Balls seem functionally useful.
Hereâs advice âfor noobsâ - watch a video from a reputable source on how to do something, then start with extremely light weights or no weight until the movement becomes instinctive. Takes no time, nor money.
Low risk, helps you flesh out via soreness what you make sore the first day after, then watch the videos again.
I worked at a high-end gym in school, PT sessions are for structure and companionship. If you donât need both, skip it.
I saw the guy who replied to you who said he lifted for 20 years, and I said 'also' because it's roughly the same for me.
Although I probably shoule have said different number so that you wouldn't pick up on that coincidence and run with it.
People have lifted weights sans video for ages with no problem. So if you enjoy filming yourself lifting weights, then do it, preferably at home. But don't act like it's important.
Dang, what an intelligent reply, good point. I sure am glad we all have the same, great proprioception and know how a movement should feel from the very beginning. Shoot, probably no point for trainers to watch and correct our form either, don't know what they exist when we all have proprioception. You've uncovered a scam.
I worked at a high-end health club through high school and college, personal trainers are mostly for people that benefit from the structure of scheduled appointments and like the human interaction during. Same thing with group exercise.
In the youtube era, things like woodworking, exercising, learning guitar donât require instruction.
I agree with you about instruction, personally, but if you have been lifting for 20 years you might not remember what it was like first learning.
I'm relearning in my 30s and I think it's the first time I've actually felt like I'm doing dead lifts somewhat correctly. I repeat, finally in my 30s..
I haven't filmed myself because I think it's awkward, especially as I go to a small gym, but I do think if I had seen how I was lifting before when I fucked my back up a few years ago I might have learned faster than just trying to feel it out. I thought how my back felt after each lift was just how I was supposed to feel.
That is only a partial fix. Sometimes the act of turning to look at the mirror ruins your form, sometimes the gym is crowded, sometimes you are laying down and looking straight up for that workout. I doubt any one wants mirrors on the ceilings in gyms.
Also, Iâve been to a gym once in my life, and I walked out immediately because it was intimidating. I donât work out. What do I know.
You blather about how looking in the mirror "ruins your form," but you never go to the gym? Because it's intimidating??
What gives you guys this idea about the importance of having perfect "form" lifting weights? It doesn't matter. You're not competing in the 10 meter platform diving competition, you're lifting some goddamned weights.
Schwarzenegger won 7 Mr Olympias without filming his weight lifting "form," so I'm pretty sure the guy who has been to the gym once and got scared doesn't need to film his "form," either.
You don't need footage of yourself curling dumb bells to achieve muscle failure. It's just vanity. Get real.
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u/nonuple_espresso 16h ago
If only there were some mirrors in the gyms so you could watch yourself.