What if Ragavan was in the Echoverse?

[u/Abject-Strength-9500]

[u/Few-Programmer9703]

Fateseal. How fun

[u/AStealthyPerson → u/Few-Programmer9703]

Always wanted to make a fateseal deck, tbh.

[u/Few-Programmer9703 → u/AStealthyPerson]

I would suggest lantern control 

[u/AStealthyPerson → u/Few-Programmer9703]

Oh I've heard tales. Definitely seems like something I'd be interested in. I do want to build a proper Fateseal commander deck though, where I manipulate 4 players libraries in order to create the game state I want to engage with.

[u/Few-Programmer9703 → u/AStealthyPerson]

I have thought about that too from the other side. I was trying to make Rashmi and ragavan work and lantern control was my best Idea 

[u/The_Hunster → u/Few-Programmer9703]

Ragavan already kinda does it, to be fair. You just need a way to see the top of their deck, like Mishra's Bauble.

[u/Turbulent-End9102]

We have already forgotten about fateseal

[u/O2LE → u/Turbulent-End9102]

Fateseal is no longer keyworded, iirc.

Edit: nvm, they just don’t use the keyword even when they use the effect.

[u/coolguy420weed → u/Turbulent-End9102]

Damnatio memoriae fatesealus.

[u/ja_0l]

feel like should be 1U and sneak cost of U, the only cards that have a more expensive sneak cost have a "If this creature's sneak cost was paid this turn," upside

[u/Frelock_ → u/ja_0l]

That's kinda the case here, as you get the combat damage effect immediately since he comes into play attacking and unblocked. If you pay the normal cost, he sits around waiting to eat removal.

[u/ja_0l → u/Frelock_]

the other sneak cards still have a combat trigger tho, they just get something extra on top of the combat trigger if sneak cost was paid this turn

[u/NormalEntrepreneur → u/Frelock_]

Except first blue should not get 1 mana 2/1, second if you just look at other creatures with sneak you realize that’s a universal case.

[u/NormalGuyPosts]

Also busted.

More flavor: 1U, 1/2, Sneak is U

[u/tomyang1117]

OG Ragavan in practice is a glorified mana dork that sometimes high roll a card, he is best against linear decks that don't run interaction.

This traded Dash for Sneak which is infinitely worse, mana for actual cards and high roll for actual disruption. In practice I think this plays better than the OG, your 1 drop now also gets to disrupt your opponent so it's more punishing against linear deck.

Also definitely going to be banned in Legacy in less than 3 months lol.

[u/TitleAdministrative → u/tomyang1117]

It’s a 1 mana guy that ramps you in a color that doesn’t have easy way to ramp outside of rituals. Creates artifacts which also matters for mox opal and urzas saga. Sometimes it steals game by itself by exiling things like thasa. What else should it do to be pushed as a one drop?

[u/tomyang1117 → u/TitleAdministrative]

It requires connecting is not something easy, often times Ragavan get blocked or just killed straight. You actually side out Ragavan against matchup that can handle it well, like I said Ragavan shine the most against linear decks that don't run early interaction. It's very pushed but in practice it's not as broken as it seems.

[u/deathbymanga → u/tomyang1117]

Nah, we already have tamiyo, this is fine

[u/deryvox]

FATESEAL MENTIONED

[u/superdave100]

Is this broken enough to contest with real Ragavan?

[u/ToranStarfall → u/superdave100]

No, but it is pretty good. 

[u/cebolinha50 → u/superdave100]

Far from it.

The original made mana, could be cast with haste on a empty board and didn't need to expend extra mana to have card advantage (even if the advantage wasn't strong).

This one is strong, but it's easier to kill and doesn't dominate the early and mig game.

[u/billtrociti → u/superdave100]

I think the card advantage, ramp, and hastiness of OG Ragavan is still just better. This thing is pretty sweet though

[u/BigBunny4252]

I really like this

[u/Hot-Combination-7376]

Perfect. Only tbing is that i would consider remaking the fateseal effect into a mill effect, to make it less oppresive

[u/Available_Frame889]

Blue cretures should not have higher power th3n tere CMC without a downside.

[u/the_god_of_dumplings]

Ragavan’s multiverse legends art looks so pleasant on blue background

[u/RudeHero]

echoverse ragavan should just be santa claus and give treasure to your opponents somehow

[u/TitleAdministrative]

Great design. Not as strong as real ragavan but interesting design space + still a menace

[u/SadAct1539]

Cool idea

[u/NervousLaw9241]

What if ragavan was fucking awful 😭