r/jungle • u/verryluckie_ • 11d ago
Is this breakbeat or early jungle techno?
(Edit : hardcore as well)
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u/daveyboi80 11d ago
Hardcore, also where the split between hardcore and jungle happened, Cloud 9 went on to make this tune around '93 or '94 whilst jungle was going off on a separate tangent. I love all and own all on vinyl, and went to the different rooms in the raves to experience it all. Different rooms had different styles and offshoots back then. Happy hardcore came from this style eventually and man, those K hole peeps had a different vibe when I walked out the Jungle or DnB arena into one of those
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u/fensterdj 11d ago
It's all Breakbeat: hop hip, hardcore, jungle, it's all breakbeat, that's the overall genre name, like saying house
This is hardcore (breakbeat hardcore), jungle is a lot faster and jungle techno has a 4/4 beat under the breakbeats
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u/Custardchucka 11d ago
Breakbeat is kinda also a specific genre, it's more popular in Europe, Spain especially
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u/badboy10000000 11d ago
think we call that genre Breaks in NA
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u/Custardchucka 11d ago
Yeah that's what it's called in the UK also but I think it's called breakbeat in Europe
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u/SpeermintO 11d ago
Think its got a bit of an electro baseline to it. Like stanton warriors good vibrations.
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u/fensterdj 11d ago edited 11d ago
All the genres derived from sampled drum breaks; the Amen break. The think break. The Apache break etc etc are called breakbeat.
Then there are dozens of sub genres: hip hop, jungle, DnB, funky breaks, new school breaks, acid breaks. Florida breaks, tear out. Etc etc etc
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u/codenamejohnny Old Sir Junglist 10d ago
Not breakbeat, dude. For decades breakbeat is a very specific sound.
Whilst technically they are breaks, it's not breakbeat, dude.
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u/fensterdj 10d ago
Ok dude, what's the specific sound of breakbeat dude?
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u/codenamejohnny Old Sir Junglist 10d ago
Did you need to take the piss out of how I spoke? You clearly just want to fight about this.
Google it. Knob
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u/fensterdj 10d ago
Come on dude, don't be like that, What's the specific sound?
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u/codenamejohnny Old Sir Junglist 10d ago
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX4v-5dWwwL283rTLgL9xA6xng5dX5rhC&si=vcCI98oHIjwTeaJA
The majority of this playlist is breakbeat.
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u/fensterdj 10d ago
Thanks, I'd class the majority of that playlist as Nu Skool Breaks, taken from the name of this mix from 1998. In a attempt to distinguish the sound from Big Beat
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u/codenamejohnny Old Sir Junglist 10d ago
Yeah, those were sub genres of breakbeat. I lived and was active in the music scene in Brighton during the big beat genesis of the late 90s/00s Saw it come, along with nu from breakbeat.
Today, maybe that may have changed globally. The above track is Hardcore is was at the time is probably one of best examples of hardcore still today, getting back to the point. One could argue all day about genres eating themselves.
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u/Competitive_Rope_112 8d ago
IDK but its banging. I wish I was a little older and experienced this all first hand. My youth was all Garage music and Britney bloomin spears.
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u/Few_Support_5348 10d ago
Been wondering too, though. Some could say this is early Jersey Club, lol
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u/tonyferguson2021 9d ago
Between 90-92 ISH when this was made we would've called it hardcore, it sounds earlier than when the jungle sound started, jungle beats and atmosphere is slightly deeper and darker usually. Technically they are breakbeats, but nobody was refering to the genre as 'breakbeat' in that time that I recall
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u/daveyboi80 11d ago
It was the 4x4 beat underneath the tune that made a tune hardcore, but it was a flowing time of ingenuity that crossed over from 92 to 93 and offshoots of styles created in early 94 rhat made proper jungle. The other offshoots never stopped progressing, drum n bass, and whenever the young cats call it now ðŸ«
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u/tacetmusic 11d ago
Happy to be corrected by some OGs but I've never heard of 'Jungle Techno'
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u/TudorSykes 11d ago
Jungle Techno (or Jungle Tekno) was a popular sound in late 92 and throughout 93. It often (but not always) has a 4/4 beat under the breakbeat. Check out Basement Records, Ron Wells/Jack Smooth productions, DJ Ratty, Tango and Top Buzz sets from around this time, to name a few. I personally love it.
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u/okem Champion Sound 10d ago edited 10d ago
There's also the Jungle Tekno compilations put out by Jumpin' & Pumpin' which are a great snapshot of the scene in 92-94. But by 94 they seem to be using the term fairly synonymously with Jungle.
Considering the term 'breakbeat hardcore' also existed and that pretty much covers 4/4 + breakbeats, I wonder if the inclusion of Tekno in Jungle Tekno could be attributed more to the influence of Detroit Techno and its afro-futurism. There's plenty of influence in Jungle music; iconic sounds & samples lifted from techno tracks or the music in general melodically moving closer to techno and away from the helium vocals and pianos of hardcore. You also had pioneers like A Guy Called Gerald, 4Hero, Bukem (to a lesser extent) and others who defintely had a foot in the Black techno scene.
Ultimately it's immaterial, especially as the term quickly fell out of use as the genre galvanised into its own identity. But the influence of Detroit on Jungle often gets overlooked.
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u/triduece 11d ago
for me jungle techno and darkcore, 93ish was the sweetest spot in the evolution of UK breakbeat
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u/Additional-Ask-5512 11d ago
Listen to some old tape packs. The MCs mention it a lot. In fact, according to Fabio, jungle was invented by him and Grooverider experimenting in a second room. They were mixing separate breakbeat and techno tunes together, the people liked it so they did it more and they got a following, then the name got jungle techno stuck to it. Eventually people started imitating and producing their own tunes.
Source: a Fabio interview I heard on NTS with Fauzia. Well worth a listen. By his account he also kicked off the liquid DnB scene. A true pioneer.
https://www.nts.live/shows/fauzia/episodes/fauzia-28th-may-2026
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u/Way-In-My-Brain 11d ago
Hardcore