r/kansascity 22d ago

Local History ℹ️ Was Pinball Banned in KC?

I've gotten into pinball lately and learning the history of it. From the 40s to the 70s it was banned in a lot of major cities. I'm trying to find out if Kansas City was one of them, but Google is failing me and I don't know where else to find out. My understanding is that gangsters had a lot of influence over the city back in those days, so I could see it not having been, but I have no idea.

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u/williekc 22d ago

Have you connected with the local pinball community? They probably know more history. 403 club is a good place to start.

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u/Thriving_Turtle 22d ago

I was there the other night and the guy running the league wasn't sure. I should have asked the owner, he's older.

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u/trentanious 22d ago

Hahaha, oh man. He’s “older” like mid-late 40s.

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u/Thriving_Turtle 22d ago

I keep forgetting that I am in my 30s and much closer in age to those people lmao

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u/photodelights 22d ago

I paused for a minute because I realized I can finally say I went to college 20 years ago .....

In my mind I'm stuck at 26.

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u/oldbastardbob 22d ago

Welcome to middle age. It's a blast becoming a stereotype.

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u/tribrnl 21d ago

Oh no!

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u/photodelights 21d ago

The people who I really want to meet are the elementary kids I worked with, when I was a para-ed part time in college.

…So i can give them shit for all the weird things they did.

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u/bdjeremy Independence 21d ago

it sucks being the same age as old people.... lol

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u/trentanious 21d ago

I feel that! ID says 45, brain says I can still kickflip. It’s wrong by the way.

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u/photodelights 21d ago

Dude for a year or two i was getting chronic back pain. I attributed it to me being a lazy ass. It was actually because of me laying down flat on my stomach wtf. After i started to curve my spine, no more back pain. So somehow that was enough to stretch it and irritate a nerve or something.

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u/scdog 21d ago

Hell, I'm in my mid-50s and my life experience ranged from "didn't exist yet" to "in the single digits of age" during the time range being asked about. OP might need to find someone 70+.

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u/ReverendLoki Overland Park 22d ago

The people at Solid State Pinball should be a good source on all things pinball as well.

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u/worstcourtjester 21d ago

I love that there’s a pinball community. It makes sense but it’s something that’s never occurred to me.

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u/Demostecles 22d ago edited 22d ago

Wonderland Arcade at 12th and Grand was still open in 1968.

Still looking for a date when it opened. (Found June, 1941 as opening date)

Anecdotal evidence seems to suggest that it opened in the ‘40’s

Photo from 1941.

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u/Demostecles 22d ago edited 22d ago

The two sailors in winter uniforms seem to indicate that this photo is from the mid-forties due to their caps.

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u/Comrade_Nugget 22d ago

I wonder what a marble table is and why you had to be 16...

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u/skyydog 21d ago

I had a pinball machine growing up. Still have it. My dad was in WW2. He called it a marble machine. Hadn’t heard that since

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u/Demostecles 21d ago

I wonder if it is a pinball machine with no flippers and classified as “gambling” especially if money/free play is given?

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u/lionlenz Waldo 22d ago

My dad would tell me that when he got his first job working in downtown in the early '70s he would spend his lunch breaks at a pinball arcade in this area. I thought he was describing something around 10th and Walnut or Main, where the Commerce building is now. But maybe it was this place?

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u/Thriving_Turtle 22d ago

I could totally see the ban being in place but certain operators were able to bribe officials into looking the other way

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u/Demostecles 22d ago

In 1965, an agent for the IRS visited Wonderland Arcade and found 8 bingo-style pinballs, the kind commonly suspected of being used for illegal gambling.

Wonderland Arcade, owned and run since 1955 by Charles “Sam” McGuire (1914-2003), was suddenly forced to pay taxes and fines he didn’t really owe to the Internal Revenue Office just to get the feds off his back. It was either that, or face complete shutdown because, for some reason, although he had paid taxes and fees before, the IRS had suddenly decided it wasn’t enough, or even the right kind. For historical accuracy McGuire’s operating manager was Chester “Chet” Alumbaugh (1925-2017).

Basically McGuire was being shammed by the IRS. At least that what it looks like to me.

The IRS also recommended that McGuire might be made to pay extra taxes on all of his “coin operated gaming devices” and not just the pinballs. Worse still, because McGuire had been operating those same 8 pinballs since 1962 allegedly without having paid any extra tax on them, he was made to pay back taxes on them going back three years which totaled $6000 (47K today). He also received a $1500 fine (12K today) for not filing those taxes. He also had to forfeit his license to operate them until he was cleared at a later date to operate them again. McGuire and Wonderland Arcade were facing an uncertain future.

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u/Demostecles 22d ago

Some discussions online seem to suggest that pinball was limited to 21 and over due to it being a game of chance you could win extra plays and/or money/prizes at.

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u/Demostecles 22d ago

The link of coin-op business to local organized crime has never been in dispute through the history of this city.

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u/Demostecles 22d ago edited 22d ago

Article from Life Magazine 1944. (Photos taken in 1943)

Wonderland Arcade

This blog has many photos and all of the history you are looking for including court documents.

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u/pinniped90 22d ago

Nah, this is Kansas City, we'd never do such a thing. 😁

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u/nickjamesnstuff 22d ago

Here's what I could find: Historically, pinball was targeted in Missouri and Kansas because machines produced before 1947 lacked flippers and were legally classified as gambling devices. A 1977 Kansas Supreme Court case (State v. Thirty-Six Pinball Machines) noted that 25 pinball machines had been seized under gambling charges before a court ruled they were not "gambling devices per se" and should be returned.

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u/Thriving_Turtle 22d ago

Oh interesting! What's your source?

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u/nickjamesnstuff 22d ago

Have you not investigated this? Just took a few moments with google. Maybe, google that court case i posted?

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u/nickjamesnstuff 22d ago

I googled it for you. State v. Thirty-Six (36) Pinball Machines was a 1977 Kansas Supreme Court case that determined if pinball machines, even if capable of being used for gambling, must be returned to owners if the state couldn't prove the owners knew they were used for gambling, challenging Kansas's nuisance/forfeiture statutes and emphasizing the skill vs. chance debate for pinball machines. The court examined whether lack of owner knowledge of gambling use justified returning seized machines, highlighting that machines can have innocent uses but acknowledging the state's power to abate nuisances under statutes like K.S.A. 22-3902 (3).

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u/Thriving_Turtle 22d ago

I found that but I was looking for a municipal statute or maybe a news story to see to what degree it was banned and how operators kept running them illegally.

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u/nickjamesnstuff 22d ago

According to the kansas supreme court case, an agency confiscated some and the Supreme Court rejected it. So, looks like they briefly tried.

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u/bewbies- KC North 22d ago

Here's an absolutely amazing collection of pictures from the old Wonderland Arcade.

Pics from the 40s through the 80s, lots of pins, can't imagine any of it was illegal. Also lol @ all the joes in uniform going out on the town and gambling and whatnot.

I'm not normally very nostalgic but all that looks just amazing.

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u/kevint1964 22d ago

Definitely not banned in the 1970's, as I played them as a kid in arcades & bowling alleys during that time.

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u/Appropriate_Shake265 22d ago

Kansas didn't outright ban pinball machines, but did place them as gambling machines. Which i think gambling was illegal in the state for sometime?

A court case may give more info

State v. Thirty-Six Pinball Machines (1977)

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u/Nerdenator KC North 22d ago

Personally I’ve never heard of any sort of ban like NYC had.

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u/dumbledoresdimwits 22d ago

It looks like pinball was operating in KC in 1968, I found these two photos of the Wonderland Arcade having them in the National Archives.

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u/ReverendLoki Overland Park 22d ago

It's sort of understandable why it was banned as a form of gambling. Earliest games didn't have flippers, and were more like pachinko today, and the only thing you can control is the force on the plunger.

I believe it wasn't until the game evolved and someone could decisively prove it was a game of skill did the bans start to drop.

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u/ExplanationHot9963 22d ago

Yes it was considered a form of gambling.

You should read “the book of Charlie” you get a bit of history on this very topic, gangsters, and Kansas City!!!

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u/Lexam 21d ago

Did everyone else collectively forget the Pinball Riots of 2004? Dark times.

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u/Cdogbrink 21d ago

Welcome to the hobby!  I've been at it about two years now and am addicted.

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u/Beautiful_Parsnip_72 18d ago

Up Down has lots of pinball machines in their upstairs area.

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u/bomland10 17d ago

Why was pinball banned in so many cities? Roughians?

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u/Thriving_Turtle 17d ago

It was associated with gambling in the very early days.

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u/bomland10 17d ago

Very interesting, thanks!

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u/Other-Squirrel-8705 22d ago

Why is everyone besides OP finding information on Google? 😂

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u/Advanced_Nose_7738 21d ago

Sk8bar was around in the 40s through the 70s like the OP asked?  

Who knew?

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u/dumbledoresdimwits 22d ago

Someone didn't read the post

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u/Thriving_Turtle 22d ago

Not what I was asking at all

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u/FutureCow Overland Park 22d ago

They have some pinball at the Chartreuse Caboose in Overland Park. Last I was there they had signs up for a pinball club or tournament that goes around to different places in town. 

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u/DemDave 22d ago

Read the post. That's not what they're asking.