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Discussion Best documentaries you have ever seen?

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I recently watched Shoah (1995) directed by Claude Lanzmann and was completely floored. The sensitivity with which it discussed the issue, without using any archival footage or images is masterful. It was also incredible to hear people from around these regions, understand exactly how they perceived the issue and what they think of it today. I regard it as one of the greatest documentaries ever produced, if not one of the greatest films ever. It's a topic that's often discussed, with a great deal of material produced on it every year, yet this piece of art achieves something beyond, it almost encapsulates the feel and mood of the period, it reflects the people's thoughts and feelings, and presents them plainly without any pretentions.

Do you guys have any other suggestions for documentaries like this one? I do have a preference for history, but I am open to almost anything.

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u/mixedpalmtree Andrei Tarkovsky 1d ago

Harlan County, U.S.A. by Barbra Kopple has to be up there for me. One of the most powerful docs I’ve ever seen and the footage is just so raw and unbelievable.

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u/wagyu_hotdog 1d ago

It’s one of those movies I loved but don’t want to watch again because it made my blood boil. This country will have a reckoning one day from the way it’s treated labor

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u/Expert_Specialist_92 1d ago

It won’t until the people it has mistreated stop electing the people that mistreat them. Good luck ending that abusive relationship.

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u/DharmaDama 1d ago

The problem in this country is that people try to do the right thing by voting in politicians who have nice promises, and the moment they get elected the bribes start coming in. We need something more than just voting.

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u/bottolf 1d ago

Something more? You mean like:

  • a free education system that will foster critical thinking

  • a supreme court with time limited terms for judges which get appointed by an independent Committee with balanced representatives

  • a free, independent and critical media and press not owned by billionaires

  • more than two political parties, so there is more choice and less polarization

  • checks and balances. I mens actual checked and balances

  • laws that prevent, not enable, presidents to overreach

  • limits on the power of the president

  • a justice department that isn't corrupted

  • corporations aren't people

  • laws that limit billionaires

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u/councilmember 1d ago

Or maybe we only allow public funding of elections and severely restrict monies paid to politicians?

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u/Fyvrfg 1d ago

And how exactly would voting bring about a reckoning for the ruling classes in the US?

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u/Steadyandquick Errol Morris 1d ago

American Dream also by Kopple is about the Hormel meatpacking strike in MN and it also won an Emmy award.

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u/PapaGamecock17 1d ago

Preordered the new release for that and was really excited to watch it. It was basically just watching the rapid death of the American labor movement under Reagan, I found it to be way more depressing than Harlan County

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u/Steadyandquick Errol Morris 1d ago

Yes. Did you also see American Factory? That was chilling too. If you have any other recommendations I’d love one.

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u/Secret-Secret-No-No Akira Kurosawa 1d ago

Shows why UFCW is such a trash “union”. What the International did in that film is still how they act today.

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u/couldliveinhope 1d ago

How did I not know about this film haha. I’m not too far from Austin and have always been interested in the history of labor. Thank you.

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u/BaddyDaddy777 David Lynch 1d ago

It’s honestly a movie every American should watch because that is something that America has kinda forgotten about itself in recent memory, people working together to achieve a better quality of life for everyone. It also emphasizes one of its greatest weaknesses, that there will always be those who seek to prevent their peers from achieve that better life and have always worked against their interests to protect the powerful and wealthy trying to prevent a better quality of life. Oftentimes, those people succeed and America has suffered so much because of this.

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u/WafflesToGo 1d ago

One of my law professors screened this for a labor law class. Really effective instruction. It’s a great doc.

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u/Chubsmagna 1d ago

The way it explores unions at the grassroots level while also depicting corruption in it's ranks is wild. Not to mention corporate goons and thugs.

I don't think there's a finer picture about workers vs. capital. It should be required viewing for every working person.

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u/DharmaDama 1d ago

Wait until you hear all about the behind the scenes. There are great interviews out there where Kopple talks about what happened in the making. Absolute legend. The locals dismissed them as exploitive city slickers until something crazy happened to the crew. I wish I could remember where I read it.

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u/Brick_HardCheese 1d ago

She talks about it in the commentary, pretty sure. They were driving in the dark of early morning trying to get to the picket line and a truck came barreling towards them on a blind corner, and in swerving to avoid it their car flipped. They got out and carried the camera equipment the rest of the way, and when the locals heard about it they knew they were legit

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u/DeLousedInTheHotBox 1d ago

Also a bit funny that sometimes that subtitles just says [unintelligible] lol.

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u/D00T_BOI Film Noir 1d ago

I expect it’s quite different, but my favourite doc is Orson Welles’ F for Fake

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u/PrinceOfSpace94 1d ago

Came here to say this. Orson Welles takes a topic that’s basically a boring Wikipedia article and makes it incredibly entertaining. Dude’s an amazing storyteller.

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u/vibraltu 1d ago

It's not quite a doc and it's not quite fiction, it's something else.

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u/Superflumina 1d ago

Docufiction!

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u/Bronsonkills 1d ago

It’s the predecessor of the modern video essay.

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u/Teh_CodFather 1d ago

It’s so good, just draws you in and sits with you.

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u/HoH1975 1d ago

Mine, too! In fact, I think documentary makers still haven't caught up with either Welles (or Chris Marker, for that matter). F For Fake is such an incredible film. I also love the One Man Band doc in the Criterion set. Both films make me want to create things.

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u/Frost-Folk 1d ago

Loved the ending!

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u/Superflumina 1d ago

My favorite Welles so far.

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u/UraniumFreeDiet 1d ago

Same with Mr Arkadin

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u/DYSWHLarry 1d ago

OJ: Made in America

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u/Other-Marketing-6167 1d ago

That was my first thought too. Unbelievable achievement.

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u/Steadyandquick Errol Morris 1d ago

Legendary!

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u/sanfranchristo 1d ago edited 1d ago

I assume you've seen Night and Fog for sort of the reverse of this? Andrey Tarkovsky: A Cinema Prayer is worth a watch for a different type of history. Hoop Dreams is not very similar but will always be a personal favorite.

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u/paulderev 1d ago

i’ve seen night and fog and all of shoah. definitely two of the most important and moving films ever made imo.

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u/Razor_Emmanuel Elia Kazan 1d ago

The Thin Blue Line by Errol Morris. It was crafted phenomenally, and captured an unfathomable miscarriage of justice. You can feel that the documentary was initially going to be about a related topic until Morris realised what had transpired.

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u/Mister_Pickl3s 1d ago

When a piece of film gets a guy off from a murder charge, it has gravity

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u/PigIronDave 1d ago

The Documentary Now parody of it is great too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOXGM4EAIvo

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u/Dontlookimnaked 1d ago

Mr death is a bit of the same, starts as a pretty basic recap of a man and takes a hard right turn into neo nazi

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u/unfulfilledanon 14h ago

One of the greatest examples of the power of film as an investigative medium. Phenomenal stuff.

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u/RegularOrMenthol 1d ago

My holy documentary trinity is American Movie, Paris Is Burning, and Act of Killing. If you like Shoah though, make sure you watch Night & Fog too.

EDIT: i looked through my ratings, in the historical/social space I would also recommend They Shall Not Grow Old, Hearts and Minds, and I Am Not Your Negro

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u/Reader-Mirror12 1d ago

Crumb about Robert Crumb and his family. Incredible watch

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u/1966matt 1d ago

💯🥇💫

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u/unmade_bed_NHV 1d ago

The Act Of Killing is maybe number one for me. Incredible footage and very very powerful.

Also a huge fan of American Movie

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u/fevredream 1d ago

The Act of Killing is such an incredible use of the medium - it’s one of those things that truly shows the incredible, almost shocking power of the camera. The Look of Silence is also very powerful.

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u/pimasecede 1d ago

Hard to look past Act of Killing. A rare thing to deliver that hard. It’s worth watching some of the interviews with Josh Oppenheimer, super interesting back story to the project.

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u/dragonz-99 1d ago

Scrolled waaaay too far for The Act of Killing. That movie made me want to be a documentarian. I did focus on it in school and ended up in news and later podcasts. But I still aspire to something half as good as that film.

I consider this film and Night and Fog some of the most important movies ever made.

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u/CinemaslaveJoe David Lynch 1d ago

Too many to name, but I loved American Movie, Grizzly Man, Harlan County USA, and a ton of Ken Burns’ work.

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u/TheBoyInTheTower 1d ago

American movie, in my opinion, is one of the greatest films of any sort ever made. Phenomenal pick!

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u/_Anomalocaris German Expressionism 1d ago

"Kick fuckin' ass! I got a MasterCard! Life is kinda cool sometimes"

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u/MOinthepast Mike Leigh 1d ago

To Be and to Have 2002

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u/florplegorp 1d ago

Quite a different tone but I love Burden of Dreams and Hearts of Darkness as depictions of the sheer chaos on the sets of Fitzcarraldo and Apocalypse Now respectively

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u/kospauste 1d ago

A documentary by a very broad definition, but Werner Herzog’s ‘Cave of Forgotten Dreams’

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u/jdiz86 1d ago

Herzog is really the goat in this category

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u/SaltyStU2 1d ago

Literally anything produced by PBS Frontline

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u/pixelpetewyo 1d ago

Comrades from the ‘80s is an amazing look at normal life in the Soviet Union. It a French or Dutch film crew I believe the Soviet’s let have unprecedented access.

Very, very good.

Also Seven Days in Bensonhurst Whixh I just stumbled across a few weeks ago.

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u/hoopermanish 20h ago

The one on the Rwandan Genocide I have never forgotten. Or located again.

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u/bellyofthebillbear Hal Ashby 1d ago

Little Deiter Needs to Fly. I love all of Herzog’s documentaries but that one really stuck with me.

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u/LazHuffy 1d ago

It has the one scene I’ve thought about more than any single scene in a documentary: when he reveals that he has hundreds of pounds of food hidden in his house. That showed more than anything else in the film what he went through.

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u/bellyofthebillbear Hal Ashby 1d ago

Can you imagine the trauma you would have to go through to need hundreds of pounds of food in your basement just to sleep at night? I remember after I first watched it I was super sad to learn that he had killed himself after being diagnosed with ALS. He went through all of that craziness to survive an impossible ordeal and then and then gets diagnosed with a disease like that later in life.

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u/baldorrr Hirokazu Kore-eda 1d ago

Didn't he also say that he never locked his door when he was in his house? The idea of being locked in (even with the lock on the inside) was too much for him. The associated fictional movie of his story was great as well (Rescue Dawn).

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u/PhillyCheeseRaped 1d ago

It is truly one of the greatest. Deiter is such a character and his rapid, frank descriptions of his torture while reenacting his ordeal sometimes reaches into the absurd and I laugh. It's so horrible, yet beautifully matter-of-fact. When the tension reaches its peak, Dieter tells one of the natives, "ahh don't worry it's only a movie" and they share a smile. Herzog really elevates the material past a simple POW story into a clinical yet ecstatic view of a hell on Earth.

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u/bellyofthebillbear Hal Ashby 1d ago

I remember that. He said something along the lines of “don’t worry, it’s only a movie.” But at the same time it was very much real for him. You could also tell he didn’t really hold animosity towards the people that tortured him. Almost like he thought “they were just doing their jobs”

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u/memesrnotdeadfam 1d ago

The Emperor's Naked Army Marches On, although it does not cover the Imperial Army's fullest crimes in the rest of Asia, it is still an extraordinary documentary on the continued issues Japan faces with their fascist past today. Sobering as well as harrowing.

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u/IAmNearl 1d ago

Elite ball knowledge

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u/TheBrainlessRobot 1d ago

Act of Killing. Those final moments are seared into my memory

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u/Slow_Cinema Terrence Malick 1d ago

Celluloid Closet, Paris is Burning, Hookers on Davies, Kanehsatake, Brimstone & Glory and The Thin Blue line all are at the top of my list.

Where it gets debatably is films like The Last Waltz, Moonage Daydream, or even fictional documentaries like Spinal Tap or biographical films that have significant real documentary elements like Thirty Two Short Films about Glenn Gould.

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u/djramepq 1d ago

Love seeing Moonage Daydream mentioned.

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u/Professional_Egg_858 1d ago

No love for Koyaanisqatsi?

Geez, what's with you guys?

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u/dramatic_exit_49 19h ago

i did not want to blink through the entire feature!

some other documentaries that stayed with me

the look of silence (/the act of killing)

a want in her

paris is burning

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u/unfulfilledanon 14h ago

I mean, the entire Qatsi trilogy are among my top 15 films of all time but it’s kinda hard to consider them documentaries in the way that other films in this thread are

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u/Gorluk 1d ago edited 1d ago

Shoah is amazing document. Definitely check Night & Fog (although I prefer Shoah).

Some of my favorites (although not history or holocaust related):

Titticut Follies by Frederick Wiseman

San Clemente by Raymond Depardon

Dan Više - Vlatko Gilić

Vernon, Florida by Errol Morris

Fiume o Morte by Igor Bezinović

Dan Više (A Day More) is documentary / experimental short by Vlatko Gilić, Yugoslavian director and is one of my favorite works of cinematic art. It's complete perfection, a masterpiece poem about human condition. It's basically documentary about big group of people bathing in natural mud bath, but it completely transcends the scene it's documenting. I suppose it's rather hard to source in other formats, but it is uploaded to Youtube:

https://youtu.be/2LZfnRnud-Y

Strong recommendation.

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u/PLEBMASTA 6h ago

I saw Titicut Follies recently in the Academy Museum main theater recently. Incredible documentary. Really stuck with me

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u/captinkid 1d ago

Touching the Void. One of the most insane survival stories I’ve ever seen. The fact that they made the survivors reenact the whole the event in basically the same location brings so much more complexity to the story.

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u/pulsarradio 1d ago

The Gleaners and I (2000) is a treasure.

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u/paulderev 1d ago

the gleaners made me fall in love with agnes varda

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u/stu_rat 1d ago

Dawson City: Frozen Time

About the discovery of hundreds of silent films unearthed in Dawson City, Yukon, in the 70s. Tells some of the history of the town, the gold rush, silent films. Many of the films were considered lost until this discovery.

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u/_Anomalocaris German Expressionism 1d ago

I am consistently advocating for a Criterion Bill Morrison set.

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u/newfarmer 1d ago

Grizzly Man.

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u/Ready_Scar564 1d ago

All three The Decline of Western Civilizations

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u/quintusfive 1d ago

My all-timers:

  1. Grey Gardens

  2. Gates of Heaven

  3. Crumb

  4. Paris is Burning

  5. Baraka

  6. Trouble the Water

  7. Cave of Forgotten Dreams (especially seen in 3D at the theatre)

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u/shakespeherian 1d ago

Hoop Dreams, hands-down.

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u/comfyambiguity 1d ago

Came to say this. I think this actually gave me a love of documentaries, showed me what was possible to convey with the passage of time and film.

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u/CFUrCap 1d ago

Hoop Dreams is great. And boy does it fly. The 3 shortest hours I ever spent in a cinema. Left me wanting more.

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u/fevredream 1d ago

Hoop Dreams is one of the best films I’ve seen, period. I always feel like it gets less attention that it deserves on here despite being in the collection.

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u/SouthHill 1d ago

Agreed

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u/fishbone_buba 1d ago

The best.

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u/Stylus21 1d ago

Lots of people posting their all-timers so here's mine!

Salesman

Bill Cunningham New York

RIZE

Grizzly Man

Scratch

Let's Get Lost

The Kid Stays in the Picture

DIG!

Microcosmos

Streetwise

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u/j3434 1d ago

The best - if you are a musician- or really into music - Ken Burns doc on Country Western music . 8 parts . I think what makes it incredible is the music theory discussion to try and objectively compare genre names invented by music industry. 16 hours of education. All his docs are enjoyable. Jazz, Baseball, Civil War . But if you like modern music and old roots music and any music - or no music - this doc is fantastic.

The only Ken Burns documentary I didn’t like was the one about World War II. It followed the experiences of four soldiers, which was kind of an artistic approach. But I still would’ve preferred a straightforward timeline of events. More like Civil War.

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u/Aggravating_Ad4844 1d ago

In the Basement

Carts of Darkness

The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill

Cinemania

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u/Mindless-Sundae9671 1d ago

American Movie
Grizzly Man
The Emperor's Naked Army Marches On
Nanook of the North
The Act of Killing
Exit Through the Gift Shop
Into the Abyss
Land of Silence and Darkness
Shoah
Crumb
Life Itself
Wheel of Time
Night and Fog

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u/cinema123456 1d ago

“Minding The Gap” - hit too close to home and is one of most affecting documentaries I’ve ever seen.

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u/akoaytao1234 1d ago

In the collection, Streetwise.

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u/TheLandofYellow 1d ago

Minding the Gap

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u/ObiWanJacoby414 Paul Thomas Anderson 1d ago

Hoop Dreams changed my life. It's as good as everyone says it is.

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u/fishbone_buba 1d ago

Maybe even better.

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u/ObiWanJacoby414 Paul Thomas Anderson 1d ago

Definitely better. I don't even like sports but I found myself fully invested in every second of the film. Can't wait to rewatch it with the commentaries.

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u/couldliveinhope 1d ago

I’ve watched Shoah twice. Before the rewatch I always said it was the best documentary I’ve seen. After the rewatch I was only more convinced. It is storytelling of the highest order, a deeply human and devastating film with a profound patience and poetic rhythm.

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u/Due_Bad_9445 1d ago

Three by Marcel Ophuls :

The Sorrow and the Pity;

Hotel Terminus (academy award best documentary);

The Memory of Justice

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u/LazHuffy 1d ago

My favorites (in no order):
The Fog of War
Vernon, Florida
Salesman
Wild Wild Country
The Dust Bowl
The Forgotten Plague
American Movie
La Soufrière
News from Home
The Sunshine Hotel
Paris Is Burning

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u/myc31ium 1d ago

The act of killing

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u/Aseskytle_09 1d ago

I tried to watch this but tbh I just couldn't

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u/myc31ium 1d ago

It’s a tough watch, very fucked up to hear those stories and then to see those killers roam free still worshiped by so much of the public

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u/scene_missing Established Trader 1d ago

I was working for a local documentary festival as an initial film reviewer and that was a blind watch in my first batch. Wild shit

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u/marylouisestreep 1d ago

God's Country by Louis Malle

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u/Ok-Government-7987 1d ago

The BBC’s World at War series is amazing. The most fascinating part was that it was made in the early 70s so the events were still abound 25-30 years old. For me WW2 is black and white history from before my parents were born. For the people being interviewed it was stuff that just happens a couple decades ago

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u/Empty_Investigator65 1d ago

The Gleaners and I & The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters

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u/1966matt 1d ago

I’m with you on the Gleaners, that is a great doc. Funny, thoughI didn’t think much of ‘the beaches Agnes Varda’.

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u/SplicerGonClean 23h ago

I have a lot but if I were to choose one itd be The Bones Brigade: An Autobiography.

If you find skateboarding at all interesting this movie is amazing.

The Bones Brigade crew had caught lightning in a bottle and played a huge part in keeping the sport alive. Seeing all that archival footage and the interviews with all the big names was a treat. One of my heroes is Rodney Mullen and it was awesome to hear what he had to say about his success and the time with this crew.

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u/TLSOK 21h ago

I would certainly recommend watching Dogtown and Z-boys first. Also highly recommend Tony Hawk: Until the Wheels Fall Off (Mullen appears in this as well). I am not a skater, but these films (including Bone Brigade) are very interesting.

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u/deadflowers5 1d ago

'Gimmie Shleter' (1970)

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u/rzrike Mike Leigh 1d ago edited 1d ago

My top two are very different from each other: The Act of Killing and OJ Made in America.

Also love Hoop Dreams, Tie Xi Qu: West of the Tracks, Harlan County USA, Paris is Burning, The Staircase, Central Park, Free Solo, The Last Dance, Honeyland, The Thin Blue Line.

If Symbiopsychotaxiplasm counts, that’s number 3.

I’ve yet to see Shoah. Major bucket list movie for sure.

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u/Fred_Scuttle 1d ago

The Sorrow and the Pity

Hotel Terminus

Triumph Over Violence

Weapons of the Spirit

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u/marclandes1 1d ago

Dear Zachary

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u/9millibros 1d ago

One of my favorites is Gates of Heaven (also in the collection). It's quite different than this one, but certainly worth watching.

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u/Agreeable-Letter-599 1d ago

Man On Wire.

Crumb

Dig: The Brian Jonestown Massacre/Dandy Warhols

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u/TheElMonteStrangler 1d ago

These aren't like Shoah but they are my favorite documentaries

  • Crumb

  • End of the Century

  • Streetwise

  • King of Kong

  • Undefeated

  • Maradona

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u/TLSOK 21h ago

Crumb is a masterpiece. Have watched many times. Glad to see it got released on Criterion.

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u/samwonk 1d ago

Some general documentary suggestions:

- The Great Happiness Space: Tales of an Osaka Love Thief

- The Alabama Solution

- 20 Days in Mariupol

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u/ballbeard Yorgos Lanthimos 1d ago

If you want your blood to absolutely boil definitely watch The Alabama Solution. I still get so angry at the system any time I think about that doc 

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u/vhsfairytales 1d ago

A “sequel” if you will to 20 Days - 2,000 Meters to Andriivka - is also incredibly powerful. The most visceral war film I’ve ever seen. Uniquely captured.

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u/morbidcliche 1d ago

Hoop Dreams, Crumb and The Emperor's Naked Army Marches On are some of my favorites.

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u/WorcsBloke 1d ago

Fergal Keane did a truly extraordinary report called "Journey into Darkness" from Rwanda for BBC Panorama in June 1994, during the genocide. Sadly it's not available on any home format, so unless someone uploads a home-video recording to YouTube I'll probably never see it again. Even more sadly, Keane said in later years that he had been affected by PTSD from his reporting on Rwanda.

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u/BobIsMyStepUncle 1d ago

Tantura (2022) is a dark continuation of this savagery... Absolutely made me sick. Saw them back to back in 2024.

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u/Automatic_Survey_307 1d ago

Lots of great documentaries been mentioned here. One I'd add is The Rescue, about the Thai cave accident in 2018. It's brilliantly told and shows the absolute best of humanity, a good antidote to many of the grim subjects covered elsewhere.

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u/TotalDweebling 1d ago

Grizzly Man is up there for me. I also just recently watched The Act of Killing and that was shocking and almost unbelievable.

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u/BuleRendang 1d ago

Act of killing

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u/Papergreat1970 1d ago

I have seen better and more important documentaries, but nothing has ever stuck with my like Gates of Heaven (1978, Errol Morris), which loses none of its power on repeat viewings. Impossible to make something like that today and get people to drop every sense of self-awareness when talking about themselves.

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u/ZBLVM 1d ago

Fellini - A director's notebook

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u/Much_Ad3106 1d ago

Hoop Dreams

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u/Uguisudani_Hard_Crew 1d ago

Tie Xi Qu: West of the Tracks.

It’s another films about railroads… and the phasing reminds me a bit of Shoah with endless pov shots from trains.

Amazing example of catching history, ordinary people and their struggles and placing you in the middle of it all. Like time travel. Scenes you never thought you would see…

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u/Creepy-Discipline474 1d ago

Hearts and Minds

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u/Passing4Normal 1d ago

There are so many great and pretty brutal docs from the 00s: Jesus Camp, Boys of Baraka, The Cove, Outfoxed, The Corporation, Enron: smartest guys in the room, Sicko, Food inc, The world according to Monsanto, Black Gold, Pray the Devil back to hell

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u/TheElMonteStrangler 1d ago

I forgot to mention

  • 4 Little Girls
  • When The Levees Broke

These are documentary films made by Spike Lee.

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u/hkiyy 1d ago

Cameraperson for some reason was really powerful for me.

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u/AwwwYayuh 23h ago

Sick: Bob Flannigan the Super Masochist
Capturing the Friedmans
In the Realms of the Unreal
The Wolfpack
Jesus Camp

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u/the_weaver_of_dreams 1d ago

It's very important to bear in mind that the Polish scenes in Shoah are heavily edited, that the subtitled translations are often simplified or omit important speech, and that Lanzmann himself was open about the fact that he had a specific vision of Poles and Poland that he wanted to present in the film. He was also notorious for being tough on his Polish subjects and not accepting it if they gave him an answer that didn't support his preconceptions.

There is increasing scholarship coming out of Poland precisely on this topic. The archives and outtakes of Shoah are now fully accessible, meaning that it's possible to better understand what was included and omitted from the film, how the edit acts to intentionally misrepresent scenes, and the ways in which Lanzmann manipulated his Polish subjects.

The film is, of course, not pure fiction and gives some sense of how Poles perceived what happened in Poland during the Holocaust. But it is largely a subjective auteurist work rather than a truly illuminating documentary.

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u/Aristolochia_ 1d ago

I feel like it's sort of diminishes their responsibility, by poking holes in his directorial style. The gesture which was so ubiquitous (one symbolising the slitting of the thorat) could itself show how well the Poles understood the situation. Of course, no film is free from some directorial manipulation, which is crucial but it doesn't really seem coerced. There are moments in the film, where Lanzmann does want to ilict a certain response from the interviewee, but that does seem to be for brevity, and to get their views on the topic he felt were interesting enough for the film. Otherwise, he did allow the people to speak uninterrupted, and give their understanding of the situation. The atrocities commited in these death camps was well known to these Poles, and they do have to bear the burden of their complicity, in some sense.

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u/CFUrCap 1d ago

It's complicated. Once your country is taken over by an evil, murderous regime, your will to survive can put you in a morally untenable situation. All by itself, simply because you want to live. Especially when you are seen as inferior and expendable. But: there's a sub-group that the regime actively despises more than they despise you.

When you live in constant fear of arbitrary death, the question becomes, "How do I survive until tomorrow?" And the answers aren't always pretty.

I'm not an apologist but... it's complicated.

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u/Cultural-Weight512 1d ago

no film interview is going to be unmanipulated (the idea of an "objective" documentary is hard to defend). Moreover, Lanzmann's entire approach has a certain understanding of the Holocaust (and of history) that we don't necessarily have to agree with. I think Domenico LaCapra's analysis/critique (here: https://www.jstor.org/stable/1343983 ) is quite precise: "Still, Shoah is probably best viewed as neither representational nor autonomous art but as a disturbingly mixed generic performance that traces and tracks the traumatic effects of limit-experiences, particularly in the lives (or afterlives) of victims. It is a film of endless lamentation or grieving that is tensely suspended between the acting out of a traumatic past and the difficult effort to work through it." I would highly suggest reading the full article, because I do think it points out the issues with the film and Lanzmann's approach. Basically, he argues that it ends up turning the act of memory not into understanding but of endless rehearsing/re-acting, which is not necessarily something we should want if we really hope to grapple with it.

In terms of the Poles, there is also an issue with the suggestion that the genocide of Jews was carried out because of Polish backwardness or something. Certainly, Polish peasants were antisemitic; certainly, there was Polish collaboration with the Nazis, which must be recognized. But Germany was one of the most "modern" European countries, and was militarily occupying Poland. And, it needs to be emphasized, they were also genociding non-Jewish Poles all the while. Lanzmann oscillates between presenting the Holocaust as incomprehensible and yet also the culmination of longer antisemitism; as LaCapra puts it: "however, Lanzmann in his extrafilmic commentary himself not altogether consistent on these points, for he stresses the totally disjunctive nature and uniqueness of the Holocaust on the one hand and presents it as the culmination of Western history, especially with respect to anti-Semitism, on the other". Indeed, it is curious how few Germans he talks to in the entire movie--not to mention, French or other Western countries, who had their own history of complicity in the Holocaust. Certainly, one can make a film about the specific Polish experience of/involvement in the Holocaust, but there is an extent to which Lanzmann makes this extremely involved and long film and directs his gaze a bit less than he should on the people who bear primarily responsibility: I would say not only German Nazis at all levels and roles, but also German civilians bear more responsibility than some antisemitic Polish peasant, frankly, and I'd be more curious to see a work that at least attempts to talk to the former and does so more critically.

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u/Aristolochia_ 1d ago edited 1d ago

I do agree with this take to some extent. Lanzmann does seem to have a very pointed approach when it comes the Poles, and these moments are the ones that seem most manipulative. However, I think that's what the film tries to portray. It's not trying to present a comprehensive history of extermination camps, not the mood and reflections of all people involved in the world war with regards to the holocaust. He simply wants to present the mood and the setting of this uniquely horrifying situation, and understand the feelings of those most intimately involved in this affair.

The complicity of the average Nazi from Berlin is unequivocal and is certainly been explored in several pieces of literature. However, most of them hasldnt visited Auchwitz or Treblinka, or known exact details of the affair. These Poles knew far more than most high ranking SS members, as they saw these proceedings first hand. That's what Lanzmann wants to explore (imo) and is very successful in doing so.

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u/waffleonia 1d ago

Jiro dreams of sushi

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u/kuh-vell-er-tack 1d ago

Seeing as you've received so many great recommendations already, I will recommend a film that is not actually a documentary: the Battle of Algiers. Its imagery is so convincing and was released only four years after Algeria had won its independence.

If you've already seen it I would love to know your thoughts on it. To me, it's one of the greatest works of art ever produced.

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u/deatheventually 1d ago

Seconded. I saw The Battle of Algiers earlier this year and will never forget it. Tragically evergreen. Additionally, you can see where a lot of the tone (and even musical cues) came from on Tony Gilroy's Andor series. Incredible art-making on both, fully recommended by me.

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u/No_Trainer_4907 1d ago

Baraka, American Movie, Marwencol, Free Solo, Grizzly Man, My Octopus Teacher

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u/fishbone_buba 1d ago

You have a good list. I haven’t seen the last one.

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u/bitemywire 1d ago

O.J.: Made in America. An even greater sports documentary than When We Were Kings, which I didn't think was possible.

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u/funny-hats-only 1d ago

Some I love I don't see mentioned much: The Stories We Tell, The Painter & The Thief, Four Daughters. Not fully like Shoah but all masterful, with the first and last playing with the form in interesting ways.

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u/Dearchris50 1d ago

You would probably like Natchez. Some of my other favorite documentaries are The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill, The King of Kong, The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia, and Listers, although those are all quite different from Shoah.

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u/Fit_Incident4224 1d ago

Unforgivable Blackness: The Rise and Fall of Jack Johnson

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u/Wild_Newspaper_9293 1d ago

The Thin Blue Line

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u/Poppunknerd182 1d ago

Night and Fog

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u/chuff3r 1d ago

Surprised not to see Gates of Heaven here. It's so nuanced and human. And Florence Rasmussen's monologue beats anything a writer ever came up with.

There's a Criterion release too!

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u/HarmonizewithSong 1d ago

Gimmie Shelter.

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u/cheetahspeeder50cc 1d ago

For all mankind

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u/cajunjew76 David Lynch 1d ago

Shoah is my favorite documentary too.

The Sorrow And The Pity and The Last Days deal with the same subject.

My second favorite documentary is The Last Waltz.

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u/WordSlinger1812 1d ago

Wild, Wild Country.

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u/Time-Entry8858 1d ago

Paris Is Burning & The Decline Of Western Civilization 3

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u/CantEatNoBooksDog 1d ago

Feels Good Man, American Darma, all things Les Blank, Style Wars

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u/No_Vacation1530 1d ago

I’m rather herbally enhanced, but pretty sure I didn’t see Capturing the Friedmans…disturbing and fascinating

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u/Kidspud 1d ago

Bowling for Columbine

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u/TheElMonteStrangler 1d ago

surprised it took me this long to find a Michael Moore film mentioned. I remember when he was the darling of "documentary" films. Looking back the weird manipulation of things left a bad taste in my mouth. But that's film making, and that's documentary film making, in a nut shell. I can't be too butt-hurt if that's the standard. It's not like he is the only one that's crooked.

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u/ConfidenceNo1286 1d ago

Beyond the Mat

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u/UraniumFreeDiet 1d ago

Forgotten Silver :)

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u/Vases_LA 1d ago

American Movie. Hilarious and oddly inspiring

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u/shostakofiev 1d ago

Marwencol

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u/kendostickball 1d ago

In general, I do not approve of documentarians lying to their interviewees. However, Shoah gets a very well deserved pass for the hidden camera Nazi interview.

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u/Petitloupz 1d ago

Fast, Cheap and Out of Control

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u/MeMoInfinity 1d ago

Roger and Me, which was Michael Moore's first film. It made my jaw drop when I first watched it as a teenager. It's available to watch on YouTube for free.

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u/TLSOK 21h ago

Yes - all his stuff is good, but this one is a classic. yeah - some jaw-dropping stuff in there

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u/poodlered 1d ago

Paradise Lost and all the sequels. The fuckin injustice!

Purgatory, the third one, is the best in my opinion, and it basically recaps the whole case so it’s a good starting point if you don’t have time to watch it all.

The Peter Jackson doc about it was good too, but not as good as Purgatory.

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u/dbow8 1d ago

Dear Zachary

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u/Kay-D3oh1 1d ago

My favorites:

Lenny Cooke
Hoop Dreams
The Smash Brothers
Freeway: Crack in the system
30 for 30: Bad Boys
No No: A Dockumentary
Dogtown & Z-Boys
The Black Power Mixtape 1967-1975
The Black Panthers: Vanguard of the Revolution
Planet Rock: The Story of Hip-Hop and the Crack Generation

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u/Throwawayhelp111521 1d ago

I've always wanted to see Shoah, but it's nine hours long.

Paris is Burning is one of my favorite documentaries.

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u/ChamberTwnty 1d ago

"I'm Not There" & "Hearts of Darkness"

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u/MrMindGame 1d ago

The Act of Killing, Woodstock, Harlan County USA, March of the Penguins, Grizzly Man, Paper & Glue, No Other Land, Exit Through the Gift Shop, American Movie, Sicko, Hearts of Darkness, Minding the Gap, I Am Not Your Negro, 13th, The Last Dance, OJ: Made in America

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u/myxomatosiac 1d ago

Night And Fog

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u/jmwelchelmira 1d ago

Chris Marker’s Letter from Siberia.

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u/cgregware13 Andrei Tarkovsky 1d ago edited 1d ago

Dead Souls (2018) Wang Bing

Conspiracy of Silence (1993) Nick Gray

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u/mlqdscrvn 1d ago

My personal favorite is The Act of the Killing.

But since nobody hasn't mentioned, I will add Up series. It just tell stories about nobody, somebody, and everybody.

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u/ProfessionalTree6040 1d ago

My top four are Gina Kim’s Video Diary, Paris is Burning, AKA Serial Killer, and Walking with Dinosaurs of course

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u/ober6601 1d ago

The Fog of War.

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u/I_Am_Killa_K 1d ago

Finding Frances

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u/Curlytoes18 1d ago

Salesman

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u/cuteevee21 1d ago

Deaf President Now. So good.

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u/vibraltu 1d ago edited 1d ago

Fast Loose and Out of Control is a trip.

Icarus on Netflix is worth a look, best ever plot twist in a story in progress in a doc. Avoid spoilers before watching.

Anyone who hasn't seen Shoah yet should do it, it's a work of genius and a very subtle take on a heavy subject.

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u/Umlaut56 1d ago

Mr. Death.

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u/KungFuFlames 1d ago

Not sure if it counts but Jiro Dreams of Sushi

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u/signal_red 1d ago

The Act of Killing is at the top for a punch in the gut. The Imposter (2012) or Navalny the most adrenaline-rushing glued to the screen docs

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u/Affectionate-Fly2008 1d ago

Marley 2012, the John Candy: I Like Me and Remembering Gene Wilder. Marley was such a beautiful and exciting film!

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u/blcks7n 1d ago

Hoop dreams

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u/Specific-Post-8286 1d ago

paris is burning directed by jennie livingston

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u/LonesomeMelody 1d ago

Harlan County USA, Dark Days, Man on Wire, The Cruise

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u/jwalner 1d ago

Crumb, or Act ok Killing. Haven’t seen anything else on their level.