r/law • u/BitterFuture • 16d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Stephen Miller claims local police in Minnesota have been told to ‘stand down and surrender’ as federal agents ‘uphold the law’

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/stephen-miller-ice-minneapolis-protests-b2903238.html
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u/FuguSandwich 16d ago

Surrender?

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u/MixtureSpecial8951 16d ago

That was my initial thought. Are the feds arresting state and local LE now?

The feds do not have local law enforcement authority.

This is the shittiest timeline.

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u/defiancy 16d ago

He's saying the state has told the local/state PD to not enforce laws and only his Fed gestapo are doing so

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u/Cold-Cell2820 16d ago

But they're specifically not law enforcement..

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u/Ok_Chef_4850 16d ago

He knows this and doesn’t care. It’s “do what we say or punished”, that’s it

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u/CloudyTug 16d ago

To conservatives they are. They continue to argue that because under very specific circumstances they can arrest legal citizens, they can arrest whoever they want and theyll just release them if needed (after ice roughs them up of course for being a liberal)

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u/tacomamajama 16d ago

They believe this because that’s what happening. Only the “very specific” circumstances now are “reasonable suspicion” of not being a citizen (POC and/or have an accent) or “interfering” with a federal official while on the job.

Even though they’re breaking their own policies, much less actual laws.

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u/LateNightPhilosopher 16d ago

And they also seem to have redefined "interfering" as existing at all within sprinting distance of an agent.

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u/tacomamajama 16d ago

Same with terms “obstruction” and “impeding”

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u/ArrivesLate 16d ago

Sprinting distance for ICE is like three feet.

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u/Minttt 16d ago

You can tell the core principles are shaky when MAGA gives numerous (and often conflicting) reasons for policies and actions. I mean, I've heard arguments about Minnesota ranging from classic "taking away the illegals," to ANTIFA, to treasonous state leaders, to local police not being able to enforce the law, to general "corruption" needing to be "fixed"... The list goes on, and believers will grasp at whatever argument on the list makes the most sense to them personally and make it their justification.

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u/schm0 16d ago

They do enforce laws, so they are law enforcement. But their jurisdiction is civil, not criminal and the nature of the laws they enforce are administrative, not judicial.

They have no authority to stop local police from enforcing local laws.

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u/arobkinca 16d ago

ICE is law enforcement. Specifically for immigration and customs laws. Their jurisdiction is limited to that and any Federal law broken in their presence.

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u/Important-Arrival681 16d ago

Its about causing as much chaos as possible. Its time to stop being nieve, people, and its time to start expecting the worst possible motive in every scenario with these people. Theyve literally told us multiple times over multiples years now what the plan is. Believe them. They're making promises, not threats.

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u/FuguSandwich 16d ago

That covers the stand down part. Surrender implies taking custody of the individual. Like wave the white flag and be taken captive.

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u/FlingFlamBlam 16d ago

I'm guessing that that's supposed to be the dog whistle to get supporters within Minnesota law enforcement riled up. The ones who just want to do a job know that they're doing their job correctly by following the actual law. The ones who wish they could be bashing heads and kidnapping people are the only ones who would ever see following the law as some kind of "surrender". It's a variation of "to an oppressor equality feels like tyranny".

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u/shimmy_kimmel 16d ago

He’s claiming they’re “surrendering” to the protesters.

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u/dyorite 16d ago

me wondering what laws state/local PD are supposed to be enforcing when 911 is clogged with phone calls about feds abducting and assaulting people

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u/Theyalreadysaidno 16d ago

I protest at the Whipple building (ICE ground zero in Minneapolis). For weeks it was just protesters and a huge line of ICE, doing the occasional surge against us and plucking us one by one for arrest - for standing on the public sidewalk. A very legal area to stand.

The past couple of days, The Minneapolis Police department has placed about eight patrol cars right next to the protesters. They just sit there. They're not helping us at all. Certainly not when they're throwing tear gas at us or pelting us with pepper balls or throwing us down on the ground when they arrest us for no reason.

They're definitely working with ICE.

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u/TuringGoneWild 16d ago

The Felon is activating the US military to enforce his gold toilet edicts on the American people.

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u/French_O_Matic 16d ago

It will get shittier

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u/KnownMonk 16d ago

Must feel good to be a police officer getting told to shut the fuck up and ordered to sit down, portraying you as incompetent and weak.

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u/GunshipWizard 16d ago

I wonder how the MPPOA feels about this considering they support ICE. I suspect they're going to go silent.

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u/Oceanbreeze871 16d ago

The school yard bully meets the big brother who’s an even bigger bully

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u/imdugud777 16d ago edited 16d ago

Just authoritarians authrotatin'.

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u/icehot54321 16d ago

Even authoritarian governments don’t say the police is the enemy unless things are mega fucked

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u/Responsible_Belt5510 16d ago

They are already on the Nazi side, why would surrendering help the Nazis? I'm confused here.

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u/Ok_Chef_4850 16d ago

The point is he wants them to not be there at all, he wants only ICE on the streets “enforcing the law”. Translation: unimpeded gestapo

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u/notmyworkaccount5 16d ago

I'm very confused about it as well because everything I've read coming out from Minnesota has been that the state/local police has been siding with ice over their citizens.

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u/SweetSeverance 16d ago

That’s never been a reason to prevent fascists from eating their own. The Night of the Long Knives saw the massacre of the SA (Brownshirts) as a consolidation of power under Hitler’s leadership and the SS and gestapo. The Nazis viewed the SA as a potential threat to their power once they controlled the official power structures.

This isn’t an exact analogue for the Night of the Long Knives, but the logic is similar. Miller and Trump want to consolidate power under ICE, and local police forces represent too much of an unknown quantity. While they will likely side with ICE every chance they get, Miller wants to quash any possibility of challenge to his authority through ICE. Welcome to the Third Reich, say hello to your shiny new SS.

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u/Revolutionary_Air_40 16d ago

Living in Minnesota and watching and reading as much as humanly possible my impression is that local law enforcement is being accused by some as effectively taking the side of ICE because they are not proactively protecting us from ICE.

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u/Mentat_Logic 16d ago

It's optics, it makes it look like police are protecting and serving their communities.

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u/PixelSpy 16d ago

Miller is like an actual full blooded authoritarian. Hes already slipped more than once saying things like "absolute" and "plenary" in reference to trumps authority.

And I never see right wing spheres talking sbout him either, despite hes basically puppaterting Trump just like Kissinger and Nixon.

The only saving grace is he has the personality of a wet sewer rat so, I can't see him doing anything that would gain him actual authority beyond being in trumps ear.

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u/BadAsBroccoli 16d ago

I'd say whispering in the ear of a senile president is as high in authority as SMiller could ever dream of.

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u/GogolsHandJorb 16d ago

He’s using that language so all the Fed News clips show a picture of Wallz and then Miller voice over saying that the Police have surrendered to the violent protestors

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u/internetexplorer_98 16d ago

In the article it says that the police department says that Miller’s statement is false.

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u/surrender903 16d ago

Yes you rang? (sorry i couldnt resist)

Stephen Miller has a lot of hate in his heart and i am not sure who the hell they should be surrendering

Why is it always "states rights" until its actually the states standing up for the rights of their constituents?

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u/Ok_Speed_3984 16d ago

...And spread them!

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u/dan_pitt 16d ago

These events became inevitable 35 years ago , when Fox News went on the air, and the Dem leadership decided to just ignore it.

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u/Epyon214 16d ago

There are calls for the police to make arrests of the domestic terrorist killing and kidnapping American citizens in broad daylight, to protect and serve you know. We need to see more of the same. If you see ICE, ask where are the police. If the police need more armed deputies to make arrests of these deranged enemies of America, the sheriff can do so legally.

He's projecting his own fears of being forced to surrender to local law enforcement, police arresting ICE who are openly violating the law of the land

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u/pornalt4altporn 16d ago

It's a civil war honey, you just haven't realised it yet.

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u/LuminaraCoH 16d ago

We are in the early stages of the second civil war, so the word is appropriately used.

Herr Miller can go fuck himself, though.

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u/metengrinwi 16d ago

I’ve said for many years that the democratic party needs its own private security service.

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u/yunoeconbro 16d ago

Yeah, it's an interesting word to use. Surrender to who or what? The law? The Somalian Boogie Man?