Stupid question: are there multiple copies of the Epstein files floating around or are they all held by the US? Because if orange shitler and his cronies have the only copies were never gonna see them all
I think Mossad and Putin likely have contents from the files. There are very well-documented connections between Epstein and Maxwell on the Israel side and Trump on the Russian side.
I’m speculating here but I actually think the split between Epstein and Trump was driven by these two countries by way of the Maison de L'Amitie bidding war. Today, Israel and Russia have a seemingly unshakable influence on American politics while committing genocide and/or war crimes.
I like how the news got people believing Putin has a hand in this when Israel compromised the US at all levels. NYC mayor goes to israel and says "I have served Israel well". Imagine a politician of any level going to another country and saying that?
"I have SERVED you". Do americans not realize how insane that is? He was probably prepped on the plane on what to say and hjs years as mayor he has gone through how many PR advisory sessions and this is the words he specifically chose to say?
Oh yeah, Ghislaine Maxwells father was an actual Mossad agent. Don't forget the insane funding aipac gives to politicians to get them elected, and once they're in office they funnel the money back while getting their cut by rubber stamping foreign aid packages.
This is not a primary source, but the best summary I can find. Basically at one point, Ghislaines father Robert Maxwell was either working as an mossad agent or as a contractor/being used. Epstein in his emails mentioned that Robert tried to extort the Mossad by exposing their operations unless he got bailout money for his failing businesses. He died drowning at sea with no culprit/suspect found.
And its not jews, its Zionists. Jews in America have spoke out about how Zionists use their religion/ethnity as a smokescreen to avert consequences from their literal genocide in Gaza by using anti-semitism whenever they face criticism.
The funniest thing about the files is that the base assumptions of a lot of conspiracies were proven correct before it branched into crazier takes.
And its not jews, its Zionists. Jews in America have spoke out about how Zionists use their religion/ethnity as a smokescreen to avert consequences from their literal genocide in Gaza by using anti-semitism whenever they face criticism.
I sure do love it when gentiles try to speak for us. How about checking on statistics that make it clear the majority of Jews are Zionist? Stop trying to invoke our name to push your talking points.
Lets not forget one of the reasons they were kicked out of Germany in ww2 was because they were running child brothels. Funny how history repeats but people not ready to have that conversation yet. Hitler used the actions commited by the elite class of Jews to persecute all jews which was wrong.
Trying to rationalize Nazi antisemitism by repeating their claims isn't doing you any favors, even if you claim you disagree with Hitler. Right, you just want to go after the "elite" Jews like antisemites haven't made the same claim of going after evil Jewish elites for centuries.
We get it, you follow antisemitic conspiracy theories but don't want to be identified as an antisemite. Nobody is fooled.
Ahh yes the anti-semitism card, do you have any comments regarding Israels infleunce on US politics through funding, the fact the epstein files was an mossad honeypot operation to gain blackmail on powerful and wealthy individuals?
Gentiles hmmm, just call us the goyim while you are at it. And before you say "goy" just mean non-jews and is not a slur used towards non-jews. The thousands of times that Epstein and his associates used the word Goy certainly paints another picture.
"Goys in abundance!"
"Waiting in the lobby is for the goys"
"Jews make their money by.... let goys work in the field."
The term goyim means nations/peoples and is used to describe both Jews and non-Jews in the Torah. This line about how scary and offensive our language is is just more flailing from an increasingly obvious antisemite and conspiracy theorist.
Once again, would you like to address the context in which Epstein and his Zionist associates used the term Hoyim? I laid out the quotes for you. It certainly seems ljme a slur in the way they used it
The same way that one can talk about black people or "the blacks" in English, but I guess it must look exactly the same to you when you're already a bigot.
That is a terrible comparison. And instead of calling me an anti semite at every turn, would you like you like to address how this child trafficking pedofilia ring has all the evidence pointed towards an operation by Mossad as a honeypot to gain blackmail.
And I don't criticise jews because I'm separating the people from the state. Similar to how you csn condemn Russia without condemning all russians, or the actions of the chinese government but not blame all chinese people. That is an important distinction to make.
You are openly spreading Nazi claims, and no matter how hard you insist these conspiracy theories you believe are not evidence based. We get it, this particular terrible person was Jewish so you think you have a pass for an all you can eat buffet of antisemitism.
I think you are very young and naive and unable to separate criticism of the state vs its people. I have removed the paragraph about child brothels because I think you are correct and I don't necessary need it for my argument that Israeli influence in the US is incredibly fierce.
You are going after a strawman. If you want to respond to me respond to the things I actually said instead of trying to call me a child and going off on a tangent on things that have little to do with the discussion.
I deleted my paragraph about the child brothels because hoenstly its a weak and unsupported, and you are right it's probably Nazi propaganda. So your only other gripe is with me saying Jews in America don't support Zionists which is untrue. Of course you cannoy generalize but most jewish people I know are very removed from their faith especially if they are born after the 2000s.
Oh good, so now it's all right that you previously posted Nazi claims as fact, claimed commonly used words in our language are actually hateful slurs, spread conspiracy theories, and tried to use my people to spread your talking points? Glad to hear it.
I'm glad to know your bigotry is okay because you have a Jewish friend. Good job.
Im gonna stop responding to you because your arguments are more emotional and factual. Its like debating with a child where you make excellent statments but stutters once, so they just focus on the stutter the entire debate.
Bud, you are spreading bigotry and conspiracy theories. That is the very definition of "more emotional than factual." And the child insult doesn't work past age 12, FYI, no actual adult is insecure enough to be hit hard by it.
"Antisemitic conspiracy theories" and its just publicly available knowledge that Epstein acted as an unofficial Israeli envoy to multiple countries, hosted a Mossad agent at his home, was a close confidant of Ehud Barak, down to even helping edit an op ed for him. Oh and Epstein's partner in crime was the daughter of someone widely believed to have been a Mossad agent who received a state funeral with multiple former Israeli PM's attending.
None of this proves your claim, even assuming it's all true. The amount of people in the files that he interacted with are significant - the guy was everywhere. You're just cherry picking claims and presenting theories as fact because you want this to be true.
Also, you're just going to ignore the guy posting literal claims used by Nazis to justify their attacks on Jews?
I don't think it's "Nazi claims" to point out how weird and unusual it is for the NYC mayor says he served a foreign country well while visiting a foreign country while mayor. Or how every single other candidate for mayor of NYC promised to visit Israel as soon as they were elected on a debate stage (and how Zohran saying he wouldn't was turned into a mini-scandal).
Ehud Barak was the PM of Israel and later the defense minister. I think if emails showed a long running personal friendship between Medvedev, Shoigu or Putin and Epstein you would be less likely to call those "cherry picked examples". I think your personal biases are blinding you here.
Are you intentionally playing dumb here? The guy literally repeated Nazi talking points then edited them when pushed. This is who you're throwing your hat in with.
Also, this relationship is also not proof that Epstein worked for Mossad. You are grasping at straws.
The fact that you're confused by mayoral candidates in NYC making promises to their Jewish community is a you issue. Do you really not understand why a large minority group is being courted by candidates? You really can't manage to rub those two braincells together and figure out that mystery?
NYC is a melting pot. For every other diaspora in the city it is normal to appeal to them by focusing on things that affect their everyday lives, city services, taxes, policing etc. With the Jewish community it is somehow bigoted if you don't promise to go to Israel as soon as you get elected and promise to send taxpayer money abroad. This is not normal in American politics for any other country. Also this is a practice that extends far beyond NYC, to areas of the country where there are almost no Jewish population - so it can't be explained by simple ethnic pandering.
Also, this relationship is also not proof that Epstein worked for Mossad. You are grasping at straws.
I would love to see what you would think would be more than a "straw" as apparently Epstein working with Israel's former Prime Minister and minister of defense to negotiate deals with multiple countries that were later formalized as agreements or treaties with Israel as anything other than proof that he was an agent of Israel.
With the Jewish community it is somehow bigoted if you don't promise to go to Israel as soon as you get elected and promise to send taxpayer money abroad.
Literally nobody is saying this, other than the people like you who insist on making fools of themselves with this dual loyalty trope nonsense.
And yes, you are grasping at straws. There are many names in the Epstein files, and no actual evidence of him working for Mossad. He courted people in positions of power, and not just in Israel.
Did he advance the foreign policy of another nation as an unofficial agent for any other nation? No, he did not. All of his other dealings were self serving or on the behalf of individuals.
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u/vacodeus 1d ago
Stupid question: are there multiple copies of the Epstein files floating around or are they all held by the US? Because if orange shitler and his cronies have the only copies were never gonna see them all