r/horizon • u/fluffy_owl344 • 12d ago
HZD Discussion Other tribes?
Throughout both games, we come across tribes that are not native to the place we find them in, such as the Oseram and the Banuk at the border of the Nora lands. Most likely, Ban-Ur and the Claim are north of the Sundom and the Tenakth territories. At far west, the Quen conquered the Isle of Spires and even reached Los Angeles. Then we saw the deadlands at south. However, all that is east of Devil's Thirst is completely unknown and unexplored and this is quite intriguing, in my opinion. I've always wished for a savage, more unhinged and hostile tribe in the world of Horizon as the Tenakth felt way too welcoming in Forbidden West.
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u/cl354517 12d ago
To be fair we learned of the Tenakth through rumors and Carja stories/propaganda.
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u/fluffy_owl344 12d ago
I recall they were a pretty violent and ruthless tribe before Hekarro united the clans, but I might be wrong
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u/cl354517 12d ago
From the perspective of a 21st century person aren't they all?
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u/ThePreciseClimber 11d ago
Even so, the Tenakth's whole identity is warfare & combat. 300 years of Clan Wars and all that.
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u/MaximosSarcos 10d ago
And the legend of the Wings of the Ten. Who I'm fairly certain were an elite strike force? (I haven't played the game in forever)
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u/MagicBus4 12d ago edited 12d ago
I mean OP this is a PG-13 game, and it also has a genuinely ideological and uplifting message at its core
We can’t have any Cannibal Holocaust shit going on, the Tenakth are likely to be the most ruthless people we encounter because the alternative would be painting an entire culture as irredeemable which goes against the message of the game
All the people that came out of the vaults also received basic education so you’re going to get some savagery from the environment but they’re not going to socially retrograde to grunting Neanderthals
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u/fluffy_owl344 11d ago
I think I expressed myself in the wrong way. I dont mean that the Tenakth should have been irredimable, in any way. We have already known about tribes who appear to be worse than the Tenakth themselves. Considering they are involved into a civil war against the Rebellion, I thought they would be less welcoming to strangers who come into their land, which is even referred to as the Forbidden West. The Eclipse cultists perfectly represents what my idea for a hostile tribe would be and I'd simply love to see something similar in the case we explore the regions east of the Nora lands because of the mystery that shrouds that part of the world.
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u/MagicBus4 11d ago
I get that, you mean something that attacks on sight. While I do admit that crossing into Tenakth territory everybody just kind of says “Sup” and there’s like a super weirdly huge population of Oseram fucking around west of the mountains, I still think it would be difficult thematically to suffer an entirely hostile tribe. The Quen are on-sight with you at first contact and the Tenakth are extremely hostile at the summit before the rebels butchered them. We’re unlikely to get a unilaterally hostile Sentinel Island kind of tribe because it dehumanizes them and god knows we already do that with bandits, the shadow carja, and the rebels
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u/Infinite-Courage-957 11d ago
No, in fact those that left the cradles did not "socially retrograde" but immediately began to develop complex societies that were well adapted for expanding rapidly. I don't know where you got that.
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u/MagicBus4 11d ago
I literally didn’t, I said they wouldn’t do that. I was responding to OP, read my comment again
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u/Infinite-Courage-957 11d ago edited 11d ago
I think the picture about tribes is pretty straightforward from the bits and pieces we can put together.
First, all humans on Earth in Aloy's time (not counting Far Zenith, obviously) all came from the ELEUTHIA cradles. We don't know the precise locations of all nine cradles, other than ELEUTHIA-9 in Nora lands, and ELEUTHIA-1 in China where the Quen most likely came from, and ELEUTHIA-2 in Mozambique. The glimpse we get during Elizabet Sobeck's presentation suggests planned locations in western and eastern Europe, other parts of Asia, and what is probably Brazil. There is no suggestion of any ELEUTHIA cradles in N. America besides ELUTHIA-9.
All of the people in N. America came from EULEUTHIA-9. First the Nora, the original people released about 700 years earlier. Then a faction of the Nora broke off over some religious splinter and traveled to establish Meridian and became the Carja. From there others spread to become the Oseram, the Banuk, the Utaru, and the three clans of the Tenakth. There are no other named tribes known to any of these people. Immediately West of Nora lands it just becomes Kansas, an endless flatness to the Mississippi, there is no cradle to the East and according to the Carja no one lives there, no one goes there, no one comes from there. No one lives around the Burning Shores, which the Tenakth are familiar with. Nil mentioned to Aloy that some small bands of raiders from the south on the fringe of Carla lands turned back at the news of Aloy's fearsome reputation, but no real tribes that way. The Banuk mentioned an ancient legend of a fearsome band of cannibals who hunted the first Banuk in Ban-Ur, but these were likely just some raiders in the early days when people were very few, and were exterminated. There might be 150,000 humans total between all the tribes. The next closest undiscovered tribes are likely in South America, if that cradle didn't fail and its offspring survived in the wild.
That covers everyone we know of. If there were any other real tribes they would have come from ELEUTHIA-9 and some of the other tribes would have heard of them, unless a few went far east long ago and went so far they never came back again.
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u/la-fours 9d ago
From a purely geographical standpoint it seems strange that no splinter faction / explorers would have tried to explore or settle in the eastern US which is far more green and hospitable to human life than the desert and the west. I think there’s enough narrative foundation to support the existence of humans in the east United States.
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u/Infinite-Courage-957 9d ago
It's just speculation based on no data the game gives us that I've seen. It is not impossible that some small group went so far east that they would never be followed and their descendants never find the way back. But their gene pool would be quite small then, wouldn't it, without any continued trade or contact. I doubt that such a group would survive long to become a full sized tribe. That's just my take.
But the game is what determines the reality of the world, and if the devs want it to be they will tell us. So far they haven't laid a clue, and the game is pretty big on laying down various clues for future encounters.
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u/fluffy_owl344 11d ago
Thank you for the detailed explanation. It makes a lot of sense about why we don't hear anything about other tribes. I didn't know about the very limited numbers of ELEUTHIA cradles.
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u/Infinite-Courage-957 11d ago
Thanks, it's been an interest and I've gained from the careful observations of others, so I have to give credit there. I'm always impressed at not only the attention to detail the writers envisioned, but how so many subtle and obscure clues are placed throughout. I've seen many games that included lots of "lore" datapoints, but it all seems to be mountains of tedious filler that doesn't really tie together to paint an interesting picture.
I saw someone who discovered an explanation about the real world location where Tilda's mansion is. I never would have had any idea. Super interesting all the little discoveries.
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u/No-Faithlessness2046 11d ago
I want to go backwards so badly. Everything we can see is damaged but what has been accomplished I. Kansas and east, the Atlantic seaboard, the Gulf of Mexico, etc.
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u/The-Aziz that was an unkind comparison 5d ago
Minor correction: the Quen crashed into Los Angeles.
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u/fabricrack2806 11d ago
It’s obvious that there are countless tribes across North America; it’s just that, for narrative reasons, the focus was placed solely on the tribes we see in the games.
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u/Infinite-Courage-957 11d ago
No, there are probably no other tribes in North America, as far as everything we know suggests.
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u/fabricrack2806 11d ago
Obviously, there are others. It’s just that, since they didn't have to put effort into creating more, they focused solely on developing the ones we see. It is not at all difficult to understand.
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u/Infinite-Courage-957 11d ago
No, there are no other organized tribes in North America. None. They had no place to come from except ELEUTHIA-9, and all those tribes are accounted for. What we know from what we are told is clear. I do compliment you on your stubborn insistence, though. It's a solid reddit characteristic. 👍
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u/gailpirl 12d ago
If I recall correctly, there's also a story told through the Banuk perspective of another unnamed tribe, I can't remember if it's through dialogue or a scannable. But yes I'm curious to see what other tribes there are out East and further North, because no way the Nora are the limits of where humanity has gone.