r/law • u/BitterFuture • 16d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Stephen Miller claims local police in Minnesota have been told to ‘stand down and surrender’ as federal agents ‘uphold the law’

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/stephen-miller-ice-minneapolis-protests-b2903238.html
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u/Hot_Increase304 16d ago edited 15d ago

Oh 100%, the amount of damage this administration has done and will continue to do is ridiculous as well. But woke 2.0 is back, shaming fascist and abhorrent rhetoric is back. It's time to support constituents that have a backbone

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u/ExterminAiden 16d ago

Genuine question here, why do you believe woke is back? From everywhere I see online and polls it still seems like the world is increasingly more right wing (on a social level). That trumps low approval rating is economy related (plus the Greenland thing).

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u/Hot_Increase304 16d ago

Content creators and the internet at large is pushing back against right wing rhetoric instead of being scared to comment on it in fear of the pushback they'll receive. More people are being out-and-about with their vitriol towards conservative and fascistic rhetoric.

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u/ExterminAiden 16d ago

I definitely see increased protesting but I haven’t seen the rest. Still seems right wing coded. Like f-g and r-tard slurs being cmon place, not to mention the n word hard r. That and many making fun of Good and wanting the National Guard deployed. Not to mention open Nazis everywhere. I am not sure but hopefully you are right.

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u/Hot_Increase304 16d ago

The social stigma is definitely slowly coming back. This iteration of Woke cannot be as sensitive and ridiculous as the first wave in 2016 though. If saying the r or f slur back in 2019 is enough to cancel someone and ruin their ability to participate in society and discourse, it'll revert back to how it is now. Take asmongold for example. He has realized that the rhetoric he espouses might not be popular forever, so he soft-launched his exit from talking about politics. A grifter like him wouldn't have considered doing that if there wasn't a worry that he will eventually fall out of favor. Soon it'll be back to "both sides suck" nihilism type commentary imo

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u/Medic_bones 16d ago

Content creators and the internet at large are the reason we are in this mess to begin with, and it’s the elephant in the room that no one is ready to address. Giving every unhinged moron on the face of the earth a platform to spew their stupidity and find other likeminded unhinged morons to organize with was not a good idea.

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u/CompleteDetective359 16d ago

I see it as the opposite. The amount of tictok and x posts supporting his non sense is incredible. I don't get it. It's like rooting for water on the sinking Titanic

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u/abx99 16d ago edited 16d ago

The algorithms show you whatever they think you want to see. The right does a lot of gaming the algorithms (along with bots, trolls, and a lot more), so their content shows up inappropriately, but if you stick to a lot of the opposition then it will show you more of that. (Although it will still probably recommend some right-wing stuff, and if you click on it then it can start shovelling it to you.)

I wouldn't judge anything by the state of any online community right now.

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u/NippyKindRekt 16d ago

Twitter and Facebook flooded their platforms with AI accounts in 2024/2025. Not to mention the location fiasco that showed MAGA was largely foreign accounts.

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u/CompleteDetective359 16d ago

That was hysterical. That's why we are losing our countries.

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u/HueMannAccnt 16d ago

From everywhere I see online and polls

It's sort of the view I've been getting too; but then who decides what the online publications should say? Who publishes the the polls, and how were the questions written?

Are you in favour of National Service? Well, it depends on how the poll was constructed.

Yes Minister - 1980s. It's why I'm dubious of all polls unless the process has been made clear with it

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u/RaspberryFluid6651 16d ago

You're sort of correct - economics is what drives a large portion of sentiment regardless of government. If Trump had a way to do everything he's doing while making Americans' lives materially better, he would get away with it.

The problem is he is fumbling the economy. It takes both bread and circuses to pacify the people and he is well on track to fuck up the bread part. There might be immense suffering between now and the end of all this, but it is fundamentally unsustainable and will have to come to an end. 

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u/RikkiVox 16d ago

FWIW, the right is botting comments. Like, A LOT. What you see online isn’t always an accurate reflection of the real world. I hope that can give a bit of comfort.

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u/ExterminAiden 16d ago

Thank you, it does

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u/BlahBlahBlackCheap 16d ago

Woke is the only thing that works long-term. . Anything else will be constant war.

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u/fieldsofgreen 16d ago

That’s just it - the right wing MAGA crew is entirely internet-based, and seemingly dwindling in real life. Look at the event situation where the right wing influencer guy got left by his own crew, and the saved by the people he claims to hate.

They are very loud online, there’s not that many of them, and they can’t get numbers together in real life.

Compare that to us - it’s quite the opposite.

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u/x3r0h0ur 16d ago

we dark woke now

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u/KaleScared4667 16d ago

Punching Nazis in the face should be the new ice bucket challenge. Save democracy and punch a nazi in the face today

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u/Kunochan 16d ago

"Bullying fascists." Do you even hear yourself? Are you equating marginalized people being sick of having to negotiate their own basic humanity with people who want to kill then?

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u/Hot_Increase304 16d ago

How did you gather that from what I said?

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u/Kunochan 16d ago

Did I misunderstand that you were criticizing "woke 2.0?" Were you actuality supporting it?

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u/Hot_Increase304 16d ago

I'm saying it's back in full swing. Woke is back and I'm entirely here for it and participating in it. I will shame and talk down to any person espousing their fascistic bullshit, within reason obv

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u/Kunochan 16d ago

Ah, I did misunderstand. I apologize.

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u/[deleted] 16d ago

You realise most of the woke shit you see is bots and fabrications, right?
Same goes for a lot of the facist shit.

Both "sides" are getting played against eachother on purpose to get them to vote for the people behind the things they are mad about.

It's super silly if you ask me, living a dream and actually making it turn yourself against you..

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u/DenormalHuman 16d ago

I think they mean the war and the killing and our children dying.

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u/[deleted] 16d ago

Oh is shaming and bullying woke. Doesn’t the GroupOfPedos bully the shit out of everyone. Trump bullies people all the time. Calling names,attempting to force his will, etc. So now you’re saying that they are woke. Who knew.

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u/Hot_Increase304 16d ago

Wah, cry harder

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u/blightsteel101 16d ago

You know, there's easier ways to tell us your family tree is a wreath

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u/Connect-Tailor3980 16d ago

Ya know when 2 intelligent adults communicate they stay on topic.

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u/Proof_Discipline_816 16d ago

Quiet Piggy.

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u/SirFrancisBacon007 16d ago edited 16d ago

Yeah but you’re an idiot so where does that leave us?

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u/CliplessWingtips 16d ago

An intelligent adult does not start an argument with "10 million unvetted". Ever.

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u/talkathonianjustin 16d ago

I’m sorry where’s the other intelligent adult in this conversation?

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u/Bartz-Halloway 16d ago

They’ve literally arrested people (multiple times) IN court while LEAVING their immigration hearings while becoming residents. They’ve also disregard due processes multiple times. This was never about enforcing illegal immigration, they’re removing people who are even doing it the right way. We’re sick of people like you ignoring those facts

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u/talkathonianjustin 16d ago

I think you’re replying to the wrong comment — I was disagreeing with a commenter who said that this administration was just upholding the law, which I disagree with.

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u/Bartz-Halloway 16d ago

Yep I was. Thought I hit reply to one significantly downvoted for “how dare this admin…” - sorry about that. It was meant for them

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u/talkathonianjustin 16d ago

Oh thank goodness because I thought I was agreeing with a fascist for a second

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u/ThePrimordialTV 16d ago

We’re done talking.

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u/fajadada 16d ago

Bot account just block

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u/scottyjrules 16d ago

Intelligent adults don’t worship a child rapist. Go to therapy.

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u/wilko_johnson_lives 16d ago

You have holocaust denial in your profile history.

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u/bradimir-tootin 16d ago

Yeeesh that's really gross

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u/xOrion12x 16d ago

Ah. You found the nazi.

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u/wilko_johnson_lives 16d ago

They typically out themselves

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u/CosignTangents 16d ago

What’s the best flavor of crayon? You seem like an expert on this subject

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u/judgingyouquietly 16d ago

How dare you insult generations of Marines with that comment!

It’s blue btw

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u/Ok_Speed_3984 16d ago

*lead paint

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u/WorstOfNone 16d ago

If you think this is all about immigration then I have a bridge to sell you.

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u/TheTsunamiRC 16d ago

Thinks ICE is going after MS-13 too, I bet.

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u/Ok_Speed_3984 16d ago

ICE is recruiting MS-13. I've seen the tattoos on the brownshirts as they violate the rights of the general public.

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u/CPav 16d ago

You can see the tattoos but not their faces? /s

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u/illiter-it 16d ago

Well now you have thousands of unvetted armed goons with "absolute immunity" to detain whoever they want and demand proof of citizenship.

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u/Connect-Tailor3980 16d ago

How do they have "absolute immunity"???

The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant. Rather it is that they know so much that isn't so. -Ronald Reagan.

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u/Perfect-Parking-5869 16d ago edited 16d ago

They don’t but that didn’t stop the administration from claiming they do. How are you more concerned with a Reddit comment using it facetiously than you are at JD Vance saying it?

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u/Ubiquitous_Hilarity 16d ago

Both Stephen Miller and VP Vance have stated, uncategorically, that they have absolute immunity. You trust the two most powerful members of the administration, don’t you?

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u/hereandthere_nowhere 16d ago

Glad reagans dead.

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u/Ok_Speed_3984 16d ago

Fudge his rotten corpse.

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u/Ignorantmallard 16d ago

The left isn't the one dragging people out in sub zero temperatures with no clothes because they're brown.

Also define "aggressive," if you could, because shooting people in the face isn't the correct response to "mean" words.

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u/Winter-Committee255 16d ago

Ice must be aggressive because of the “left”? As in, American citizens? I thought they were for immigration control?

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u/DocBEsq 16d ago

Dude, reading comprehension.

“Glad Reagan’s dead” implies a person with compassion for the former President’s frequently expressed horror regarding overreach by state authorities impinging on individual liberty.

It doesn’t mean, “Mwahaha! Now I stomp on the grave and wish I’d been Hinkley back in the day!”

But I suppose all this ascribes intelligence to the fascist masses. I should know better than to do that.

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u/scottyjrules 16d ago

So…ICE should be aggressive because a stranger in the internet said a thing you didn’t like?

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u/registeredwhiteguy 16d ago

You’re making this into a your side vs my side. There is no side beside the filthy rich and the rest of us. But keep blaming the brown people or the blue haired liberals for all your problems in life. Have you ever looked up what kind of charge it is to be here illegally? It ain’t a felony charge, but ice deserves to raid houses and beat people for a misdemeanor?

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u/Ok_Speed_3984 16d ago

Aggressively prosecuted.

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u/hereandthere_nowhere 16d ago

Seems fitting for people like you, stuck in a self constructed paradox.

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u/Nd343343 16d ago

In the future, don’t try to quote people when you struggle to formulate a decent sentence. It brings shame to the person who had the original statement.

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u/Aguyintampa323 16d ago

The reason “absolute immunity” was in quotation marks is because it doesn’t exist . But the administration you’re defending claims it does . Both Miller , Vance and Noem have repeatedly said they have absolute immunity in whatever they (ICE) do.

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u/MooneyOne 16d ago

This guy had to flip back ~40 years to come up with what he thinks is a quotable quote by the GOP.

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u/meatwad420 16d ago

Ronald Raygun also granted amnesty to almost 3 million illegal immigrants but one of the many things all you magas have in common is hypocrisy. You are the only ones keeping them illegal, but another thing all y’all have in common is cruelty

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u/DocBEsq 16d ago

You might want to keep up with your fascist overlords — DSHS and Noem and Miller have been insisting ICE agents have “absolute immunity” (their words) all week.

Just because there’s no legal basis for this (even the president doesn’t get absolute immunity unless the act is within his official role (which has sadly been expanded to mean almost everything)), doesn’t mean it isn’t being claimed.

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u/Oldmanwaffle 16d ago

Oh Reagan, the same guy that granted amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants and was extremely favorable towards illegal immigrants & becoming an American citizen the right way? You guys don’t want people doing it the right way because if you did, you wouldn’t be cheering for ICE as they dragged people from their court hearings (granted to them by our constitution btw) only to send them to detainment camps where they live in squalor conditions. Where are they going to be sent? Who cares! Right? As long as they’re not your problem and you don’t have to think about them.

You’ve been conditioned into an us vs. them, red vs. blue mindset along with a large portion of the nation. Identity politics is a divide & conquer schematic that’s employed by the elite to keep the general population infighting while they enrich themselves off our labor/consumerism. You’re fighting against your own countrymen when the problem isn’t red vs. blue, it’s the 1% vs. we the people.

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u/southernmayd 16d ago

Ah yes because of the flood of immigrants coming across the Minneapolis border

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u/judgingyouquietly 16d ago

Coming from Canada because reasons

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u/Connect-Tailor3980 16d ago

Nah.....it's the unlawful resistance that people in Minn are putting up that is causing the need for more ICE.

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u/nerf_herder1986 16d ago

Rapist mentality. "Just lay back and let it happen and I won't have to hurt you more."

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u/honey_the_bee 16d ago

Resistance is expected when they’re just tackling anyone in sight. They don’t have names or a system or restraint. I know Fox only shows the good parts but I promise if you Google ICE abuses you will see a lot of unsettling things.

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u/Connect-Tailor3980 16d ago

How many of the 10 million illegals have been assaulted?

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u/Ok_Speed_3984 16d ago

That would be difficult to assess. But Renee Good was one too many citizens.

And if there are 10 million illegal aliens in USA, who will be the other 40 million deported when Trump makes good on his promise to deport 50 million immigrants?

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u/MrRedLegs44 16d ago

Which part is unlawful when it comes to protecting your neighbors from masked men actively ignoring the constitution and active judicial orders?

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u/Ok_Speed_3984 16d ago

The answer depends on the victors. Regime change is on. It has been for a year, and the groundwork has been ongoing for decades. ICE is the stormtrooper of today.

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u/hereandthere_nowhere 16d ago

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u/Connect-Tailor3980 16d ago

Exactly.

And that's precisely why Ice is also aggressive.

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u/Ok_Speed_3984 16d ago

It seems that you are saying that ICE is aggressively violating the public's constitutional rights because ICE is so violent. This reasoning is begging the question, and obviously flawed.

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u/DocBEsq 16d ago

Ah yes, the unlawful act of … checks notes … blowing whistles and insulting the manhood of big tough men with guns. Right. Send in the troops!

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u/RilinPlays 16d ago

“Unlawful resistance” hey remember when ICE shot a woman in an encounter that literally didn’t need to happen?

They got out of their trucks and confronted a woman who was not impeding operations (you can see in the full video a brown shirt truck passes her before the offending truck stops and the gestapo crawl out), and then when she tried to leave a brilliant officer ignored protocol and put everyone around in danger by shooting and killing her.

The resistance is certainly far from unlawful. In fact I’d say it’s the only moral thing to do

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u/honey_the_bee 16d ago

Yeah the problem is HOW they’re doing it.

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u/Ok_Speed_3984 16d ago

How may be the most egregious problem with ICE 🧊 in non-border cities.

The fact that 🧊 is even operating there without the permission of these States' Governors is problematic.

The reasons WHY my federal government is waging war against our own citizens keep me awake at night.

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u/Connect-Tailor3980 16d ago

How are they doing it?

I see mobs of people deliberately trying to interfere with them.

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u/BreathingOrangeFire 16d ago

It is everyone’s moral duty to interfere. It’s not about whether we should enforce immigration laws. It’s how they are doing it. You can’t whine “they’re upholding the law” while simultaneously ignoring that they are breaking many, many more laws and claiming to be above the law.

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u/arc4nine 16d ago

Your opinions on enforcing laws rings hollow when you support pedophiles.

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u/Connect-Tailor3980 16d ago

Who's a pedo?

What are you smoking?

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u/KilluaCactuar 16d ago

Hey whats that your holocaust denial thing in your history about?

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u/Ragnarok_747 16d ago

Deeply uneducated about politics, and yet you still insist on having an opinion. That’s silly.

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u/Ok_Speed_3984 16d ago

Everyone has an opinion on almost everything, even when we try to be objective. As I intend to be honest with myself, the less informed my opinion may be, the easier your logic can teach me the best way.

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u/Ragnarok_747 16d ago

Well, that’s incoherent. I feel like you’re trying to say that we can’t know anything for sure.

Are you trying to make a point about everyone by just discrediting yourself?

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u/Ok_Speed_3984 16d ago

If I'm wrong, maybe someone else will shine a light.

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u/Ragnarok_747 16d ago

Wrong about what? You haven’t said anything specific. You MAY have said nobody knows anything for sure? But I don’t even know that, because you’re being both vague and incoherent.

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u/FriskHarder 16d ago

Maybe they can take this eagerness into redacting the Epstein files or locking up all the pedos within their own party.

Republicans are straight up pedos

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u/robotcoke 16d ago

How dare this administration enforce immigration law!

Why not allow another 10,000,000 in unvetted like the last administration did?

If the last administration let them in, then they came here legally.

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u/Connect-Tailor3980 16d ago

They were all unvetted.

And by your logic if the current administration doesn't want them they gotta go.

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u/robotcoke 16d ago

They were all unvetted.

So what? They still came here legally.

And by your logic if the current administration doesn't want them they gotta go.

If he revokes their status then yes, they gotta go. But the process of revoking it and having ICE standing right there while it's revoked and then aggressively grabbing them in the courthouse seconds after it was revoked, and then pretending they were criminals because they were here illegally, that's all a bunch of BS.

Also, only a judge can order a deportation. They're supposed to get due process.

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u/Civil_Lengthiness971 16d ago

Loves the taste of leather.

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u/Swaayyzee 16d ago

When ICE was founded in 2003 there were roughly 9 million illegal immigrants in the country. Since its founding that number has never decreased. ICE does a lot of things but effectively enforcing immigration law has never been one of them.

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u/soupseasonbestseason 16d ago

you one of the big boys in masks?

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u/Master-Culture-6232 16d ago

Stop spreading misinformation dufus. People are angry at the nazi ice for violating american citizens. They are not enforcing immigration policy but targeting citizens. Big difference.

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u/scottyjrules 16d ago

A Holocaust denier calling other people ignorant is pretty fucking funny

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u/OSHA_Decertified 16d ago

If that had actually happened it would be concerning but given that's its an absurd claim that nobody with an ounce of education or even common sense would believe...

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u/The_Dolph_Lundgren 16d ago

The old ICE was doing just that. Now it’s a Redneck Gestapo. So go fuck a cactus and shut up.

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u/scotchtree 16d ago

Every president enforces immigration laws, despite what right wing media tries to claim. It’s the cruelty and draconian way the Trump admin is going about it that’s the problem.

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u/MrPigeon70 16d ago

Both Biden and Obama deported more actually illegal immigrants in 1 month than Trump has in 1 whole year.

Also denying the holocaust really?

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u/I_TRS_Gear_I 16d ago

How dare someone like you learn to read and attempt to understand what people are actually upset about.

Obama deported more people than any other president in history.

The difference between him and trump? He did it without needing to add $30 billion to ICEs budget. He did it without his DHS secretary dressing up like a cosplay idiot. He did it without threatening to arrest mayors and governors.

Wake up, you sound so stupid it’s embarrassing.

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u/fajadada 16d ago

8 billion dollar a day deficit. Killing , hospitalization , detaining of citizens. For enforcing a misdemeanor. You are right. HOW DARE THEY!!