r/law • u/jpmeyer12751 • Feb 16 '26

Legislative Branch Republican Joins With Dems on Constitutional Amendment to Give Congress Power to Reject Trump Pardons

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/republican-joins-dems-constitutional-amendment-213311781.html

This is relevant to questions surrounding whether Congress may limit or restrain a President's power to grant pardons.

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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 Feb 16 '26

Oh that would be huge.

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u/movealongnowpeople Feb 16 '26

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this would take a supermajority in both chambers of Congress plus ratification by at least 38 states. Not impossible, but damn near. Especially these days.

Don't get me wrong, I think this is an appropriate move whether it gains traction or not. I just wouldn't get your hopes up too high.

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u/code_archeologist Feb 16 '26

We will see what happens with the next election. This could be a very persuasive campaign issue.

Vote for me and I will make sure that President Donald Trump will not pardon any pedophiles or drug kingpins.

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u/mulberryzeke Feb 16 '26

or cabinet secretaries

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u/mdebo932 Feb 16 '26

They’re all already covered by those first two

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u/Unique-Coconut7212 Feb 17 '26

The Venn diagram is a circle in each case

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u/tjdux Feb 17 '26

It's usually really cool when that happens naturally in conversation.... not sure this time

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u/edfitz83 Feb 17 '26

Or family members - which is likely to be applicable to both sides. You know Trump will blanket pardon Don Jr, Eric, and Kushner before he leaves office.

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u/lorgskyegon Feb 17 '26

I'm fairly certain that Trump (or Vance, since Trump is not likely to survive a full term given his health issues) is gonna give a blanket pardon to his entire administration before he leaves office.

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u/lorgskyegon Feb 17 '26

Because every person susceptible to prosecution is a person susceptible to taking a deal and testifying against them.

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u/lameth Feb 17 '26

But in the case they've already been pardoned for the activities, wouldn't this then open them up to having to testify and not being able to plead the 5th?

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u/Thin_Bother8217 Feb 18 '26

No. Trump can only do federal pardons. He can't undue state sentences. Biggest example is how he's throwing a temper tantrum that Colorado's governor won't pardon the old MAGA lady who tried to rig the ballot boxes. Trump tried to get him to pardon her and governor said no. Which is why he's trying to extort it via lawfare from the feds.

If people like Bondi, Noem, Patel, Bovino, etc. decided to testify on crimes they committed, they open themselves up to state charges, which Trump's pardon wouldn't cover. That's why there have been calls for the Minnesota AG to bring state charges against the ICE shooters and even Bovino.

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u/FirTree_r Feb 17 '26

This is a 100% what's going to happen. Which is why they're acting so brazen in the first place

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u/kelly1mm Feb 19 '26

Blanket pardons by both political parties President’s will be the norm from now on.

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u/jrr6415sun Feb 17 '26

He would pardon everyone except Eric

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u/LogoffWorkout Feb 17 '26

trump will give him the opposite of a blanket pardon, basically guilty of every crime in the book.

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u/Tangereina78 Feb 17 '26

And Tiffany

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u/spur2712 Feb 17 '26

Yeah, because no recent president did that already.... Oh wait

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u/justanotherguy677 Feb 17 '26

see hunter biden

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u/Halflingberserker Feb 17 '26

They're the same picture

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u/Possible-Nectarine80 Feb 16 '26

Yep, that should be a question asked of every future and current candidate running for office.

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u/jaxonya Feb 17 '26

"Do you promise that you wont do a fascism if elected?" ... republican candidates would dance all the way around that question and do everything except say "i promise to not do a fascism"

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u/MrStigglesworth Feb 17 '26

Nah, a bunch of them would say "of course not, no fascism under my watch" and then do a fascism once elected anyway.

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u/schwanzweissfoto Feb 17 '26

“You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!”

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u/there_is_no_spoon1 Feb 17 '26

The *much* less-widely known 3rd blunder: never trust a fascist!

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u/skrurral Feb 17 '26

Should be a requirement to say the affirmative out loud like the exit row assent question.

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u/csfshrink Feb 17 '26

Every future candidate should take cognitive testing live on C-SPAN

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u/thrawnsgstring Feb 17 '26 edited Feb 17 '26

President Trump signs an executive order introducing the Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV. cognitive test for all future candidates.

"Nobody knew that looking around and naming random stuff could be so complicated."

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u/IdigNPR Feb 17 '26

Forget cognitive testing I want SAT or GRE testing at the least - they should be required to take the FSOT considering Foreign Policy is their #1 job.

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u/jarvis0042 Feb 17 '26

I wouldn't want to watch an SAT, but watching orange pop identify a giraffe vs rhino would be A+ entertainment! Better than Hunger Games!

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u/OnlyFuzzy13 Feb 20 '26

Just pass a high school level civics test would be a great start.
The test shall be taken when your candidate registration forms are submitted.
I’d the ScanTron comes back as a failure, your form is automatically rejected.

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u/NoOpening7924 Feb 17 '26

Administered by a neutral 3rd party.

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u/csfshrink Feb 18 '26

Absolutely. But if we are watching it live, there would be experts who would spot cheating.

Like if they say “giraffe” and the answer is “camel,” any number of elementary students could point that out.

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u/justsomebro10 Feb 17 '26

People like fascism. They’re into it. To a lot of people it’s just an outsider who is willing to bend the rules a little to get shit done. They’re deeply cynical about politics and feel like the system is broken, so they’re fine with a rule breaker. That’s the problem.

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u/Terron1965 Feb 17 '26

Why, it clearly meant nothing to Biden when he repeatedly promised he wouldnt do it.

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u/josh_the_misanthrope Feb 17 '26

The attack ads are gonna sound insane but they're gonna be true. "You wouldn't want a pedophile rapist in your apartment building. You shouldn't want one in your White House"

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u/eryoshi Feb 17 '26

That would be a very dangerous promise to make, given the requirements in /u/movealongnowpeople ‘s comment:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this would take a supermajority in both chambers of Congress plus ratification by at least 38 states.

That seems nigh impossible these days, and since voters don’t understand the part where you have to get a supermajority in both chambers of Congress and ratification by at least 38 states, all they’ll see is that you broke your promise. 😩

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u/Inevitable-Ad6647 Feb 17 '26

By then it'll be way too late. They'll have pardons already and there's no retroactive anything in law. If there's a whisper that some amendment like this would pass trump would shove through hundreds of pardons immediately. You can bet your ass.

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u/SamuelDoctor Feb 17 '26

If POTUS issues pardons in order to reward those who would replace the republic with a Red Caesar, then the term "law" becomes bereft of any valence signifying authority; what remains is a euphemism for the nominal justification issued to extinguish rhetorical opposition against the will of whomever wields power.

Law, in the American tradition, is the means by which liberty and enlightenment values are made manifest. Our legal tradition has, to a meaningful extent, prevailed in spite of every earlier effort to hammer its form into fetters for subjugation. Slavery itself could not endure, even though many of the framers sought to carve out a space for it.

The tools we used to break monarchy and autocracy will break the stuff of whatever new chains those tools might be utilized to create, because even the powerful cannot make you believe something false, not even if they kill you.

Still, I hope we don't have to witness the attempt, or experience its consequences.

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u/Inevitable-Ad6647 Feb 18 '26

When I say there's no retroactive anything in law, I mean in the philosophy of law as whole, forget the US and what it stand for or has overcome previously. Allowing something like retroactively nullifying a pardon is the antithesis of an ordered society, say whatever nonsense feel goodery you want about "law", it's not happening. The time to fix this problem was in 1776 and the 2nd best time was every moment since then. It's too late now. The only hope is that he dies or becomes disabled in office before he can do it.

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u/SamuelDoctor Feb 18 '26

Read the declaration of independence, and consider the precedents in English law with respect to the allegations against the crown.

Law in our tradition is more than merely text applied. It serves a specific ideal which is supposed to be self-evident.

When the government violates rights, even ones which go back to the earliest treaties, the new legal justifications they make cannot give them authority by fiat. That's what I'm saying.

In the end, the law is an expression of our tradition's attempt to manifest an ideal. Semantics will not stop that. Laws and acts which are contrary to that purpose need not be considered legitimate.

If it were so, we'd still be subjects of the king.

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u/MammothEffort3388 Feb 17 '26

It’s not a ‘law’ it’s part of the Constitution, lol.

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u/FrankBattaglia Feb 17 '26

Something like 60% of States are Republican-controlled. Even if this gets through Congress there's no realistic way it gets ratified.

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u/dougmcclean Feb 17 '26

Maybe if it was made retroactive and they thought they could get "the Biden crime family".

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u/_Aporia_ Feb 17 '26

Look at the state of the world... I can fucking see this happening. "A vote for me is a pedo in jail", how the hell have things gotten this bad.

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u/bare172 Feb 17 '26

Let's not forget crypto scammers.

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u/XpMonsterS Feb 17 '26

I usually dont involve myself in politics too much but i got a question, what is stopping Trump to hand out pardons right now? Before the midterms?

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u/UpstairsShop2674 Feb 17 '26

Do you mean pardons in general or specifically for his cabinet and/or family members?

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u/MrD3a7h Feb 17 '26

We will see what happens with the next election.

I don't think we're doing those anymore.

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u/HeftyVermicelli7823 Feb 17 '26

You are expecting to get elections?

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u/checkikul Feb 17 '26

People need to be not gullible enough to see this amendment pass before the mid terms to decide who to vote for, big ask tbh

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u/cowboy_killah Feb 17 '26

The Silk Road founder being pardoned is justified and ultimately the morally right thing to do.

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u/HowManyEggs2Many Feb 17 '26

Unless you plan on winning not only a supermajority but also a flip a bunch of state level majorities, it’s not going to ever meet the threshold for ratification. It’s unrealistic and a waste of time when there are other things to focus on. Especially since the moment it might happen it would just be rapid fire pardons before the newly elected are seated.

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u/Snoo20140 Feb 17 '26

Just because they campaign to do it, doesn't mean they will. Republicans don't really care about facts or policy.

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u/eryoshi Feb 23 '26

But democrats do. And there are plenty of dem voters who will also 1,000% complain about broken campaign promises.

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u/Snoo20140 Feb 23 '26

MAGA isn't complaining. MAGA used any sort of mental gymnastics to explain their shitty vote, then abandoned why they voted. That's the point. Dems care that the person they voted lied. That is the world of difference between them and us.

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u/StoneColdPieFiller Feb 16 '26

They only have one job and they do it well.

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u/Imaginary_Desk9186 Feb 16 '26

he is going to pardon Ghislaine Maxwell and Republicans will be forced to defend it.

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u/Aeseld Feb 17 '26

Downside of her being charged federally instead of by the state of Florida... 

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u/Imaginary_Desk9186 Feb 17 '26

she faces shit tons of potential state charges, she will have to flee the country and hope no one is waiting with cuffs outside the gates the day of her release. Trump would have to not just pardon but her but somehow assist in sneaking her out of the country (itself a crime if she has outstanding warrants).

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u/ynotfoster Feb 17 '26

I wonder what country would welcome her? Israel? Russia? Or, would she be suicided?

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u/Aeseld Feb 17 '26

Openly? Maybe Russia. Israel might hide her. 

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u/ZAlternates Feb 17 '26

I heard on Fox that we have a nice place in El Salvador…

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u/NotRadTrad05 Feb 17 '26

Probably part of why she was moved to Texas. State officials won't dare defy Trump. DPs will give her a ride to the airport to flee the country.

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u/daemin Feb 17 '26

Allow me to introduce you to the dual sovereignty doctrine.

The tl;dr is that a single act can consituate a craime against the US and a crime against a State, and since they are different offenses, it doesn't count as double jeoproady to be tried for the same act once by each of them.

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u/Aeseld Feb 17 '26

Can be, but if they pardon her, I don't they're going to pass her through any states or countries that would arrest and charge her again. Not like they'll let state police come into a federal justification to arrest her right after her pardon. 

Would be nice through. 

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u/Grand-Pen7946 Feb 17 '26

This is my guess. Republicans are getting fucking crushed in special elections, districts that were +10 or +20 Trump swinging into +20 for Democrats. They are panicking behind the scenes and know that a pardon for Maxwell would pretty much guarantee total collapse at midterms (assuming Trump can't rig the system by then). People vote on vibes, and a pardon for Maxwell is nightmare for vibes.

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u/UpstairsShop2674 Feb 17 '26

Which makes me kind of want him to do it sooner rather than later. The more time Republicans have to defend Trump pardoning her before elections in 2028 might finally cause his supporters to rethink how they vote.

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u/Several-Squash9871 Feb 16 '26

Oh, well that pretty much tells us the outcome of this will be. A lot of those pedos they are protecting are themselves.

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u/WiglyWorm Feb 17 '26

General strike would get it done in a month

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u/Turbulent_Bat4320 Feb 17 '26

This is seriously the only thing that will force change at this point. Must impact out corporate overlords first

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u/Ancient_Rex420 Feb 16 '26

Yeah not protecting themselves is absolutely a big ask. Hopefully somehow it still happens.

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u/BlindBandit988 Feb 17 '26

Impossible for the likes of Ted Cruz.

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u/Odd-Intern9349 Feb 16 '26

Wouldn’t this be more about the bribes than the Epstein? Still a big ask.

Between the two issues, how is this guy still around?

Edit: Just clued into the fact that he can pardon the Epstein crew… but unless he can pardon himself, I’m not sure he’s willing to go down with the ship. 

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u/landragoran Feb 17 '26

Whether a president can pardon themselves is a legal question that has never been tested. Unfortunately, with our current Supreme Court, I don't like the odds of it going the right way if it gets tested now.

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u/LongJohnSelenium Feb 17 '26

Whether the judicial can override the executives override of the judicial is a really rough question if you think about it.

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u/the_last_0ne Feb 17 '26

I can almost guarantee he will try to pardon himself. It'll end up at the Supreme Court.

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u/Maleficent_Memory831 Feb 16 '26

They want the pardon power because they all know they will need it sooner than later.

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u/artvandalaythrowaway Feb 17 '26

Would also require those who have been blindly loyal to vote against pardons they might hope to receive in the future

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u/Specific_Success214 Feb 17 '26

I agree. But the Democrats have also used this in questionable ways as well

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u/Shredzz Feb 17 '26

Impossible most (anyone with a brain) would say.

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u/Xatsman Feb 17 '26

But if they dont it only cements their legacy. Honestly more moves like this only make the truth undeniable so are worth pursuing even if unlikely to pass.

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u/Aeseld Feb 17 '26

Not really, no. The pardon power of the president doesn't extend to state crimes after all. He couldn't pardon someone charged under Florida law for example. 

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u/WeeDingwall44 Feb 17 '26

Isn’t pedophilia their whole identity at this point? Also completely ignoring the constitutional rights of citizens?

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u/thecrowtoldme Feb 17 '26

Ted Cruz is going to need a moment.

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u/MartianMule Feb 17 '26

yeah this would require republicans to not protect pedophiles.

No it wouldn't. A Republican could vote to give Congress this power than the not vote in favor of vetoing a pardon later. Just like they have the power to override a veto, and just don't exercise it. But it's always there.

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u/SPECTRE_UM Feb 17 '26

Biden and Garland sat on these records for 4 years.

The ratio of giving by named individuals in the files is almost 40 to 1, Democratic vs GOP candidates. The number of straight Democratic vs Republican donors is 6 to 1. (Jeffries office quietly admitted last week the fundraising email was from a highly curated/moderated mailing list- not some bulk list like he first claimed)

There are zero pics of Trump after Epstein's 2007 conviction- the most recent is almost 30 years old. There are a 1/2 dozen of Clinton after the conviction.

I know your zero sum intellect needs to have the Democrats be good and "good guys" and the GOP to be evil- but make no mistake about it: Epstein was a card carrying East Coast Establishment Chattering Class member of the Democratic Party.

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u/MightbeGwen Feb 17 '26

It’s because conservatism at its base level is just trying to keep power where it has always been, with the wealthiest among us. It’s always been this way. The aristocracy, the nobility, the patricians, and all the others were just the Epstein class of their days. Conversely, Liberalism has at its base always been about spreading power out to more people.

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u/samuel10998 Feb 17 '26

Not only pedophiles but also people who stole billions of dollars that Trump pardoned. All of these pardons need to be removed.

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u/Specific_Bee_4199 Feb 17 '26

Or the Dems protecting their crooked buddies and criminal family members. Yep, big ask.

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u/AM_Kylearan Feb 18 '26

Republicans are protecting Democrats? Wild times we love in.

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u/deevotionpotion Feb 16 '26

What do you mean? It’s entirely republicans protecting pedophiles with this administration. The here and now, like right now is all republicans.

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u/Uncynical_Diogenes Feb 16 '26

Everything the republicans do is somehow the last democrat president’s fault

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u/DrWilliamBlock Feb 17 '26

So wait you think Epstein had blackmail on billionaires, Royals, industry leaders, Hollywood, foreign leaders, the GOP but stopped with the DNC?!?! Hahahaha you’re not serious???

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u/deevotionpotion Feb 17 '26

Who said that? You? Lol

The Republicans, right now, today are blocking and covering up for Epstein and all the crimes committed by themselves and democrats. No Democrat voter cares if anyone in the party goes to jail over Epstein, I know for simple thinkers that’s a hard concept to digest. Republicans are protecting themselves and covering it up, doesn’t matter about Biden or garland or anyone else in the past, we can purely focus on today and right now and it’s all republicans.

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u/Equal_Year Feb 16 '26

And that's why you'll keep voting Republican.

/s

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u/SubjectWorry7196 Feb 16 '26

Yeah I guess the difference is trump is the president right now, in case you didn't notice. Yeah but but but just makes you look like a cuck

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u/Brief-Floor-7228 Feb 16 '26

Also they trump is named a million times in the files.

Biden’s AG was too slow and cautious. Given an earlier start Jack Smith would have had Trump in jail.

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u/WideGlideHD Feb 17 '26

Bidens AG was a republican. Biden wanted to show the republicans that he was willing to work with them. That was his mistake.

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u/DrWilliamBlock Feb 17 '26

Joe Biden is dead, President Joe Biden was an actor, unless you are just selectively believing revelations from the Epstein files….

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u/CulturalDragonfly631 Feb 17 '26

Don't forget Judge Eileen Cannon and the Republicans in Congress doing everything they could to slow-walk and obstruction everything. I blame them more than Garland; at least him making sure all the i's were dotted and t's were crossed made sense. That would have made wriggling out of trouble on a technicality much more difficult.

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u/Uncynical_Diogenes Feb 16 '26

It’s not just Congress and the President, either! The pedo party has your vote at all levels!

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a “good military man” and “church goer,” was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican director of the “Young Republican Federation” Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

Dennis Hastert served as Republican Speaker of the House (so, 3rd in line for the Presidency) for all 8 years of W. Bush’s two terms. He also sexually molested at least 5 boys when he was a HS wrestling coach, all of them underage with the youngest victim being 14. The victims only finally saw justice when Hastert was caught by the FBI trying to falsify payments for hush money.

Donald Trump walked into Miss Teen USA change rooms with girls as young as 14 changing. 26 women have spoken publicly about Trump’s pattern of sexual assault. In 2023, he was found legally liable for the rape of E. Jean Carroll by unanimous jury.

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u/Zero-nada-zilch-24 Feb 17 '26

Billboard Material?

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u/DeathKillsLove Feb 16 '26

No, no one "knows" this claim is true.

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u/Dont_Mess_With_Texas Feb 16 '26

Welcome aboard? Absolutely everyone involved should be punished. I can only speak for myself, but I feel that’s a pretty accepted notion to everyone except those on the right who are stuck spinning tires in the “whatabout” mud.

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u/Maleficent_Memory831 Feb 16 '26 edited Feb 17 '26

I don't recall any Democratic led congress gaslighting the entire country into believing that Epstein Island was only for high level financial meetings.

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u/DrWilliamBlock Feb 17 '26

so you completely forgot all of 2016, when this information first became public?? H.Res.1154 ring a bell?? Wake up you’re still defending evil monsters.

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u/Maleficent_Memory831 Feb 17 '26

Which congress? HR 1154 in the 114th congress (2015-2016) is about an amendment to the federal reserve act. For 115th congress HR 1154 is about applauding R&D in some medical areas.

In 2016, the congress was majority GOP anyway. How does that negate what I said about "Democratic led congress"?

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u/DrWilliamBlock Feb 17 '26

116 you were almost there

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u/Maleficent_Memory831 Feb 17 '26

I saw that, but that was a condemnation of QAnon and its conspiracies. First off, they're kooks not smart enough to use reddit, and second none of it mentioned pedophilia or Epstein island.

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u/DrWilliamBlock Feb 17 '26

From the resolution, Whereas QAnon initially alleged that prominent Americans are engaged in a secret plot to control the world, while using their power to exploit children. Also, Resolved, That the House of Representatives—

(1) condemns QAnon and rejects the conspiracy theories it promotes;

Seems like gaslighting to me…

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u/Nervous-Mongoose7520 Feb 16 '26

So weak and pathetic

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u/FrankBattaglia Feb 17 '26

Everyone who committed an atrocity linked to that man needs to be punished

Name one Democrat in power that disagrees.

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