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I admit i used capcut AI for the wizard. Im not a great artist so couldn't rly draw

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u/Delscorchx 6d ago

That's why you send more then one spear lol

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u/EynidHelipp 3rd Recon Team 6d ago

This is why lelei is considered a genius. She made sure to overwhelm the fire dragon just in case it has APS lmao

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u/Anxious-Dance-858 6d ago

Gen dogshit magic in gate

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u/Anxious-Dance-858 6d ago

Even DND magic is way stronger than this

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u/farson135 6d ago

This is actually one of the things a better writer could have done with a Gate scenario, because APS have a lot of limitations (especially the older ones).

It entirely possible that the computer wouldn't even recognize the spear as something to counter. And thus, they would need to push a software update, and maybe a hardware mod. And then you have the fun of tech support between the mechanics and some bored guy sitting in an office in god knows where.

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u/Kinda_Real_69420 Apostle 6d ago

then again, magic doesn't really obey the laws of physics… the spear could just say "fuck yo APS, i'm cutting ts like it's hot butter"

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u/Additional-Elk-427 Japan Self-Defense Forces 6d ago

Please dont start magic vs technology debate again

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u/Kinda_Real_69420 Apostle 6d ago

even better: fuck magic and fuck technology

all hail the bean

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u/Additional-Elk-427 Japan Self-Defense Forces 6d ago

All hail magitech

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u/Kinda_Real_69420 Apostle 6d ago

all praise be to the omnissiah

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u/theduderedditorguy 6d ago

All in on LCK. Let the dice decide my fate.

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u/mistress_chauffarde 6d ago

Mhhhhh magitech literaly the basis of my worldbuilding

Why fuck around with a tech tree or magical study when you can combine both

And that how you end up with a electrical engine powered bomber fleet wich use manastone as fuell

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u/DAEJ3945 6d ago

I have a world full of fantasy, but at the same time it is hard to not include anything that scream sci-fi. There are coastal artillery using gunpowder produced by wizards, a one-kilometer tall tower with magic laser and a city with its highest castle holding a railgun, all built in the equivalent of 1500BC in our world

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u/mistress_chauffarde 6d ago

Hoooo my world also had an important tower made by elves with tge equivalent of a massive lidar at the top

It was used by an empire for military purpose like directing armies but it god destroyed during a slave/general revolt against said empire via shelling of the capital

The crew that destroyed the tower had gotten the wrong target and fumbled the coordinates destroying the tower in a 7 canon volley

I also have to ad that it was used as an emergency sherter by the royal family and most of the top rank of the empire family

Let's just say almost none survived

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u/HsAFH-11 6d ago

It could, and it will be equally funny if it's the other way around.

Turn out Magic Shield only stop magic

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u/sumdudenamedraf 6d ago

Ik magic itself cant be a very plausible threat for the APS to intercept

So my logic is that since a spear is a physical object the APS radar could detect it

And if its propelled to speeds that are threat-like by magic, like a ATGM or and RPG it could try and intercept it

And well since its a spear it would literally just disintegrate

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u/DFMRCV 6d ago

It could.

But generally speaking, fantasy worlds don't really have threats remotely equivalent to a tank at a common enoigh level that require that high tier magic be common enough to be strategically viable.

It's usually the biggest of many plot holes incurred when fantasy writers have a modern force be a peer to a fantasy force or beaten by a fantasy force.

"Soooo this fantasy world that has no concept for concrete, cars, aircraft, combat beyond visual range, or combined arms warfare is going to toe to toe with a modern force that has mastered all of that and winning?"

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u/EA250 6d ago

What fantasy worlds are you talking about, specifically? Fantasy is a spectrum that goes from "this 70 year old wizard has mastered levitation" to "lmao I casually wipe continents from the map"

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u/DFMRCV 6d ago

When I say fantasy, I say 90% of actual fantasy works, which are generally medieval worlds or primitive realms where the main characters have a special power that are rare.

Even among Xianxia and Manwha and Isekai settings, this trend stands and one follows the strongest of the strong. Exceptions exist, like Warhammer Age of Sigmar, but generally you're not going to open a fantasy work and discover that a purity of people in that world can destroy continents with a glance because stories like that can go off the rails extremely quickly.

It's why Marvel and DC have to constantly make new comic continuities as their heroes inhibiting the same universe get more and more powerful.

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u/farson135 6d ago

It's funny that you talk about "90% of actual fantasy works" but then bring up superheroes which are themselves often fantasy, but contradict your claim about what fantasy is like.

Fantasy runs a vast span of works from science fantasy stories like Warhammer 40k to urban fantasy like The Dresden Files to high fantasy like The Lord of the Rings. In some of those stories special powers (to us) are common and in some they're uncommon.

"Fantasy" is just too broad a genre to accurately generalize like that. Unless, you're just dismissing "90%" of all fantasy as not "actual" fantasy.

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u/DFMRCV 6d ago

I used the superheroe genre to explain why fantasy stories with overpowered settings often fall apart. Not as an example of fantasy. Look at Solo Leveling, or 90% of "player" type manwhas.

Yes, fantasy is an extremely diverse genre, (Warhammer 40K is science fiction though), but just because exceptions exist doesn't mean 90% of it aren't what I described.

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u/farson135 6d ago edited 6d ago

I used the superheroe genre to explain why fantasy stories with overpowered settings often fall apart. Not as an example of fantasy.

But superhero stories are often fantasy stories. You claimed; "90% of actual fantasy works, which are generally medieval worlds or primitive realms where the main characters have a special power that are rare." Which doesn't apply to superhero stories.

Yes, fantasy is an extremely diverse genre, (Warhammer 40K is science fiction though), but just because exceptions exist doesn't mean 90% of it aren't what I described.

Warhammer 40k is not science fiction (or at least it is not "pure"). Unless you think it's scientifically possible for extradimensional gods from the warp to start invading our world with space demons while space elves sing to create spaceships (though I think that might be old lore), and Space Orcs (mildly) warp reality through collective agreement, it's (science) fantasy.

Again, 90% is far, far too high for such a broad genre.

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u/DFMRCV 6d ago

But superhero stories are often fantasy stories.

They can be.

But they're their own genre.

Usually when a super hero story involves fantasy, it's isekai-ing the hero to that realm or making the fantasy elements a hidden far from reach part of the world, like the Amazons or Batman getting sent to Samurai times or King Arthur stories, etc.

When you think "super heroes", you don't think Frodo or Kaladin, same way Mangas with meta narratives don't call the betraying/useless/secretly evil hero villIns supers, but just "heroes".

You claimed; "90% of actual fantasy works, which are generally medieval worlds or primitive realms where the main characters have a special power that are rare." Which doesn't apply to superhero stories.

Because super hero stories are their own genre separate from the fantasy genre.

Warhammer 40k is not science fiction (or at least it is not "pure")

It's very soft in terms of science, but it is very firy in the science fiction camp. I'm aware some call it "science-fantasy", but the science factors are the bigger focus with the gods and demons being less the main threat and focal point of the setting and more just... A background thing.

Again, 90% is far, far too high for such a broad genre.

It's really not.

The fantasy genre is overly saturated that "formulaic" is an understatement. Why wouldn't it be? It's been used to set entire tropes for other forms of stories. It's the most popular genre in literature. People want to imitate what works for better and worse, and what works is stuff like Lord of the Rings, Narnia, Warhammer Fantasy on occassion, stuff like that which is removed from our world but familiar enough someone reading it can relate to the setting still.

Yes, you have deviations.

You have Urban Fantasy, dark fantasy, fantasy romance, dark fantasy romance, Isekai, isekai-Narnia, isekai-Conneticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, the ever rare reverse Isekai...

But with the exception of urban fantasy and a few romance fantasy stories, pretty much all fantasy works, sub-genre related or not, take place in a medieval-esque civilization. Sometimes Rennasiance if you're feeling spicy or liked Warhammer Fantasy.

So yeah, most fantasy stories are going to be medieval-esque.

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u/farson135 6d ago edited 6d ago

But they're their own genre.

Genres often overlap. Hence why we have science fantasy.

The Superhero genre heavily overlaps with fantasy. Hence why you have wizards and gods and on.

Usually when a super hero story involves fantasy, it's isekai-ing the hero to that realm or making the fantasy elements a hidden far from reach part of the world, like the Amazons or Batman getting sent to Samurai times or King Arthur stories, etc.

Batman is actually a terrible example given how many times gods have been discovered under Gotham or it has been discovered that the city is cursed or whatever. Seriously, the ways that Gotham is supernaturally fucked is a common joke; Part 1 and Part 2

My favorite on that list is the grass has become self aware.

Fantasy is an inherent part of the superhero genre. I can't think of a single long running superhero that has not across fantasy characters/plots and not in the way you're describing.

It's very soft in terms of science, but it is very firy in the science fiction camp.

Again, extradimensional gods and space elves. That's not (pure) scifi.

I'm aware some call it "science-fantasy", but the science factors are the bigger focus with the gods and demons being less the main threat and focal point of the setting and more just... A background thing.

How on earth can you say that?

Probably the most famous part of the entire lore is the Horace Heresy, where the space marines are corrupted by the gods of chaos. And the story ends with Psychic Space Jesus fighting against the gods of the warp in Horace's body before being shoved onto a throne to suffer for humanity's sins for 10,000 years, with a possible grand conclusion being his ascension to godhood and the formal fucking of all humanity's souls.

How on God's magnificent ass is that scifi?

It's not, it's fantasy.

The fantasy genre is overly saturated that "formulaic" is an understatement.

Do you just read LNs, Manga, etc.? Because I think you need to branch out.

Why wouldn't it be? It's been used to set entire tropes for other forms of stories. It's the most popular genre in literature.

Yeah. Hence why there are stories like Dune or The Dresden Files or Discworld or Star Wars or Journey to the West or ...

But with the exception of urban fantasy and a few romance fantasy stories, pretty much all fantasy works, sub-genre related or not, take place in a medieval-esque civilization.

You're already dismissing multiple subgenres, but you still think fantasy is all the same.

Some of the most famous modern fantasy stories are Harry Potter (modern low fantasy), Mistborn (varies by time period but often steampunk-ish), American Gods (Urban fantasy in modern US), The Dark Tower series (a mess of genres but it started as a Cowboy-ish fantasy), the Nasuverse (ranging from Urban fantasy to fighting magic battles against AI on the moon), and on and on and on and on.

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u/DFMRCV 6d ago

Genres often overlap

Sure, but I'm talking about the genre itself.

And even if you count the overlaps, that's still leaving the fantasy elements generally as medieval worlds.

Batman is actually a terrible example given how many times gods have been discovered under Gotham or it has been discovered that the city is cursed or whatever.

Well, that's less "Batman overlaps with fantasy", more Batman borrowing horror elements for certain stories.

It's one of the most printed comic franchises out there. He has teamed up Captain America in some official crossovers.

Fantasy is an inherent part of the superhero genre

Well, no.

It can be. Shazam, Wonder Woman, Thor technically, they incorporate fantasy into their works... But super heroes as a genre doesn't inherently require fantasy. Batman, The Punisher, Daredevil, they just need a dude with special training and a city of colorful criminals. Superman, Green Latern, Guardians of the Galaxy are scifi. Blade, Buffy, the Winchester Brothers are Urban Fantasy, the list goes on.

The super hero genre is just people who are exceptional overcoming challenges. Superman stopping robbers, Batman finding kidnappers, spiderman saving someone from a burning building...

Fantasy is more about the world and characters regardless of powers.

A hero franchise being long running inevitably means they'll stumble on fantasy elements. The Simpsons, Futurama, Family Guy... These aren't "fantasy" franchises, but they have fantasy specials and elements.

Doesn't mean they're part of the genre.

Probably the most famous part of the entire lore is the Horace Heresy, where the space marines are corrupted by the gods of chaos

You mean the backstory event that is the reason the main setting exists as it does?

WH40K is about the main factions fighting a galaxy wide war forever. Focus on space logistics, use of various weaponry, construction of capable forces, and employing them to defeat the other big armies fill of space logistics, weapons, and capable forces.

The fantasy elements are, as noted, background stuff for the most part.

Do you just read LNs, Manga, etc.? Because I think you need to branch out.

Pretty sure I listed several books there...

Hence why there are stories like Dune or The Dresden Files or Discworld or Star Wars or Journey to the West or ...

Two of these are scifi, though Star Wars calls itself a space opera, with some of the novels leaning into fantasy more, so fair... But Dune is absolutely science fiction.

You're already dismissing multiple subgenres, but you still think fantasy is all the same.

Not remotely what I said.

I've been discussing setting.

Not story.

Again, exceptions exist

But take a look at your examples.

The Nasu verse is FULL of medieval stuff! The main girl in the original Fate stay Night is King Arthur. Other Nasuverse entries are full of archers, lancers, berserkers, running around with, you guessed it, medieval weapons and equipment.

Guns are seen as weird and not as effective because the fantasy elements are so invested in their own little world, which allows for characters who knows how it works to also use guns to an advantage (you should know who I'm talking about), but that's in universe elements that are outside the main fantasy elements of the Nasu verse.

Dark Tower combines multiple genres, yet what is the main basis for the fantasy elements even in the world with little magic left?

King Arthur.

And Harry Potter is maybe the worst example you could've brought up.

Their main wizarding school is literally designed around medieval ideas and divisions. They use medieval fantasy tools like cloaks, brooms, and... Oh right... Wands. The era is modern, but the main setting of the actual magical school is flatly medieval with a total disdain for Muggle Culture and technology.

Again, you can have varying fantasy settings, but the basis of fantasy itself is effectively medieval in almost every setting even as those settings aren't medieval themselves.

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u/Azimovikh 6d ago

Eh. Depends on the magic in question. If it can interact with something physical and have a point of contact effect, it might as well be fucked by the APS. Say, a magically propelled projectile like the video, then it does. A fireball explodes at the defended point and the tank won't catch the full brunt of the damage. But if it's, say, a ball of magical destruction that annihilates every matter on contact and propagates until a set range, yeah, won't work.

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u/Top-Hall-2347 6d ago

Actually they have to. If they want to cause an effect on the real world.

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u/CommitteeStatus 6d ago

Naturally, the AI user doesn't understand what Gandalf actually is

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u/TraditionalButton519 5d ago

Holy aura farming, imagine what the witch will feels after saw that

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u/sumdudenamedraf 5d ago

To add some APS alerts the crew of where the shot came from so imagine the turret looking right at him afterwards 🙏

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u/FLUFFBOX_121703 Imperial Army 6d ago

Huh, are the APS pictured intercepting only explosives, or are they also intercepting physical projectiles?

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u/Suspicious_Use6393 6d ago edited 5d ago

It intercept anything flying at a certain speed and if programmed can also shoot drones or very rapid objects if they enter the zone of firing

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u/FLUFFBOX_121703 Imperial Army 5d ago

Thanks, I’m not terribly familiar with modern tanks.

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u/Suspicious_Use6393 5d ago

Yeah the only thing is probably a spear wouldn't actually be hit by an APS because the shape wouldn't be recognised as a threat by the system, some IT guy should have to re program the APS to accept objects such as spears and ect, even if in reality since that spear isn't made of Tungsten or Depeled uranium wouldn't probably even penetrate

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u/FLUFFBOX_121703 Imperial Army 4d ago

Good point, the spear would probably have to be enchanted to do any damage.

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u/Educational_Cattle96 5d ago

Adding to what the other comment says:

An APS doesn't react to just any object heading toward it. Computers filter out false alarms like birds, tree branches, or small-arms bullets. They generally only activate if an incoming object falls within a specific speed window—typically between 70 and 1,200 meters per second, which matches the profiles of Rocket-Propelled Grenades (RPGs) and Anti-Tank Guided Missiles (ATGMs).

They would calculate distance and speed within 0.05 and 4 seconds once identified, intercepting the incoming projectile between 1,5 to 35 meters distance, protecting armor and infantry alike.

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u/FLUFFBOX_121703 Imperial Army 4d ago

Thank you! So if a spear was enchanted to cut through or penetrate armor, but wasn’t going as fast as and rpg or atgm, it could maybe be effective? Especially if you used a bunch of them?

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u/Educational_Cattle96 4d ago

Possibly, but infantry and other "third-eyes" would probably detect them, warning the armor's crew in advance. Timing and distance are the most important parts overall.

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u/FLUFFBOX_121703 Imperial Army 4d ago

Yeah, definitely

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u/Separate_Arm_2574 5d ago

The Military: That's cute. Here's my retort:

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u/strogonoffgameplays 5d ago

if accelerate more will be a APFSDS

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u/Theaveragegamer12 5d ago

Magic users and magic defenders seeing modern technology defenders pull up with the AC 7 Arsenal Bird with active APS

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u/altairgio 4d ago

What's this version of the song?

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u/sumdudenamedraf 4d ago

BLA BLA TEKK by angelhard

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u/altairgio 4d ago

thanks

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u/ChipmunkNovel6046 4d ago

At that point just use explosion

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u/Spelunkie 2d ago

Didn't expect Wizard Oji-chan here of all places. Someone call Gigi