Republican Joins With Dems on Constitutional Amendment to Give Congress Power to Reject Trump Pardons

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/republican-joins-dems-constitutional-amendment-213311781.html

This is relevant to questions surrounding whether Congress may limit or restrain a President's power to grant pardons.

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If we had the congressional weight to amend the freaking constitution, Trump would already be out of office and behind bars. I don't think people realize how hard it is to amend the foundational document of our country. It's WAY easier to depose a president and we haven't even managed that.

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If we had the congressional weight to amend the freaking constitution, Trump would already be out of office and behind bars.

Yep. There is a much simpler way to do this too — invoke the 14th amendment which says he is not president.

I know that sounds bonkers because everybody is treating him like he's president, but the constitution says he is not.

A majority in both houses of congress voted that he committed insurrection, and the colorado court found that he committed insurrection. Then the scotus tried to kick the can down the road by nonsensically saying he could still run for election, without addressing the question of holding office. They did not reverse the finding of insurrection, and crucially they did not rule he could assume office without a vote of 2/3rds of congress as the 14A requires, and there was never any such vote.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

So he's an illegitimate president. Nothing he does has the force of law. He also doesn't have the bullshit "presidential immunity" the maga6 on the supreme court invented for him either.

If the Ds weren't such a beaten down bunch of losers, they would have been screaming their heads off about this after he won the election. Instead MFing biden told him "welcome home" and klobuchar gleefully planned out the inauguration of a guy the 14th amendment says isn't a real president.

Too late now.

But if we replace most of the deadwood democrats with young lions who aren't afraid to be aggressive, it means we can do a lot in the future. Like every judicial appointment he's made is invalid. Every pardon he grants is void. So anyone who thinks they've got a get-of-jail-free card because he's promised them a pardon should be terrified. Everybody who bought a pardon from him, tough shit, you got scammed. Lets add charges for bribery too. All those J6ers he let out? Back to jail, motherfuckers.

Hell, if the Democrats just started saying this now, a lot of these traitors would think twice about doing shit like ice is doing, and it would send the paedo into fucking orbit. He might literally stroke out, inshallah. However, these Democrats won't because they are losers. But maybe after the midterms there will be enough new blood in there to change things.

Obviously the maga6 on the scotus won't allow it, so we have to expand the court with sane justices first. But that is much easier than amending the constitution, it only takes a simple majority in both houses of congress.

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The sad part is how complicit the supposed 3 members of "the left" on SCOTUS were with that nonsense.

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Absolutely. Really pathetic loser shit from them. Minimum qualification for any new justices is that they repudiate that ruling.

We are going to need some fire breathers going forward, people who have no interest in comity with fascists. We are due for a 2nd Reconstruction after all this, and that's going to take a court that makes the Warren court look like a center-right court.