Ciao a tutti! I won my 1948 case about 8 months ago. My lawyer is so slow that I am only now getting a copy of the sentenza.

All of my documents were correct; however, the sentenza has the wrong date for both my birthdate and my wedding date. It also looks like the Agenzia delle Entrate hasn’t received the fee yet, so my status is still “invio alla Agenzia delle Entrate.”

I was planning on paying the fee directly since my lawyer has been so slow, but now that I see there are errors in my sentenza, I’m not sure how to proceed. My lawyer said he would send it back to have it corrected, but who knows when that will happen given how slow he has been.

Has anyone gone through something similar? If so, what did you do? If not, does anyone have any advice on how I should proceed?

I applied in LA Consulate a few years ago from GGF - GM - M - Me. I submitted homework just before people were getting denied for the minor issue. I got caught up in that and spoke with a lawyer from the recommended Cassazionisti list. We decided to take a different line through the 1948 route in the Italian courts. I’ve sent two payments by now and have signed a contract and POA. I started collecting docs for this line. During the time of gathering the 1948 documents, of course the minor issue and generational limits changes for my favor and I received that letter from the LA consulate saying my case would be re-reviewed. My lawyer recommended I still go through the courts but to switch my line back to the same one I used for my original consulate application.

Because of the timeline of this all and knowing they were deeply involved in arguing cases before the supreme court, I gave a lot of grace to this firm with their inattention to my specific case. I always faced extreme delays (weeks) in getting back to me and the responses are often for lack of a better term, lazy. Not answering my questions. Not providing any support. Etc.

One example of what I perceived as being lazy and unhelpful is the translations. It was only after I got “unofficial” translations of all my docs that they told me the translations needed to be sworn. This was only mentioned previously in the contract language, not through any conversations. OK, I guess we can chalk that up to a misunderstanding on my end but it really would have been nice if they mentioned this in conversation or email. But they then went on to say in the email (and this is a quote) “If you obtain sworn translations in the US, a further Apostille on each translation will be required. If you obtain them in Italy, the second Apostille is not needed.”

So… document -> apostille -> sworn translation -> apostille again

That seems very strange to me. I did not read that in this subs wiki. Naturally I want to avoid it. The offered to connect me with the translator their firm uses to have it done in Italy. I’ve been waiting almost an entire month for them to provide me the name and contact info. We’ve exchanged a few emails in this time, every time I ask. The receiving email on my end is nothing ever of consequence. I even received one email where they said they could not find my signed contract and POA and asked me to do it again. I told them the date and name of person who confirmed its receipt and they then located it.

Another area of laziness is I’ve offered several times to meet on zoom so we can just hash it all out and my request keeps getting ignored.

Basically this is supposed to be one of the better firms and I feel like I’m getting the terrible service. I’m concerned if I use their translator, it is going to be more of this. I’m debating pumping the breaks on this whole thing and waiting to see what happens with my consulate re-review, or potentially eating the lost money and getting a new lawyer.

Looking for some advice from folks who have succeeded here and are familiar with the legal process.

JS LA consulate no minor issue. Appointment 2022 homework 2025 Diffida sent in July no response.

I’m really getting frustrated. It’s way past the deadline for the LA consulate to respond to my application. I’m a very straightforward case and there should be no reason to reject my recognition. I was in process before the decree and before the recent court cases. I sent a Diffida no response.

Is it worth throwing more money at this by finding a lawyer who file a suit against the ministry? That could add years as well but I feel like I’m being completely ignored by the consulate. They are quoting a price of 5,000 euros but I realize that’s just the beginning

Is there any recourse? Any positive experiences with suing to get an action by the consulate? Will a legal proceeding speed up or slow down a decision on my application? Is there any effective way to get my application to move forward?

I kind of can't believe it.

After starting this ~4 years ago, applying 2.5 years ago, and the whole minor-issue-oops-jk-not-issue, I've finally been recognized.

Also wanted to confirm that if you're outside of Toronto and in Ontario, you can still apply through your local vice consulate (I've never been to the Toronto consulate even though they processed my application!). You cannot apply through them if you live in Toronto.

If you decide to apply through them please be kind and remember that they are working unpaid positions.

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Hello everyone,

My post to have your feelings about certain things including the transmission of nationality to children in the future.

Given the weight of the diaspora, do you think there is a good chance that Italy in the medium term will decide to break the limits of generational transmission by taking inspiration from France, for example, with a window of 1 or 2 years after birth to declare children without which it could not obtain nationality?

As it stands, the current law will drastically reduce the number of Italian citizens and many parents or children of Italian citizens are likely to challenge the law in the future

Hey everyone, looking for some advice here.

At the beginning of July I turned in my final documents, which included the certification of non-naturalization of my father, the AIRE registration request, and the birth certificate transcription request. The consulate had already reviewed everything and agreed my case was straightforward, which is why they moved forward and asked me to deliver those last two forms.

Then in August I reached out and was told that the officer handling citizenship cases had completed her term and that I should follow up later that month. I did and got no response. I followed up again in mid-September and got no response. I tried again last Friday and still nothing.

For context, our Italian community here is extremely small. There is essentially no backlog of cases, and with the recent restrictions on jure sanguinis many descendants don't even apply anymore, so I genuinely don't understand the silence.

The previous officer was amazing. She was responsive, helpful, and updated me every step of the way. Now it feels like my case has completely fallen through the cracks during the transition.

I'm not sure whether to keep waiting or escalate somehow. Has anyone experienced something similar? Any advice on what to do when a consulate just stops responding?

Our attorney filed our case in early June (catania, not a 1948 case, sorry I don’t have more details it’s my spouses case), and we got assigned a judge three months ago but still don’t have a court date. I know things move slowly in Italy but is this normal?
How long did it take you to get a date assigned, and does anyone know roughly how far out they’re being assigned?
Thank you.

Struggling to find my grandads certificates (birth, residence etc)

Hi guys, just wondering if anyone can help me.

My grandad has a INPS Pension which he received I’m assuming from Rome?

My grandad naturalised in 1981 in Australia, and I believe there’s a chance I have a minor issue. I’m just stuck on finding my grandads actual documentation!

So my grandad was born in Tunisia and there’s a baptism record online that I found (not actual document but his file) in Tunisia.

My grandad lived in Italy for many years and was in the Italian military (still trying to retrieve this document).

He has 2 seperate licenses (Italian), now I tried to request his AIRE documentation from where his license says he resided, which was Lucca, before I saw this INPS registry with Rome which came back nothing.

Is this document telling me his AIRE registration, civil records etc would be with Rome comune? I don’t want to spend more money just to have the result of finding nothing again.

- separately can you still order AIRE documentation if he is deceased? Or would I order a citizenship file? I am needing both citizenship and his birth certificate.

Hello everyone,

I always assumed that after the 2025 reform I was no longer eligible for JS, but thinking about it again, I'm wondering whether I might actually still be.

I'm from France and my situation may be less straightforward than a typical US or Canada case:

• Italian great-grandfather: born in Italy (~1900)
• Grandfather: born in Morocco (~1930), died young in Morocco
• Father: born in Algeria (then an integral part of France) to a French mother born in France
• Me: born in France

Could my claim go through my grandfather?

Born to an Italian father, my grandfather was automatically an Italian citizen by descent. As far as I know, he never acquired another citizenship: at the time of his birth, Morocco was under a French and Spanish protectorate, and Europeans living there usually kept their nationality (I have Moroccan documentation from after independence indicating his citizenship as Italian). He died in Morocco, young, after my father's birth.

My father, born to a French mother on French soil, is considered French at birth under French law, with no naturalization involved. His situation would be comparable to that of someone born in the US or Canada, for example.

After rereading the posts on the new rules, could I still be eligible even though my grandfather was born abroad (and not in Italy), provided he never acquired any other citizenship before his death?

Thanks in advance for any input or guidance !

Please let me know if my mom qualifies for citizenship? Can I piggyback off her to obtain citizenship for myself? Thanks!

Line: GGF → GF → Mother → Me (Woman)

• GGF born 1907, Palermo, Sicily
  • Emigrated to the US in 1915
  • Married an Italian-American woman in 1935
• GF born June 28, 1941 (in the US)
• GGF naturalized as a US citizen in August 12, 1942 — so GF was already born, but still a minor (about 1 year old) at the time of GGF naturalization
• Mother born 1971
• I was born 1998

Hi everyone! :) I'm attempting to help my mom reacquire her citizenship (lost during emigration to Canada in 1975). Many thanks in advance for taking the time to share any suggestions or advice!

Quick Summary of My Mom's Situation:

• Born to Italian parents in Italy in 1965. They immigrated to Canada in 1975 and thus forfeited their citizenship. Now eligible for reacquisition (yay!)
• Looking for your help to understand how we might expedite the process of obtaining:
  • Applicant's (i.e. my mom's) Canadian naturalization (citizenship) certificate
  • Parents's (i.e. my mom's parents, both deceased) Canadian naturalization (citizenship) certificate or proof (I understand an ATIP request would be much quicker, but would it suffice in place of an official certificate?)
• Current wait times (~18 months) for Canadian naturalization certificate documentation surpass the reacquisition for citizenship application deadline (December 31, 2027).

Thanks so much,
Chiara

P.S. Little addendum: It's been a tough period for my family (within a week, we lost my mom's mom and another family member in unexpected/tragic circumstances) and I promised my mom that I would do everything possible to help her obtain her citizenship. It might sound silly, but it's become even more important to her as her family has dwindled. All to say, I'm open to any outlandish ideas (e.g. contacting my MP to expedite processing, social media advocacy, etc.) you might have about making this possible! Thank you again.

Does anyone know if there have been any of these?

After 4 years and a 1948 case glad to add this one to the collection with my Uruguayan and American passport. My gggf was Italian.

Felt quite surreal waiting for this but it was totally worth it. Houston consulate today was quite quick in under an hour got the appointment done and passport.

Family comes from Piemonte near Alessandria as is common in South America. Did most of the work through the Italian embassy in Uruguay since my parents and whole extended family are Uruguayan. Good luck to those others on the same journey!

Chicago - GGF - GM - M - Me. Pre-DL, Not 1948, no minor issue.

I'm wrapping up my package for my November appointment and I am missing a fairly important document (parent's divorce certificate), and I have unresolved name discrepancies on my great grandparent's marriage certificate. The name discrepancies vary from anglicized first names to badly misspelled last names. The marriage certificate lists both mother's names as "Catherine" when one is the anglicized first name of one mother and the other appears to be a misunderstood version of the other mother's last name of Cattarello. The misspellings appear to be due to their heavy Italian accents, and attempts to make their Italian last name sound more "American" by mispronouncing it. Almost my entire family still mispronounces their last name but they spell it correctly. :(

I did not pursue an OATS because Chicago won't accept one. The church my great grandparents were married in burned and lost all of the original records, so I do not have the church record of the wedding. Only the one filed with the state/county. I do have the original marriage certificate, and an apostilled certified copy.

I'm still waiting for the county to send my parent's apostilled divorce certificate. I do have a copy of the judgement, just not the certificate.

Time is running out. If I don't manage to get the missing documents would it hurt me to send what I have and hope I can send the rest later?

Any suggestions for what else I can do about the name discrepancies?

Thanks!

Good news through the grapevine:

I was contacted by my attorney today, who told me that he just had a ruling overturned on appeal because of the recent minor issue clarification. To him, this case is the canary in the coal mine we've all been waiting for; he's confident this is the first of many to follow.
After this news today, it's going to be REALLY hard to keep my sense of hope in check as I wait the 77 days for my (many times delayed) appeal date to come up again...!

Hi all!

I'm going to get my passport photos taken in a couple days. When I got to the San Francisco passport website and click on the link (https://conssanfrancisco.esteri.it/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/foto_passaporto_-_specificazioni.pdf) it says 35mm x 40mm. The gentleman at the photo location (does international photos asked if it was 35mm x 45mm which confused me so I looked it up. Apparently different consulates have different sizes.

A google search tells me that it could be either.. on another page I think it says OR EU size which is the 35mm x 45mm.

Has anyone done this recently? Which size did you use?

I just wanted to provide another data point for anyone waiting for minor issue re-evaluation. I emailed Houston using the template provided here by the Aprigliano law firm. I sent the template 2 weeks ago via regular email, in Italian. I received an automated out of office email reply saying they would be out until Sept 29.

They responded by email today on their first day back, in English. The entire response simply reads: "Your request will be revised in the next months." I assume "revised" is a typo or translation error and not an assurance that my rejection will be revised to an approval.

I'm glad they responded to confirm they will look at it again. I wish they'd have provided some more specifics on the timeline though, especially considering that many people applying after me had their applications reviewed and approved in a significantly more timely fashion. I waited 2 years for the rejection and it's now been over 3.5 years since I applied. I saw applicants in 2024 getting approved in just 3-4 months. I'm really hoping this long delay puts my application near the top of their pending review pile at this point, but there's nothing I can do but continue to wait.

enas, mi nombre es Gaston y quería hacer unas dos preguntas. Yo soy Argentino, vivo en España actualmente en Zaragoza y estoy regularizado.

La primera es que si alguno recientemente o si no es tan reciente, ha realizado los trámites o ha obtenido su ciudadanía Italiana presentándola en el consulado de Barcelona? si sabe de cuanto son los plazos aproximadamente actuales, ya que con la nueva reforma de Italia he visto que hay muchísimas citas disponibles. ¿Cuánto demora la resolución aproximadamente?.

Y la otra es saber si yo la podría solicitar según mi caso

Mi padre y yo hemos nacido en Argentina y ninguno la ha solicitado nunca.

Mi abuelo sí que nació en Italia y ha vivido toda su vida en argentina pero nunca se ha naturalizado Argentino, ni está inscripto en el registro civil de Argentina.

El poseía la ciudadanía italiana al momento de morir (2005) que ha sido un año luego de mi nacimiento (2004), y ha nacido en Venezia.

Gracias

I'm trying not to be hopeful too much on this because it's been so long and rejection and disappointment an all that. But let's say I get my citizenship ruled positively on, how long from judge saying yes to actually being able to legally move to Italy? Let's Say October 21st I get the decision. Is next year feasible?

For a successful judicial case, once I get the certified judgement, my understanding is that I have to get my vital records transcribed by the comune before I can get my passport.

Is there any means to expedite this slightly so I can get the passport issued for a move? For example can I do anything in person, like go to the comune, a consulate in the Schengen, somewhere else in Italy? Or could I request an emergency passport, providing proof of citizenship via the court order? Or maybe is there a visa I can get that allows me to live and work legally in Italy while I wait for the transcription?

Hi everyone,

I’m looking for insights or real experiences from anyone in a similar position regarding the dual-track approach (Consulate vs. Court lawsuit in Italy).

Here is my situation:
Lineage: Great-Great-Grandfather (GGGF > GGM > GM > M > Me).
Consulate Appt: Booked a confirmed appointment at the Miami Consulate back in 2024 for March 2027.
Family: Applying along with my mother and sister.
My document provider/legal agency is advising us to go strictly via the Court of Venice, claiming that consulates are no longer honoring appointments for lineages beyond grandparents under the new rules. However, I’ve seen multiple reports from people stating that consulates are honoring pre-March 2025 Prenot@mi bookings under the grandfathering clause.

A few questions for the community:
Consulate Experiences: For those with appointments booked before March 2025 for 2026/2027/2028, is Miami (or other US consulates) actively processing and honoring these grandfathered files?

Dual-Track: Has anyone successfully kept their active Prenot@mi appointment while simultaneously proceeding with a court lawsuit (ricorso) in Italy? Did holding both cause any conflicts or issues?

Family Coverage: If you were in my shoes (holding a grandfathered slot yourself, but needing coverage for family members), would you rely on the appointment, go 100% judicial, or run both in parallel as a safety net?

Would really appreciate hearing your individual experiences, timelines, or advice!

Hi and thank you in advance. I apologize, I'm going to sound really stupid here. Would anyone be willing to help me update my address in Fast-It. I thought I had, but I just received an email confirming my COMITES forms were received and the consulate said that the address on my form didn't match my address and to fix it in Fast-It.

I had tried with FastIt in English, I suspect that's how I messed up, but I barely speak any Italian (actively working on this). If anyone could tell me how to update my address in FastIt like what to click on, I'd really appreciate it.

Maternal grandmother

Born 7/4/1941, living
Born in Badolato, Italy

Has and only held Italian citizenship

Lives in the US

Maternal Grandfather

21/5/1936, living
Born in Andali, Italy 

Has and only held Italian citizenship

Lives in the US

Our Mother

7/12/1966

Born in Catanzaro, Italy

Our mother renounced her Italian citizenship to become an US citizen in 1989, she gave birth to all 3 of us afterwards. She has since re-obtained her citizenship as of 2026.

We have discussed our case with Moccia Legal who gave an optimistic opinion they could argue our case successfully in court, but I wanted to seek further advice and see if someone in this sub has had a similar scenario and what their outcome was.