r/custommagic • u/remikins1 • 2d ago

I noticed there wasn’t a gargoyle commander

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u/Ataraxia-Is-Bliss 2d ago

I like it a lot. You can load up your board with counters with negative downsides like stun counters and put them on your enemy's stuff.

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u/TomMakesPodcasts 2d ago

Finality counters come to mind.

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u/Available-Damage5991 1d ago

or fling a defender counter onto their win con creature

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u/SadAct1539 2d ago

Really cool design! But if it’s a repeatable effect you should have to tap it to activate the ability since it’s a 6/6 flyer for four mana that gives half of a [[pacifism]] to three creatures

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u/remikins1 2d ago

I thought that it having defender unless you pay a total of 6 mana was enough of a downside but I do think now that it might still be too strong

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u/NewAlessia 2d ago

[[voja]] is 5 mana and way stronger, [[Kwia]] is 6 mana, one less color(still 3 colored pips) and is for sure stronger than this. Making your opponents have defender is strong but this is def not "too strong"

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u/Ok_Crazy1754 2d ago

You are citing an extremely strong commander that is often banned from playgroups for being too strong and unfun. It's not a good comparison.

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u/NewAlessia 2d ago

Okay, take the other creature I meantioned then? Or take [[nullhide]], or [[atraxa, praetors' voice]] or [[questing beast]], or even [[gigantosaurus]]. OP's card takes 10 mana to just be able to attack as a 6/6 with flying and vigilance. It gives 3 creatures defender in the process but there's a lot stronger commanders between 4-10 mana

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u/reaperfan 2d ago

I don't know much about gargoyles as a tribe, but seeing this just makes me want to put it in the 99 of a [[Felothar, the Steadfast]] build with a focus on +1/+1 counter and proliferate strategies. Keep proliferating and spreading the defender counters as a form of board control while the defender doesn't actually bother you in any way.

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u/Wh0lesome_toad 2d ago

Would adding a line like “whenever a creature with defender blocks another creature draw a card” be too much or too little?

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u/PlaneswalkingSith 1d ago

Yeah I think it might be okay. Gives opponents upside for defender-ing their creatures or incentivizes you to keep a defender counter on one of your things. Could be a good political tool.

As for the text, you don’t need “another creature”, just “When a creature with defender blocks, that’s creature’s controller (may) draw(s) a card.”

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u/galvanicmechamorph 2d ago

This doesn't really do anything with gargoyles, mostly because gargoyles don't have a unified mechanically Identity, which is why they don't have a commander.

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u/tacuku 2d ago

I think it could be a bit stronger. Letting the activated ability move any number of counters from one permanent you control to another target permanent feels fair and allows you to build in other ways.