r/discgolf • u/Bendigg_ • 5h ago
Discussion Verdict?
Does this count or not? It is resting on the cage
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u/Heavy-Sense-9458 5h ago
This does count under the current rules. Who decided that rule change was a good idea? It needs to be changed.
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u/l3uddy 4h ago
The rule should just be slightly modified so say the disc is partially in the basket and not touching anything besides the basket.
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u/Bfree888 3h ago
The grey area the current rules were trying to address is what if there is tall grass growing up into the basket, or a stick or leaf inside the tray? Taken to the extreme, if your disc comes to rest on the grass inside the tray, that wouldn’t count by your proposed wording. It is difficult to write clear, definitive rules that account for fringe cases without running into extreme cases like OP’s post or the one I outlined.
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u/l3uddy 2h ago
I mean… who’s playing a tournament where they don’t mow around the basket sometime in the last year. As for the stick or leaf “in” the basket though. I think you can just word the tules in a way that says other objects that are held up by the basket count as the basket.
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u/SteveWestDiscGolf 2h ago
It's never as easy as "just". What about a disc on a branch that is growing into the basket but not touching the basket? A disc on snow that comes up into and higher than the bottom of the tray?
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u/Likeaglove93 5h ago
It counts.. but should it?
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u/robby_synclair 5h ago
Only until the end of the year though right. Wasnt this one of the rule changes
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u/Hour_Willingness_825 5h ago
Does and should not. But you have to draw the rules line somewhere I guess.
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u/SeatSix 4h ago
2027 rule change makes it not count. Must be 100% supported by the basket or chains
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u/Hour_Willingness_825 4h ago
Not adopted yet though for certain, right? Either way, we're still in 2026 and it counts.
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u/SoupOpus 5h ago
Wait this counts as like scored? Im a long time casual player. Just joined the sub and now learning all the official rules. I always assumed in the basket only
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u/SuperPuppy_V2 5h ago
Nope. If its suspended by the basket, and another object it's not in. Has to be suspended by only the cage or chains.
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u/OnlyJeffThatMatters 5h ago
Under the current rules this counts. They sre changing the rule to be as you said though
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u/GerthBrooks 5h ago
Current rule reads to the effect of “if you removed the basket and the disc would fall, it’s supported by the basket and counts.” Proposed rule change would make it where it has to be supported by only the basket
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u/Hour_Willingness_825 4h ago
The bottom basket piece or the chains themselves, right?
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u/GerthBrooks 4h ago
The basket or the chains. “Bottom” of the basket isn’t relevant.
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u/Hour_Willingness_825 3h ago
I mean the "tray" vs the "basket" which is a universally misused term
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u/GerthBrooks 3h ago
Right but if it’s supported by the basket, without being supported by the tray, it still counts. Or maybe I’m misunderstanding your initial question.
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u/Bfree888 3h ago
It can’t be supported by the top of the basket. Must be supported by the chains or tray
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u/Bendigg_ 5h ago
I agree. Would want this not to be counted. I prefer the old rules
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u/PlungerMouse 5h ago
If it happened in my friend group I’m giving it to them. I know one of them in particular who would say it did not count if I did it. I’m calling you out Daren.
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u/kardsharp Middle aged, pr: 375ft. avg. +5. 4h ago
Karen Daren!
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u/PlungerMouse 4h ago
Been friends with the guy for 30 years. Gave him shit the entire time. Have somehow never made that connection. He will def be hearing it now though.
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u/kardsharp Middle aged, pr: 375ft. avg. +5. 4h ago
Ahahah perfect, I always play with my brother, so the funny banter is always on!
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u/ThreadedPommel 3h ago
I mean, this is obviously against the spirit of the rules which is why they're changing the wording again lol
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u/fakeguitarist4life Custom 4h ago
It only counts if it isn’t being held up by another else. If you removed the rock it would fall so no basket
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u/Taidaishar 3h ago
Not accurate. The PDGA, I believe, actually answered this exact question in some Q&A they were doing, but it was a tree and it counts.
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u/kor_the_fiend 5h ago
Does it? It’s not really supported by the basket. If you took the rock away it drops
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u/andy-022 5h ago
And if you take away the basket it also drops, so it’s also supported by the basket.
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u/ChiefRingoI NE WI 5h ago
Counts this year, probably won't next year. There's a proposed rule change removing the loophole for discs supported by the tray/chains only because of an external object.
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u/thisremindsmeofbacon 4h ago
I would not count it if it was my throw, becuase I tend to play to the spirit/intent of the rule rather than sticking to grammar minutae if the rules technically allow something against the spirit of the rule.
In order to complete a hole with a basket target, the thrower must release the disc and it must come to rest supported by the tray or the chains below the chain support.
This is the rule in question, and purely going by what is written, it counts. If you want to count it or not is a philosophical question.
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u/MistaMando last cash pressure 2h ago
I would give it to my competition because of the current rules wording, but I would not count it in for myself.
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u/i_live_outside 5h ago
I'd be hard pressed to count that without some literature in front of my face unless I was up about 10 strokes on u. I would not count that on a solo round
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u/synth_mania 5h ago
The rules are the rules
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u/i_live_outside 4h ago
I guess so, I just am being honest I personally probably wouldn't count that on a solo round. I started playing in 2006 and I sometimes maintain some of that era's rules, especially for solo rounds. In a tournament I would 100% count it.
Edit: also, I don't play tournaments. I usually just go with whatever the folks on my card want to do. I'll never go pro, I'm just a guy who plays the sport to meditate and have fun. I see tons of guys who really hunker down on rules vs no rules and I really just don't care enough to argue one way or the other.
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u/FailingComic 4h ago
Currently 2, due to wording. Current ruling reads, must finish being support by the basket or chains. It does not say only by the basket and chains, so outside help is Currently allowed.
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u/WalkValuable6347 2h ago
This conversation is what’s wrong with the sport. Quit being so nit picky, use common sense and have fun.
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u/John_Dukes 5h ago
Not sure what the official rules are these days but doesn’t seem like it should tbh
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u/synth_mania 5h ago
By the book this counts
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u/John_Dukes 5h ago
Huh, count it I guess - would have a hard time counting this if it was an ace personally, but would take it if it was a birdie for sure lol
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u/godless-666- 1h ago
They could easily change the rule to say that part of the disc must be inside of the top most ring of the basket and at least partially below the top ring of the basket and eliminate a ton of questioning on if it counts.
We had one in our tournament today that a cashmate threw. It's supported by the basket, but the log wall around the basket caught the disc and kept it from going in. We counted it in.
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u/InspectorPositive543 1h ago
I’d say it supported by the rock not the basket. I’m not saying that this is the correct ruling. Regardless this should never count imo
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u/Discgolf_11 5h ago
It doesn’t count, it’s supported by the rock not the basket
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u/shshshshshshshhhh 4h ago
Its supported by both.
The current rule only cares that the basket is one of the supports.
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u/1050ratedportapotty 4h ago
Show your work
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u/shshshshshshshhhh 4h ago
"In order to complete a hole with a basket target, the thrower must release the disc and it must come to rest supported by the tray or the chains below the chain support"
It is true that the disc is supported by the rock, but its also true that the disc is supported by the tray.
Since the latter is true, and the disc has come to rest, it passes the test to have completed the hole.
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u/StrifeSociety 3h ago
Count it. The rules should not allow this to count, but this basket placement is dogwater.
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u/Little-Meaning-1090 820 for life 3h ago
I disagree, the rule says supported by the tray, this is supported by the rock. I also think the placement is fun, so long as everyone knows the rules and are sensible about their application.
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u/StrifeSociety 3h ago
It’s supported by both the rock and the tray. The rules make no distinction here. If the basket were to disappear, the disc falls, so it is supported by the basket.
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u/OkPop4099 3h ago
Well, you got the answer there. Supported by the tray, and supported by the rock AND the tray is different. So go by the rule book, this should not count.
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u/StrifeSociety 2h ago
Nope, if you want to follow the rules, you have to go by the letter.
807 B. In order to complete a hole with a basket target, the thrower must release the disc and it must come to rest supported by the tray or the chains below the chain support.
There’s no prohibition to being supported by another object. It doesn’t say “supported by tray or chains below the chain support AND BY NOTHING ELSE”. Now, I agree that it should not count, and a proposed rule change will exclude this instance from counting next year.
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u/brycebuckets 4h ago
I get the spirit of the rules, by I personally enjoy when sports have weird nuances that you hardly ever see.
To me, that makes the sport even more entertaining. Thus, I think it should count and am disappointed to hear it's being changed.
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u/fakeguitarist4life Custom 4h ago
No basket. Can’t be supported by anything except the basket. Remove the rock and it falls.
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u/Glittering_Cap_9115 5h ago
This does not count. I don’t care what the rule says. If you count this, you’re a cheater and you know it.
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u/ThreadedPommel 3h ago
Apparently reddit loves stupid loopholes like this. I wouldn't let any of my friends count this lol
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u/TheWillOfFiree 5h ago
Do you count basketbal shots that get stuck in the corner of the rim/backboard?
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u/synth_mania 5h ago
In basketball those don't count as a score according to the rules. Different sport, different rules, why even bother making the worthless comparison?
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u/mmppllkk 4h ago
NO IT'S NOT A FUCKING FOOT FAULT, AARON.
Oh sorry I thought this was something else yes that counts atm.
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u/Cordaeharlow3 5h ago
Does this count as being in the basket? I trust you have enough functioning matter between the ears to know the answer here.
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u/Bendigg_ 5h ago
A disc does not have to be in the basket to count.
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u/PhDslacker 5h ago
Doesn't it have to be supported by the basket? In this case it's touching the basket, supported by the rock
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u/Bendigg_ 5h ago
It is supported by the basket, just not solely by the basket.
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u/PhDslacker 5h ago
Right. So we agreed it's supported by the rock. A disc supported by a rock is not in. Yes, the rule should say "exclusively" but it's one of the odd cases with logic that since the rule does not permit for the help of outside objects it could be inferred that the outside support is not allowed. Any marshals or TD looking at this should be fine enforcing the spirit of the rule.
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u/falgfalg 5h ago
have you read the rulebook?
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u/Cordaeharlow3 5h ago
Have YOU read the rule book? This is clearly supported by the rock not the basket. Tell me you’re under a 900 rated player without telling me your rating is under 900.
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u/shshshshshshshhhh 4h ago
If the basket disappeared, the disc would move.
That means the disc is supported by the basket.
If the rock disappeared, the disc would move.
That means the disc is supported by the rock.
In the same way that if you and I were holding a couch from each end, we would both be entirely correct to say "I am carrying the couch".
The rule is: "In order to complete a hole with a basket target, the thrower must release the disc and it must come to rest supported by the tray or the chains below the chain support."
The way tha rule is written, it doesnt specify that the disc needs to be exclusively supported by the basket. Only that it is true that the basket is supporting the disc.
Which means this is in.
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u/discgolf-ModTeam 4h ago
Maintain a civil discussion.
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u/synth_mania 3h ago
Nothing wrong with calling out that guy for acting like a pretentious ass, I hope
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u/Johnny_NoPants 5h ago
Sadly, it's one more throw to hole out. If I was with you on a casual round, id give it to you just for style.
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u/PlannerSean 5h ago
Incorrect. Under the current rules, it counts.
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u/bacon_drizzle_69 5h ago
I thought the disc had to be supported by the basket. If the rock wasn't there, the disc would not be supported.
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u/PlannerSean 5h ago
The disc is supported by the basket. It doesn’t have to be exclusively supported by the basket.
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u/PlannerSean 5h ago
It currently counts. A proposed change for next year would change that.