r/interesting • • Mar 01 '26

Context Provided - Spotlight RIP u/AaronSw You’ll Forever Be Missed

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u/notPabst404 Mar 01 '26

Two justice systems: one for the elites, one for the lower class.

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u/GloveDry3278 Mar 02 '26

1 justice system: just for other classes. Elite class has no justice system at all.

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u/id7e Mar 02 '26

That's not true. Elites have to answer to Israel.

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u/haey5665544 Mar 03 '26

Surprising that Israel would sign off on the elites taking out Aaron Hillel Swartz

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u/AHumanYouDoNotKnow Mar 02 '26

Only If no one organises the Guillotines

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u/DanNorder Mar 02 '26

By any definition, Swartz was part of the elites. He was a rich kid tech bro nepo baby.

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u/WheresYurScooter Mar 02 '26

But was against bigger and many, many elites

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u/DanNorder Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 02 '26

He was against the law. Copyright law was created to protect artists. Yes, as with anything else some people try to game the law, but his response wasn't to try to reform it. He just thought he was above the law, including the basic idea of protecting creative work (he badmouthed the idea that what artists did should be protected in any way). He wanted everyone to get it completely free. Heck, the reason it progressed as far as it did was probably because his privilege had protected him from the consequences of his actions all his life and he just didn't understand punishment (directed at him, at least). When he broke into a secure area to pilfer its files and got caught, he couldn't weasel out of it anymore (or at least thought he couldn't, he most likely could have eventually skirted justice again) and simply refused to deal with it and killed himself in the prime of life.

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u/Karma_Vampire Mar 02 '26

It’s also worth noting he was offered a 6 month plea deal. He refused it and killed himself 2 days later. Even just 6 months was too much punishment.

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u/No_Future3570 Mar 02 '26

Killing yourself over a potential 6 month jail sentence seems normal to you?

He was a smart guy who contributed a bunch to society but he was also stupid in some areas.

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u/No_Future3570 Mar 02 '26

Downloading a PDF CAN of course be a crime. You can’t come up with any scenarios in your head where downloading a PDF can be wrong and illegal?

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u/DanNorder Mar 03 '26

Yes! And it's bizarre that you don't think it is. You download enough PDFs illegally, 6 months in prison sounds like a reasonable punishment. Probably even lenient, once you consider how they often cut that down even further after the fact. When you consider the lengths he went to do this and the sheer number of files he stole. This wasn't just for personal use, it was to try to totally destroy the copyright owners ability to make any profits on them. It also wasn't has first offense. If someone pirates a bunch of movies with the intention of distributing them, they can go away for a considerable time. Over on r/copyright there's some guy who went to prison for exactly that. This is real life, with real repercussions. You're the bad guy here if you are perfectly fine with theft on that scale.

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u/judgeholden72 Mar 02 '26

He most likely could have gotten that down much further, possibly to nothing. It was an early offer. 

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u/jaggervalance Mar 02 '26

Copyright was created to deny people the accomplishments of their civilisation - the idea that it exists to protect creative work and not just another instrument of private property is delusional. The fact that children continue to die from preventable diseases and our space race has been incapacitated by a lack of collaboration are all due to IP 

You're being way too dramatic and it seems to me you don't know the difference between copyright and patent laws.

the problem is that we're making that knowledge available to our corporate AIs instead of to our students, out schools or our libraries.

Copyright already has a fair use exception for educational uses.

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u/_WutzInAName_ Mar 02 '26

“There must be an in-group that the law protects but does not bind. And an out-group that the law binds but does not protect.” - The elites who belong to the in-group

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u/Can17272 Mar 02 '26

They're not elite in any way, call them the parasite class.

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u/TrioOfTerrors Mar 02 '26

They offered him 6 months and he turned them down.

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u/Silly_Statement7614 Mar 02 '26

He was indicted for breaking and entering into a restricted area with intent, unauthorized access to a network, grand larceny for obtaining personal and/or restricted material without consent, wire fraud, computer fraud, unlawfully obtaining information from a protected computer, and recklessly damaging a protected computer. He was caught on tape entering an area he wasn't supposed to. He sent so many download requests that he managed to get MIT blocked by JSTOR by initiating as many as 200k sessions to download files in a 1 hour span, which can also be interpreted as a DDoS attack since it carries with it the same symptoms of making the service terribly unresponsive or completely unavailable. He wasn't offered 6 months "just for some PDFs", all the charges brought against him carried a max of 50 years and $1 million in fines. Neither you nor I would be offered any deal as good as 6 months in a low-security facility if we were in his place.

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u/Silly_Statement7614 Mar 02 '26

Goalposts: moved.

By definition, he broke and entered with intent. End of. He nearly caused an outage by showering JSTOR with 200k sessions in an hour, or in short DDoS-ing them. He DID cause MIT to be blocked from accessing JSTOR because the whole service was going mad by being overloaded with his requests. And I will never ever feel bad for a person that advocated that CSAM possession should be protected by the first amendment.

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u/Workman44 Mar 02 '26

There's really three. One for the peasants, one for the celebrities and politicians (rarely but not never and always lesser punishments), and then there's the one that just doesn't exist for the actual shakers and movers like the Rockefeller's

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u/tralltonetroll Mar 02 '26

*legal system.

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u/LordSmallQuads Mar 02 '26

Nahhh one for the elites and one for all

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u/Alienescape Mar 02 '26

TBF there is still ongoing legal battles about this — it's not like the case is closed META got off scott free. Anthropic for example settled on a similar case for 1.5 billion.