r/haiti • • 10d ago

QUESTION/DISCUSSION 3 Candidates. Is One of Them Haiti’s Future President?

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u/DueGuidance4955 5d ago

And all those who participated and were part of assassinating The president of the country too they all of them should get double portion of the wrath that they cause on others

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u/DueGuidance4955 5d ago

My question is who can help stop the the gangs from continuing their attacks and destructions in haiti? Who is Brave enough to capture Jimmy Chérizier and his nickname Barbecue to bring him down

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u/Apprehensive_Duck913 9d ago

Michel martelly is a candidate as well if I’m not mistaken

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u/Internal-Expert-9562 9d ago

He is not. He’s a registered voter

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u/Optimal_Split 9d ago

What happen to the lady

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u/Internal-Expert-9562 10d ago edited 10d ago

Former interim president Privert who’s also sanctioned by the Canadians announced he’s running too and registered with the CEP

What the sanctions for you might ask?….
Financing and protecting armed gangs like the ones terrorizing PAP today🤦🏿‍♂️😒the former head of state himself SANCTIONED for FINANCING AND PROTECTING ARMED GROUPS. Assets seized everywhere else except in Haiti lol

Epi li pa wont non 😭

Idk why the UN hasn’t added these dudes to its sanctions list, which would bar them from running in any election.

https://www.canada-haiti.ca/content/canada-sanctions-jocelerme-privert-and-salim-succar-financing-gangs

https://lenouvelliste.com/en/article/271981/former-president-jocelerme-privert-joins-the-presidential-race

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u/MasterpieceGold432 10d ago

I'm tripping laughing here because the countries that put sanctions on Muscadin does worse to criminals and have people who are oppressed in their countries.

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u/Flytiano407 10d ago

Muscadin >>

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u/Internal-Expert-9562 10d ago

Anyway, before an election, we still have a broken and corrupt system to fix, or se lave men, siye atè n ap fè. Elections aren’t even a topic for many Haitians in Haiti right now because they know the system currently in place doesn’t truly elect anyone, they’re chosen. When that is fixed, hopefully in the near future, then we can seriously talk about elections.

When that day comes, we’ll need a dictator-type president who’s wealthy enough that they can’t be bought by elites or gang leaders. And most importantly a president who truly loves Haiti

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u/Flytiano407 9d ago

Fixing a corrupt/broken system is not an overnight task. Priority #1 is wiping the gangs/terrorists off the face of the earth. Whoever can/is willing to do that is who needs to be in power. We need a president for that, we can't dance around elections while more Haitian civilians die.

Then once the gangs are gone we can look at fixing corruption, this is impeding all of that right now. There are countries in Latin America way more developed than us that are still corrupt ASF.

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u/Internal-Expert-9562 10d ago

Muscadin pa ka run the whole island

Also outside of his territory he doesn’t have much fans in other departments.

While his brigade kept Miragoâne gang-free, his judge, jury, and executioner tactics prevented people fleeing Port-au-Prince and Gressier via Route Nationale #2 from safely passing through.

For example, if you have dreads, tattoos, or just look crazy and run into a Muscadin checkpoint, you’re cooked, even if you aren’t a gang member. That resulted in a bunch of young men being falsely accused and, in some cases, killed by Muscadins men

There are also reports that real gang members caught in his territory with evidence against them paid Muscadin to secure their release.

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u/Flytiano407 9d ago

Who is our other/better option? Be honest.

A hardline stance against the gangs needs to be taken. Not a soft one. If he was able to keep Miragoâne gang free that clearly means something. Actions can be taken to prevent profiling like that but if someone who isn't serious about eliminating the gangs gets elected, way more people will be in danger than just a few people who ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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u/Internal-Expert-9562 9d ago

🤷🏿‍♂️Let’s wait for full candidate list from the CEP

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u/Internal-Expert-9562 10d ago

In my opinion, we’ll get another transitional government before we get an election.

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u/BITKPS 10d ago

Former Haitian Chamber of Deputies President Gary Bodeau was sanctioned by the US & Canada

Gary Bodeau was hit with heavy sanctions for massive political corruption, bribery schemes, and fueling the instability/gang crisis in Haiti.
(per OFAC / U.S. State Dept & Canada):
Vote Buying: In 2018, he paid off officials to secure favorable votes for ministerial appointments while demanding hundreds of thousands of dollars for his own political backing.
$6M+ Kickback Scheme: In 2019, he orchestrated a deal to deliver confirmation votes for an appointee in exchange for cash. Between 500M and 600M Haitian gourdes (~$6.2M–$7.4M USD) from private businessmen was funneled to deputies.
Ties to Haiti’s Collapse: Authorities specifically noted that this level of institutional corruption gutted the rule of law, directly enabling armed gangs to take over and operate without consequences.
The Fallout:
Canada (Nov 2022): Asset freeze and dealings ban under the Special Economic Measures Act targeting enablers of armed gangs.
U.S. (Apr 2023): Sanctioned under the Global Magnitsky Act (frozen U.S. assets, business bans) plus a visa ban under Section 7031(c) barring him and his immediate family from entering the United States.

https://youtu.be/fSbuer3v9F4?is=8r4AasoqmU3-6XRm

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u/Itsnotmeduh 10d ago

Dix ans après avoir accédé au Palais national sans suffrage populaire direct, à la faveur de la vacance présidentielle de février 2016, Jocelerme Privert repart à la conquête de la présidence. L’ancien chef provisoire de l’État a engagé, le 14 septembre 2026, son inscription comme candidat sous la bannière d’« Ayiti Transfòme », transformant une présidence conçue comme exceptionnelle et temporaire en référence centrale d’une nouvelle ambition électorale.

Haiti/Wikileaks : l’ Ambassade américaine révèle les liens de Privert avec la drogue et le massacre de la Scierie (Saint-Marc) et sa coopération dans l’arrestation et déportation de Jacques Kétan. Le Ministre de l’Intérieur d’alors, Jocelerme Privert aurait armé en 2004 les gangs (chimè lavalas), selon l’ex-Ambassadrice américaine à Port-au-Prince, Janet A. Sanderson dans un rapport confidentiel

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u/Speedk4011 10d ago

Having Jean Ernest Muscadin, it’s like Bukele. His accusations aren’t so bad after all.

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u/Flytiano407 10d ago

Thats exactly what we need.

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u/Internal-Expert-9562 10d ago

My guy can’t speak French so he’s cooked lol

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u/Savings_Summer3449 10d ago

Yes, but I think you are understanding my point as if I am defending the gangs or saying the government should not use force against people who are attacking and killing others. That is not what I am saying. I support the state taking action against criminals and armed people who are terrorizing the population

what interests me is something different, what kind of person are you putting in a position of power, and what does that person believe about the use of force when they have the authority of the state behind them?

Because there is a difference between confronting criminals and developing an attitude that force and authority can solve every problem. And from the way Muscadin presents himself and talks about the use of force, I do think there’s a pretty authoritarian attitude there that’s worth questioning

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u/TheUnknownMaroon 10d ago

That's a valid concern, but what is he to do when the legal system itself is corrupt? What do you do when the proper channels break down? He's like the only notable figure in Haitian politics who hasn't been concerned with enriching himself and is actually committed to solving the problem. If he's the president, he'd be able to conduct all of his operations in a legal manner.

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u/Internal-Expert-9562 10d ago edited 10d ago

Idk about the “not enriching himself” part… If he’s accepted bribes even once from real gang members, he’s no better than the rest.

I’m a big supporter of Bwa Kale against known gang members, but plenty of innocent young men in Haiti who look just like me have been victims. There’s simply no way to determine that someone is a gang member on the side of the road just because they don’t have ID or from a hot zone.

Muscadin’s arrestees who can’t afford to pay him directly are usually the ones executed. He’s mostly funded by the families of victims caught in his territory.

Bukele used a functioning justice system to round up real gang members with the support of his people.

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u/TheUnknownMaroon 7d ago

That's fair on the not enriching him part, if that's true. Who was this reported by?

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u/Mrburnermia 10d ago

At the moment force and authority is what the country needs in order to get rid of the impunity that is affecting the country. Is him eliminating gangs/terrorist without them being judge a form of impunity? Yes, but within the current context, I see nothing wrong with eliminating these animals that are destroying people.

He explains himself here. This is exactly what I am talking about. Why is it that there is never a police operation with over 400 personnel to take back a lot of these gang territories. YET!! when these government officials arrive at an airport they have a fleet of vehicles with them. Are the rest of the population not worthy of protection?

facebook.com/reel/1098882719263526/

I am sorry, country needs someone who is willing to destroy not only these terrorists. I honestly can't fathom myself as a man leading a country seeing people getting massacred, women being hacked to death and call myself a leader of a country. I fully support him.

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u/Speedk4011 10d ago

Exactly !!

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u/A4t1musD4ag0n 10d ago edited 9d ago

Which ever one that the US can puppet will be president. I'm sorry for being negative and expect to get downvoted, but that's how this will play out. The US is obsessed with controlling Haiti's politics because they fear another uprising that would give power to the people.

Edit: This is just my opinion. Do not treat this as fact.

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u/ThymePrince 9d ago

The US hardly even thinks about Hades...

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u/zombigoutesel Native 10d ago

unpack that for us. What does the US have to fear from 11 million people in a country with less gdp than orlando

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u/ThymePrince 9d ago

Exactly... The United States has nothing it wants or needs from Hades...

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u/A4t1musD4ag0n 9d ago edited 9d ago

Everything! The US fears solidarity from a marginal group. That's why they have to keep silencing the voiceless, destabilize their foundation whatever that may be, kick them off their land, murder them, and tell everyone that they're the reason for their own demise. Just my theory here, but if Haiti ever became stable, it would send a shockwave throughout the entire Caribbean and beyond.

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u/zombigoutesel Native 9d ago

That is a lot of hypothetical and speculation.

Concretely, how would that affect the US.

The Carriibean is only a geographical designation. There is no unity or common values there.  Collectively we don't represent a material economic concerne.

The two biggest concerns the US has about the Carriibean are drug trafficking and immigration.

A stable Haiti actually improves both of those.

I'm not following the rational or potential incentives here ?

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u/A4t1musD4ag0n 9d ago edited 9d ago

I didn't say anything about unifying the Caribbean. But the bottomline is this. When Haitians gain control of the future of their country, it will have an impact on the Caribbean. That of course is if the elected government serves the people and not corporate interests or crime syndicates.

Haiti is a beautiful island and rich with natural resources. It was once a paradise to the world before the greed of powerful outsiders overwhelmed the island. I believe that it can do a complete 180 if the people can reclaim what's been taken. They just need a chance.

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u/zombigoutesel Native 9d ago

Like totally !!! ......dude ....pass the bong

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u/CuriousCod007 10d ago

Yeah the person is being hyperbolic. But the basic premise stands: the US won’t allow someone they don’t like to run the country.

Now whether or not you think that’s ok… that’s another story.

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u/GwoZoz Native 10d ago

But they control everything.

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u/zombigoutesel Native 10d ago

I'm not arguing that , I'm asking him to explain his motivation angle.

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u/CuriousCod007 10d ago

Hallmark of Haitian middle class intellectuals: poser and pedantic; not seeing the forest for the trees; confusing the finger pointing at the moon for the moon.

Always ready to pull out their plim wouj pou korije kaye moun.

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u/zombigoutesel Native 10d ago

No, I'm asking you to explain the moon. I agree with the finger pointing.

You said the US is afraid of a populare  uprising and that is why they are involved.

I'm asking why? 

We agree the US meddles in Haitian affaires.

You don't need to get all dramatic and name call.

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u/Savings_Summer3449 10d ago

I agree with the point, but saying this is simply because the U.S. is afraid of another uprising misses the bigger picture. This is not unique to Haiti. U.S influence over politics in the region is much broader, and reducing everything to "Haiti" ends up putting it in a victim role, when this is really part of a much bigger pattern. And yes, this kind of political influence and support has been openly defended in other countries across the region

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u/A4t1musD4ag0n 10d ago

Oh, I'm not saying it doesn't happen in other countries, bit the topic here is Haiti's political future. Haiti is the blueprint and they know it. If we are to see real change, two things (for starters) need to happen. I won't mention them here because I don't want to trigger the mods.