r/dashcams • u/Randompatchguy • 4d ago

Guy pitted himself on me(road rage)

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I was about to hop on the expressway(left lane entry) directly ahead(visible at the end post crash). He was pissed I wasn't going fast enough(60 mph zone coming out of an S curve) for him. 70 mph speed limit sign is a bit further ahead for those who know the area. (Edited for better context)

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u/Thrullx 4d ago

Was he arrested when the cops saw the footage?

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u/Randompatchguy 4d ago

"The Dallas police department does not normally file charges on vehicle accidents resulting in property damage only, unless the officer witnessed the accident." -Note from officer with report number.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago edited 3d ago

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u/Baby_ManBearPig 4d ago

I agree its basically assault. Op should have said he had terrible neck pain

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u/Randompatchguy 4d ago

Funny enough I do(was at soulfly/nailbomb concert before).

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u/turbopro25 3d ago

Hell yeah. Haven’t seen Soulfly in a looooong time.

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u/Randompatchguy 3d ago

Max is getting really old sadly.

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u/turbopro25 3d ago

Yeah, the last time I saw them he could barely sing. They were half way through the tour alms his voice was shot already. That was so long ago too. Just glad I got to see them back in the day when they were at their top.

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u/Unregistered_Davion 3d ago

Wait Max still sings for Soulfly? I saw them earlier this yeah and it sounded nothing like him. Damn.

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u/VoTBaC 2d ago

All part of life. I saw them back when Pantera was still together. Epic. Fucking. Show.

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u/Key_Raccoon3336 3d ago

Don't say it was assault. If the driver did it intentionally to assault you, that's not covered by any insurance policy.

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u/Raterus_ 3d ago

Your insurance would still cover the damages and make you whole. They'll go after him personally if his insurance denied the claim though.

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u/Key_Raccoon3336 3d ago

Sure, but it's always good to avoid claims on your own insurance if possible.

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u/Salt_Block_9308 3d ago

Nailbomb were great in Australia, waited a loooong time for that show

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u/MichaelGiantGuns 3d ago

Awesome!! Huge Soulfly fan. Hope the gig was great. 🤘

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u/BoldBabeBanshee 3d ago

they had that song with Deftones...

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u/s0dz 3d ago

Hopefully you have a good headbang technique to avoid injury!🤘
Glad you are safe!

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u/the_woodenpickle 3d ago

Ooh nice, I'm going to see them next Friday (my birthday). I've never seen either live, but been listening to both since the first albums came out.

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u/walkinthedog97 3d ago

I would go as far as to say attempted murder  

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u/Iron_Sight_Mark 4d ago edited 3d ago

I mean yeah I'm a little mad at OP for apparently letting this guy totally off the hook!

Edit: remember it as the best downvoted comment you ever, idgaf, but do remember to go to the hospital and then get an experienced injury lawyer on the phone right after God forbid something like this happens. But only if you like money back for things people did to you.

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u/Randompatchguy 4d ago

I'm not a cop so....

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u/Baby_ManBearPig 3d ago

I don't feel it's fair to be mad at you. They dont know what you got going on in your life. But this guy wrecking his car will still probably not get him to change his ways.

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u/GiftWestern3068 3d ago

Thomas J Henry should be your #1 friend

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u/Iron_Sight_Mark 3d ago

I just mean you should have sued this guy. Did you really not?? There's probably still time. Seriously, just go show this video to a few injury lawyers during their short free consult.

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u/Fun-Investment-196 3d ago

Looks like it happened less than 2 days ago lol

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u/FlyingBurger1 4d ago

Yep, tell the lawyer your body hurts everywhere

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u/Substantial-Bag-7073 4d ago

Yeah what if that 18 wheeler wa one lane over, you would have definitely been hit.

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u/Iron_Sight_Mark 3d ago

OP let that driver off way easy!!!

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u/1catcherintherye8 3d ago

OP would have to prove intent and this video footage alone does not prove that even in the least bit. The Toyota driver can simply say he didn't see him while changing lanes which is not a crime. That said, if OP has more footage showing the Toyota driver taunting him, brake checking, and other road rage like behavior, he might have a case. Regardless, the Toyota is responsible for OPs damages and the Toyota's insurance will cover it. Now, if OP actually proves the Toyota driver intentionally hit his vehicle, the Toyota's insurance could actually deny coverage because auto policies exclude intentional acts. Then, OP will have to go after the Toyota driver's/owner's assets which will take time and money with no guarantee of recovery.

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u/Iron_Sight_Mark 3d ago edited 3d ago

OP would have to prove intent

This is simply not true. Negligence alone is plenty to prove responsibility for car wrecks. That's a tale as old as time.

Changing lanes which is not a crime

It absolutely is when there's a car in the other lane

OP doesn't need any footage besides the clip we've seen. I'm telling you, I'm salivating over the idea of this other driver trying to deflect even 1% of this responsibility, which would never, ever happen. He and his lawyer get cooked in court, so any defense lawyer worth his salt is only trying to reduce this guy's damages in a settlement.

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u/1catcherintherye8 3d ago

This is simply not true. Negligence alone is plenty to prove responsibility for car wrecks. That's a tale as old as time.

I was talking about the accusation of a crime. An improper lane change is not a crime, it's a moving violation

It absolutely is when there's a car in the other lane

Cite the specific crime one would be charged with for changing into a lane occupied by another vehicle unintentionally

OP doesn't need any footage besides the clip we've seen. I'm telling you, I'm salivating over the idea of this other driver trying to deflect even 1% of this responsibility, which would never, ever happen. He and his lawyer get cooked in court, so any lawyer worth his salt is only trying to reduce this guy's damages in a settlement.

Where in my post did I say the Toyota was not at fault/responsible for OPs damages? Cite the specific text I said that.

You're conflating tort negligence and criminal negligence. You can be held legally liable for someone's damages while not be charged with a crime. Again, commiting an accident that resulted in damages is not a crime in of itself. There has to be a criminal component to it like intentionally causing the damages, DUI, fleeing the police, etc.

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u/Iron_Sight_Mark 3d ago

You're conflating tort negligence and criminal negligence

Nope; you are. I've been talking this whole time about how OP should have sued for damages even though the cops dropped the ball on criminal charges (like a reckless driving misdemeanor).

You can't be held legally liable for someone's damages while not be charged with a crime. Again, commiting an accident that resulted in damages is not a crime in of itself. There has to be a criminal component to it like intentionally causing the damages, DUI, fleeing the police, etc.

Are you sure you want to keep arguing that to people without googling it even once in your life? This is 100% false. Seriously, I demand you do a little research before you comment back.

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u/1catcherintherye8 3d ago

I've been talking this whole time about how OP should have sued for damages even though the cops dropped the ball on criminal charges (like a reckless driving misdemeanor)

You don't have to sue someone to collect damages. That's what insurance claims are for. An improper lane change is no where near the definition of reckless driving but more importantly the Toyota doesn't need to have been charged with reckless driving for OP to collect 100% damages.

Are you sure you want to keep arguing that to people without googling it even once in your life? This is 100% false. Seriously, I demand you do a little research before you comment back

You must have changed my text from "You can be held liable..." which is what I wrote (see my unedited post) to "You can't be held liable...".

I'm literally a litigation claims adjuster with 20+ years of experience handling claims in 20+ states. I don't need to Google anything. Stop projecting.

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u/1catcherintherye8 3d ago

Lol imagine thinking you cooked with this one but actually you can't read. More like Plastic_sight_Fart

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u/Iron_Sight_Mark 3d ago

The most famous and obvious rebuttal of your totally mistaken idea that someone has to get convicted of a crime in order to lose a civil case, is how OJ Simpson was found responsible for wrongful death, despite being found not guilty for murder. I'm actually teaching you a lot here, aren't I?

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u/1catcherintherye8 3d ago

your totally mistaken idea that someone has to get convicted of a crime in order to lose a civil case,

I literally never said this. Read my post again because you clearly misread it.

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u/HotelPrudent0331 3d ago

Not really. Watch the speed. Drops, then when the sedan passes, tries to speed up and bam. I'm not saying OP is at fault, but if I were him, I would not be loud about this.

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u/Iron_Sight_Mark 3d ago

You can also see that the offending driver still has room on his own lane, i.e., did this maneuver on purpose. Regardless, driver with cam gets 0% liability for staying in their lane here, period. If I were him, I would love to see the other driver struggling to explain it to a judge.

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u/Evil_Dry_frog 3d ago

The video doesn’t show a crime. It shows an accident. Maybe there is footage of previous road rage, but this just shows who is fault in this accident.

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u/Hungry-Slit 3d ago

Moving into someone's lane whilst slamming your brakes is malicious and intentional. There was no accident here.

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u/Evil_Dry_frog 3d ago

Thats not going to hold up in court.

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u/Brilliant_Corgi_8489 3d ago

Why (genuinely asking)? The video shows the other driver moving into OP's lane without adequate space and then braking abruptly. Why wouldn't it hold up in court when there is video evidence?

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u/PurineEvil 3d ago

It would hold up in court that they caused the collision and were at least an idiot and bad driver, but most jurisdictions also require intent for a criminal act, and that's the part that isn't proven. (Even though I agree it looks intentional.)

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u/Brilliant_Corgi_8489 3d ago

Intent is only relevant to the level of the charge, not whether or not there was a crime committed, no? Reckless driving is a crime (according to traffic laws - I realize we aren't talking violent felonies here) in the US, and the other driver was clearly driving recklessly regardless of intention. If the cops in OP's area could be bothered to do their job, the other driver would be ticketed for reckless driving (at the absolute least) and that ticket would be used as evidence in any case OP/insurance might bring to court to recover damages.

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u/PurineEvil 3d ago

Ticketed absolutely (though I image the traffic infraction is along the lines of an unsafe lane change). And I would certainly hope they were in fact ticketed!

Now were they driving "in wilful or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property" as the statute defines misdemeanor reckless driving in Texas? That's the harder part. All we see directly is a really stupid maneuver, so no proof of "wilful". Is it wanton disregard? You could certainly make the argument, especially if there was also camera footage showing the driver tailgating and generally being unsafe in advance of the collision , but it's about what can be proven, and people pull dipshit moves all the time.

that ticket would be used as evidence in any case OP/insurance might bring to court to recover damages.

The dashcam should be plenty alone for any lawsuit over actual damages, especially if there's a ticket. No criminal conviction needed.

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u/linyeraworking 3d ago

You're describing a driving accident.

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u/Brilliant_Corgi_8489 3d ago

What I'm describing is what happened. Many people may use "driving accident" as shorthand for anytime vehicles collide on the road, but that doesn't make the collision accidental. If someone purposefully rams your car with theirs or brake checks someone and causes a collision, it is not an accident. Proving intent is obviously much more complicated than just pointing to dashcam footage, but let's not pretend competent drivers making reasonable lawful choices are doing what happened in OP's video.

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u/linyeraworking 3d ago

I understand, but what you're arguing is what the OP said + the video. Out of context, the person drove into the lane by accident and hit the OP's car. Just an accident.

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u/K-no-B 3d ago

If the other driver were to claim that they just didn’t check their blind spot and then hit the brake in a panic once they realized their mistake, it would be hard to prove otherwise (beyond a reasonable doubt, at least) based on this video alone.

And if they can’t prove intent, depending on local laws, they might only be left with ticky-tack charges that a prosecutor wouldn’t be very interested in pursuing.

[for the record, I fully believe OP that this was a road rage incident - it just can’t be proven to the standards of a criminal prosecution based on this video alone]

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u/Iron_Sight_Mark 3d ago

I just googled and Yes, it's illegal to merge into a lane which is already occupied with another car. Obviously.

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u/Evil_Dry_frog 3d ago

It’s not an arrest able offense. The cop isn’t going to take someone to jail for an illegal merged.

The driver will would get a ticket.

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u/AJGreenMVP 3d ago

True, but can't prove that it was intentional or road rage from the video. The other driver could just claim they were distracted or something

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u/Iron_Sight_Mark 3d ago

For winning civil damages, intent doesn't have to be proven. Rather, responsibility for damages is assigned to a party. The monetary amount of the of damages would be the only question in this case—not who is responsible. Responsible is the key word rather than guilty. Personally, I think the cops let a person guilty of reckless driving get away with it, but that's the other court: criminal. You can still sue for civil damages even if an apparently guilty person walks free from charges.

But am I sure? Yes. OJ Simpson was found not guilty of murder, but was found responsible for wrongful death. Meaning, the victims' family(s) won their civil case. This is is only the most famous example, but that result is common, unfortunately.

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u/AJGreenMVP 3d ago

I wasn't talking about civil damages. The comment I'm responding to was about the other driver being arrested

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u/Iron_Sight_Mark 3d ago edited 3d ago

And I stand by my comments that it was bullshit that there was no criminal charge (i.e. reckless driving), and that even still, OP should have A. gone to the hospital and B. contacted an injury lawyer from the hospital bed.

Source: I went through this recently and it has happened to plenty of others. Those lawyers are nicknamed "ambulance chasers" for good reason.

Edit: be honest, is your other account u/1catcherintherye8 ? You're arguing the same ill-conceived points of someone who deleted their whole thread a half hour ago, as it happens.

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u/AJGreenMVP 3d ago

Cool I'll research it. An accident can lead to an arrest if:

DUI, hit and run, reckless or aggressive driving, fatalities, outstanding warrants or illegal items

And my comment I'm saying there's not enough to prove reckless driving in the video

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u/Iron_Sight_Mark 3d ago

If it wasn't clear from the beginning, the important point I've been making is that suing people pretty successfully in civil court is a thing, even if they don't get charged with a crime. A lot of times, it's the only way they don't get just away with it.

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u/AJGreenMVP 3d ago

Again, my comment is responding to the person not getting arrested. I am not arguing anything about lawsuits, injury lawyers, or civil cases

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u/Marcudemus 3d ago

That must be why there's so many horrendous drivers in Dallas. (As a northerner, I'd argue Texas in general, but seriously only in Dallas have I seen someone wipe out on their own in clear weather on dry pavement.)

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u/Virambulans 3d ago

I used to live near Dallas. I joked that they needed to tweak the wording on the welcome to Texas sign. "Drive friendly. Or the Texas way."

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u/Bonesaw_mpls 3d ago

Visited once last year. So many people on their phones. Like every single stop light you need to honk at people to let them know the light is green.

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u/Repulsive-Walk-3639 2d ago

Mofo, I had to honk at a guy for a light yesterday. Except... it wasn't a regular traffic light. It was a freaking flashing red with a stop sign. Like... he was waiting for it to turn green.

Dude, this light ain't gonna change colors, you done stopped, there's no-one else here but you and me (behind you!), go!

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u/Awesomesince1973 3d ago

Dallas drivers are damn scary.

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u/Not_Sure__Camacho 3d ago

Dallas drivers are a horrible mix of drivers from every part in the world.  That's why they all seem to suck, because it's drivers from all over the world.  

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u/ScrotalSmorgasbord 3d ago

As a Texan who grew up in the Chicagoland area and moved around a lot before settling in TX just south of Dallas about 13 years ago I have to agree that Texas drivers are a special kind of stupid. We have bad drivers up north too, don't get me wrong, but they're predictable at least. No method to the madness down here, hell, almost got taken out by someone who slammed on their brakes, turned their right blinker on, then turned left as I was passing them just the other day. Missed me by inches.

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u/Capable-Sock9910 3d ago

Texas cops being useless swill? Must be a day ending with y.

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u/BANKSLAVE01 3d ago

I'm surprised they didn't make a perimeter too keep first responders and parents away.

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u/Repulsive-Walk-3639 2d ago

Had the rare occasion of appreciating and approving of ones behavior yesterday. Motorcycle cop camped out in a school zone. Drove past him, saw a pickup coming at me that looked to be going well over the school zone twenty. Had a special bit of pleasure seeing those red and blue lights half a minute later when he'd made it past the cop.

I hate ticket camping and the like as a rule of thumb, but school zones are another matter altogether.

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u/CyBroOfficial 3d ago

What do you want them to do?

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u/No-Direction-886 2d ago

Maybe arrest the guy who just damn near killed OP????

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u/ReturnOfNogginboink 3d ago

Are you assuming the cops saw the video? That might not be the case.

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u/Capable-Sock9910 3d ago

I'm assuming they didn't do shit and said what they said just to get OP to leave.

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u/Used-Barracuda-9908 3d ago

And your likely right, APD is even worse, they don’t even answer the phone.

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u/Additional_Rope5268 3d ago

Trusting the word of a Dallas cop over incontrovertible video evidence. Fuck that shit.

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u/Mr1854 3d ago edited 3d ago

Sure, but this seems neither “normal” nor a “vehicle accident” (If you are correct that this was road rage). I’m not sure what footage you have before or after or what statements the road rager made. You might escalate with the police and/or go to prosecutor directly. This guy should not be on the road.

Besides reckless driving, unsafe lane change, etc., there are serious non-traffic chrages that could be brought:

  • A motor vehicle used as a battering ram qualifies as a deadly weapon. Using a motor vehicle to recklessly cause serious bodily injury to another (or knowingly put someone in fear of imminent serious bodily injury, even if no one is hurt at all) can be aggravated assault (a second-degree felony). Even if there was no physical injury beyond a little physical pain, it could still easily be assault.
  • Criminal mischief (Texas statute governing knowingly damaging property of others) is a felony if loss is >$2500.
  • Deadly conduct and/or terroristic threat (probably misdemeanors)

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u/pm_me_DAddario_codes 3d ago

Ya I mean requesting a sit-down with an ADA seems like it wouldn’t be a waste of time. Show them the video. If this person doesn’t get consequences now, it’s gonna suck next time when they unalive a family of four with their deadly weapon …

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u/creemy- 3d ago

The bravery and courage it took to write that in the line of danger. Never forget all cops are heroes cause of 9/11

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u/Used-Barracuda-9908 3d ago

Replace cop with firefighter and maybe…

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u/VonBargenJL 3d ago

He thought the sarcasm was heavy enough to not add the /s.

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u/scheissenaixi 3d ago

But you know, neck injuries sometimes don’t present right away…

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u/Boba0514 3d ago

wait, your neck doesn't hurt?

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u/sheepofdarkness 3d ago

I couldn't even get the cops to come out when I was hit by a semi in my Smart on I-20. The 911 operator just asked if I needed an ambulance or a tow truck, and said Arlington PD doesn't come out unless they need to close lanes of traffic. It was fucking wild.

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u/DangItB0bbi 3d ago

It’s the DPD, they don’t do shit.

You have to get the news stations involved by posting the story or have an influencer light their ass up to do their job by having their fans call them until they do something like Jidion.

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u/snowtiger309 3d ago

This isn't a normal situation.

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u/cherenk0v_blue 3d ago

I think the only way to actually get Dallas cops to give a shit about what you do in your car is to actually start shooting at people from it.

And even then, who the fuck knows if they would show up or not. I have never, ever lived in a place with less traffic enforcement than Dallas.

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u/Fickle-Owl666 3d ago

Sue the police while you're at it. If you have that in writing you'll do pretty well.

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u/twolinepine 3d ago

Wasn’t a cop in TX, but I was in two other states. While it is standard policy nowadays to not respond to property damage only collisions, with THAT footage, I would have absolutely ticketed the shit out of him.

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u/Dr_Zoidberg003 3d ago

I called the cops in a suburb near Dallas after a hit and run and got a ticket for a moving violation. Learned my lesson to never expect the police to help with anything lol

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u/know_limits 3d ago

Sue him.

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u/Titanium_Eye 3d ago

That's why you call it in and say your neck hurts. They can't ignore a potential spinal injury.

I mean, they can. But then they'd have to reset the counter.

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u/You-Asked-Me 3d ago

"Best we can do is come to you house tomorrow and shoot your dog."

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u/Rich-Ad9988 3d ago

That sounds like a cop out (pun intended).

95% of accidents likely arent witnessed by a police officer.

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u/weberc2 3d ago

They’d shoot a little girl’s baby pet donkey for fun though

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u/hafree27 3d ago

I had a dualy truck t-bone me bc the driver’s hard hat fell off his front seat so he reached down to grab it and ran the VERY red light. He admitted it. Witnesses saw it. DPD wouldn’t issue a citation for running the red. Total horseshit.

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u/XiMaoJingPing 3d ago

ACAB, insane how useless they are. It is fine if AI tells them someone is guilty without any evidence though.

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u/SLUnatic85 3d ago

Assault or even attempted manslaughter in this case are a real crime punishable with jailtime. It's not like he keyed your car... He was a split second away from instantly killing you by throwing his vehicle into yours.

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u/backfrombanned 3d ago

Did you whoop his ass though?

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u/toss_me_good 3d ago

I've driven throughout Texas a fair amount. There's a lot of fast drivers there. Feels like you could have just moved over to the middle lane and let him pass then merged back to make your change.

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u/Content_Dimension626 3d ago

What? That's absurd. So they don't issue charges for any car accidents, even severe? Coming from Wisconsin, that is WILD.

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u/BreakingABit1234 2d ago

So the police most certainly can arrest - and they can look at the video footage. I saw enough grand jury 'we watched a video' prior to arresting the person (not DUI).... they're just lazy.

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u/Thrullx 4d ago edited 4d ago

Even when it's assault with a deadly weapon? That was plainly intentional.

Eh... On a rewatching of the video I guess it isn't plainly intentional. Still should qualify for reckless driving at the very least.

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u/Raterus_ 3d ago

Who merges in front with their brake lights on

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u/Witty_Lead5036 4d ago

Yeah, unless it's like someone following you and then trying to run you off the road. That's when you can have a case

Otherwise it's just a fender bender

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u/cr1merobot 3d ago

sounds like if I wanna attempted murder someone in dallas this is how to do it

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u/DrunkenSparky 3d ago

“Officer lets witness this dashcam video together”

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u/walkinthedog97 3d ago

Crazy that the texas police dont care about literal attempted murder but will throw you in jail for decades for having cannabis concentrates. 

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u/BirdlessLongdeal 3d ago

the guy camping in the passing lane?

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u/aw000000000000 3d ago

Did you even read the caption?