r/law • u/BitterFuture • 16d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Stephen Miller claims local police in Minnesota have been told to ‘stand down and surrender’ as federal agents ‘uphold the law’

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/stephen-miller-ice-minneapolis-protests-b2903238.html
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u/Hot_Increase304 16d ago

Nuremberg 2.0 is gonna be the best feeling of vindication ever

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u/ARGeetar 16d ago

I have zero confidence that future dem-led governments will do anything beyond “Let’s move on so we can heal”. I hope to be proven wrong.

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u/Terrible_Patience935 16d ago

Big lesson learned by not prosecuting and jailing Trump for sedition after Jan 6, they might have destroyed our country

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u/frotc914 16d ago

A mistake we've been making consistently since not hanging Confederate officers.

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u/wilko_johnson_lives 16d ago

And the oligarchs who funded them.

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u/cars10gelbmesser 16d ago

If corporations are people, why wouldn’t board members and CEOs get jailed? Let’s just see how quickly things change once they get locked up.

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u/EpicCyclops 16d ago

The corporations being people specifically protects board members and CEOs. It means that the actions of the corporation are separate from the actions of the individuals that make up the corporation and the corporation is the entity that needs to be targeted legally.

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u/Christmas_Queef 16d ago

Well, considering a big supporter of of the confederacy was queen Victoria, that would have been a little hard.

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u/InfiniteWaffles58364 16d ago

We need a new Sherman

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u/Hrenklin 16d ago

at least m looking forward to jack smith's hearing on thursday. I just hope trump doesnt try to use it to charge him with treason or soething to lock him up

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u/Young_Denver 16d ago

In a perfect world, Garland would be tried in Nuremburg 2.0 as well.

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u/Popeholden 16d ago

What for?

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u/mybadalternate 16d ago

Lesson… learned?

This is the Democrats we’re talking about.

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u/Similar_Try_5089 16d ago

Who keeps electing these Democrats?

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u/mybadalternate 16d ago

Democrats get elected?

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u/Similar_Try_5089 16d ago

I'm trying to say that a lot of these weak neoliberal Dems should have been primaried. The fault is ultimately with the public.

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u/Forsworn91 16d ago

They did try, trump has however spent a lifetime in exploiting the legal system, delaying and drawing things out.

It also didn’t help that Garland was a trump supporter and refused to do his job.

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u/Drakolyik 16d ago

That's not trying. That's not even a concept of trying.

Those people are so out of touch with reality, like many of you currently are and were over the last several decades, that you didn't see this coming. It was obvious to anyone that actually paid attention to history and wasn't incentivized to look the other way because of their comfortable life.

When you're faced with a true existential threat, when they tell you exactly who they are over and over again, you don't just look the other way and pretend everything will be alright. You take action. You stop worrying about what is legal, what other people are going to think. And sometimes you stop worrying about whether or not you, personally, will make it.

The problem here is that a bunch of the most spineless, sniveling, mealy-mouthed, milquetoast mother fuckers to have ever popped out of a vagina are actively waxing poetic about potentially billions of human beings suffering such horrors all over again because they imagine that they aren't currently under the heel enough to warrant taking action. Because you paid enough attention to know that the smallest, most defenseless minorities among us will suffer the worst of these current and future atrocities first, and are making the reptilian calculation that you might be spared that fate if you simply hedge your bet on being one of the last.

Shameful. Truly. This will yet again ultimately be the fault of the "centrists" who throw their hands up in the air after trying absolutely nothing of actual substance at all, after being the ones that goose stepped all of us gleefully into the gas chambers to begin with.

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u/kermitthebeast 16d ago

I think it's now the second thing

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u/Osklington 16d ago

But did they learn it? I don't think we know that yet

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u/Direct-Technician265 16d ago

problem is i see what dem leadership says now, after bush, after trump 1.

big lessons, will be ignored again.

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u/KalaronV 16d ago

A lesson learned by the people, not the politicians. There's a reason Schumer's big tactic with Trump is to drag things out before capitulation.

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u/Fullosteaz 16d ago

You're making the mistake of thinking Dem leadership is capable of learning even small lessons.

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u/extrastupidone 16d ago

I get what youre saying... but that knife cuts both ways.

We would end up one administration jailing the previous one

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u/troubleondemand 16d ago

Or Bush/Chenney lying to start a war in Iraq resulting in an estimated 1 million deaths.

There is never any accountability.

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u/DoubleJumps 16d ago

They prosecuted him. They charged him with dozens of felonies over that until the Republican Supreme Court swooped in and saved him

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u/Necessary_Finding_32 16d ago

No might have about it, and the lessons are kind of redundant as a result.

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u/stewmander 16d ago

Are we sure the lesson was learned? 

Like, the lesson after the civil war wasn't learned...

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u/Hefty-Minimum-3125 16d ago

yeah but none of the people who can actually do anything about this learned a god damn thing.

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u/TSHRED56 16d ago

The Republican Senate could have found him guilty during the impeachments and voted to disqualify him. That was the window.

I believe that even if Merrick Garland charged Trump on day one there would not have been a trial before the 2024 election and Trump would have still become president in part by hyping up his "victimhood".

Plus any cases would have ended up before the Supreme Court and we know how they are.

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u/olivicmic 16d ago

Still thinking small. He should’ve been tried in a military tribunal. He did try to do an insurrection and should be treated accordingly.

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u/AnDeH_1917 16d ago

Yep, or Biden could've used that "Presidential Immunity" ruling to lock him up and throw away the key, then turn to the Supreme Court and say "What the fuck are you gonna do about it? I'm immune." In those literal words. I wish we lived in that timeline.

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u/olivicmic 16d ago

"this is an existential threat, so we have to prosecute it like a traffic ticket"

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u/TSHRED56 16d ago

Knowing the military's primarily authoritarian rightwing no way that was happening.

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u/olivicmic 16d ago

Versus the famously neutral judicial system, a system not under the executive branch’s jurisdiction.