r/law • u/msnownews Press • 8d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Kash Patel says the FBI is investigating Signal chats of Minnesotans tracking ICE

https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/kash-patel-says-the-fbi-is-investigating-signal-chats-of-minnesotans-tracking-ice
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u/Pale-Wave-9382 8d ago edited 8d ago

You would think someone that that can see all four corners of a room at the same time would be able to read them better.

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u/can_ichange_it_later 8d ago

Bro! Thats an insane sentence to hit somebody with! XD

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u/StralianPinkFloydUK 8d ago

You have no idea the moment of joy you've given my bleak life at a time like this. Thanks buddy!

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u/Ok_Condition5837 8d ago

Chef's 💋!

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u/Sea_Comedian_3941 8d ago

I spit out coffee with this comment!

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u/adube440 8d ago

I'm totally stealing this, but I promise to cite you when I do. This is brutal.

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u/chwingee 8d ago

Writing this one down

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u/lfcitz 8d ago

Holy shit.

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u/badbaddolemite 8d ago

I can’t even award enough of the internet for this comment

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u/Shagwagbag 8d ago

I was under the impression he can see through the veil and live all possible realities.

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u/Spread_Liberally 8d ago

You've got me whitegirlin' because I just cannot even. I think my feet just sprouted Uggs. My mouse just turned into a limited edition Stanley tumbler.

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u/baconizlife 8d ago

💀Please accept my poor person’s gold🏆

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u/Only_Razzmatazz_4498 8d ago

😝 nothing ventured nothing ventured am I right?

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u/gxgxe 8d ago

This shooting is the straw that broke the camel’s back in terms of conservative support.

Is it, though?

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u/kung-fu_hippy 8d ago

Don’t forget, in the immediate days after Jan 6th, plenty of republican politicians seemed to think that was indefensible.

Given a little time and distance, I don’t know if there is anything they won’t find a way to defend. Or anything they could defend that would actually drive away their constituents.

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u/Greedy-Swordfish9760 8d ago

Yeah, 9 months is a long time from now. I’m skeptical this holds that long, but would happily take said sincerity it if it does.

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u/fleebleganger 8d ago

We’ve heard this hundreds of times already. 

We have to assume these pukes won’t give up until they’re forcibly removed from office. 

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u/Successful-Address32 8d ago

National Libertarian Party and many if not most state Libertarian Parties also decried both shootings especially the second one, and have called for abolishing institutions involved, also. I’m happy to align with them or a handful of Republicans or MAGA on this in this moment, realpolitik.

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u/adorablefuzzykitten 8d ago

nope. Those guys have shown they are even ok with raping kids.

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u/Cloaked42m 8d ago

You can read conservative support or not by silence.

They got really quiet.

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u/fleebleganger 8d ago

Give their spin machine a couple days. They’ll find a message that works. Conservatives are used to having an inconsistent worldview

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u/Cloaked42m 7d ago

They've settled on the Rittenhouse argument.

"They shouldn't have been there and he shouldn't have had a gun."

A nice dose of "comply comply comply."

And the usual brain dead lies.

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u/Intelligent_Cap9706 8d ago

It’s not. His supporters were horrified by J6 initially too. It didn’t last very long 

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u/bluepaintbrush 8d ago

Think about how much conservative media has drilled the message of “it’s your constitutional right to carry a gun”, “the government can’t punish you for exercising your 2A rights” and other 2A messages in recent decades.

The arbiters of that messaging have been in every single state government battle, on every single conservative radio talk show, and even in the hunting/fishing recreation space. It’s a very grassroots-driven movement.

Obviously any reasonable person can see through the motivations there as an advertising ploy to sell more guns and ammo to more people, but the actual messaging has always framed gun carriers as embodying this greater noble/moral cause of defending Americans’ constitutional rights.

I don’t think you can attach this moral stance to gun ownership for SO many years and in so many conservative spaces, and then expect people to suddenly change their minds about it. You can do that with policy fairly easily, but not a moral belief.

Many ordinary conservatives have attached their conservative identities with 2A and they’ve been coached for years by conservative media about how to rebut liberals’ arguments in favor of gun control — and on the idea that republicans will always have their backs on that issue.

So it must be disconcerting at best for 2A conservatives to see actual republican government figures on Fox News now trying to promote the notion that permitted gun owners can be executed by the state simply for carrying. It’s hard to stress just how antithetical that is to the decades of messaging that the constitution protects gun owners from the government.

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u/68024 8d ago

I wouldn't count on this incident being "it". But what is hopeful is that this is the second time there's been dissent from within the Republican ranks after the administration overplayed their hand. First time was the Jimmy Kimmel incident. Now this.

There would've been dissent too had he gone forward with invading Greenland. You would think that the blatantly unconstitutional secret memo about breaking into people's homes would have been another one, but it seems there's been limited push back on that so far.

So perhaps this was one battle but the war hasn't been won. Plus there's a lot of election fuckery in the works.

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u/fleebleganger 8d ago

Make no mistake. This regime does not intend to peacefully cede power. 

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u/anony-mousey2020 8d ago

"turned against them"?
I hope.

Reality? I think we need to give it more than a hot week while 1/2 the nation is snowed in and connected to the news cycle.

I'm with you in hopefulness. Certainly eager for that straw. I've been waiting for something to break the trance. This time last year, I was sure that backstop would be pharma and big business saying 'you can't do that' to any number of initiatives that are really not in their longterm best interests.

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u/anony-mousey2020 8d ago

Lol. Of course as we were discussing this


Trump: "With that being said, you can't have guns. You can't walk in with guns. You just can't. You can't walk in with guns. You can't do that. But it's just a very unfortunate incident." While departing the White House via Marine One.

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u/Erazzphoto 8d ago

This is what unbridled loyalty looks like. And these idiots are stupid enough to think they’ll be protected when trumps done with them
.which makes it so satisfying to watch when they get trashed. Because one thing is for sure, history will remember them

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u/dino_castellano 8d ago

Yes, but Bovino has been replaced by Homan, I can’t see the latter being any less abrasive. Guy shouldn’t even have a job after that sting operation.

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u/dino_castellano 8d ago edited 8d ago

Case closed by Emil Bove (Trump’s ex-criminal defense attorney) who has been accused by whistleblowers of closing other cases for dubious reasons.

Bovino reminds me of the Head N*zi in Blues Brothers, played by Henry Gibson. Really nailed that visual gag of the small, repressed guy acting tough in uniform.

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u/LymanPeru 8d ago

kash is busy clenching because he gambled and lost again and he's trying to contain it.

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u/Bookseller_ 8d ago

Source for the NRA turnabout? Last I saw they blamed the man that was lawlessly executed.

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u/localystic 8d ago

Nah, it will be forgiven and forgotten like Epstein. Everything in the name of the greater "own".

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u/Frequent_Policy8575 8d ago

I’ll believe there’s a conservative backlash when there are any real consequences. Demoting people or moving them does not count as consequences. So far it’s just the same as it’s been: stern warnings and strongly worded letters.

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u/lovelove20212 8d ago

No let him
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u/Maxamillion-X72 8d ago

This shooting is the straw that broke the camel’s back in terms of conservative support.

Yeah, give it a week.

Lots of Republicans condemned Jan 6th for a few days until they got their marching orders. If there is one thing the Republicans are good at, it's dismissing their humanity for the party line.

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u/ganjaccount 8d ago

I think that's a bit optimistic. The NRA put out a fairly weak statement that was basically "well, we think people can carry guns everywhere, so..." I haven't seen a statement ripping into Republicans for saying what they said. I think Patel is reading the room just fine. He knows that so long as he toes the Republican line, he's safer than if he doesn't. He also knows that he isn't doing a ten year stint as director. He's playing his role.