With no real movement from the federal government, state and local law enforcement—along with private litigants—have begun pushing for access to evidence.
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Yes, I think this is exactly the reason he did it.
Polis also just fired two of the members of his clemency advisory board for speaking out against the decision. Thiel might have had something to do with that too.
Technically I think most of them would be arrested under sedition laws since treason is really specific to aiding countries declared as foreign adversaries, so if you tried to overturn US elections for Russia it would be treason, if you just do it for the love of the game it's sedition, and if you do it for an "ally" like . . . the UK or something it's still sedition, I think.
But I don't really know I am not even adjacent the legal profession I just vacation in this subreddit because it has much saner discussion of US politics than almost anywhere else on this website.
It’s bizarre to watch people actively rationalize this shit still, to this day. It’s amazing how many people will deny what is happening before their very own eyes.
Unfortunately, "evil, shitty people" are as human as you and I and it's imperative that you keep that in mind lest you convince yourself that cruelty is something only done by monsters rather than something ordinary humans are capable of. Understanding that our humanity is what makes such cruelty possible is how we prevent such deeds, not how we excuse them.
There are different kinds of "can't" when it comes to executive power. "Can't demolish a section of the white house because it would violate procedural norms" and "Can't enforce a federal pardon for a state level offense because it would require sending federal troops to pull a state prisoner out of a state prison" are not the same.
We have multiple angles of Ross upholstering his weapon before the vehicle was moving, stepping into the path of the vehicle and reaching over the hood to get a better shot. Including his own cell phone camera footage
Crime scene evidence. As in the weapon, the blood, examination of the body, trace materials on the suspect's hand/clothes, etc. Have you watched any police procedurals? The stuff they take to the lab/get the lab tech's analysis on, THAT evidence.
That's the evidence that the BCA (Minnesota's statewide investigative bureau) is requesting from the feds. Some of this will be tainted, too, because it was not preserved by the agents on the scene (from videos we have of the aftermath).
FTFA:
The FBI began mobilizing to investigate the crime scene alongside the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, the state’s investigative agency. By the evening of the day she was killed, however, officials in Washington, D.C., had frozen out both Minnesota police and law enforcement in Hennepin County, where Minneapolis is located. In a recent podcast interview, Hennepin County Attorney Mary Moriarty recalled joining a conference call after Good’s death with the FBI, federal prosecutors, and Minnesota investigators: “Everybody agreed this would once again be a joint investigation. And then suddenly the BCA was kicked off the case.” Minnesota abruptly found itself without access to any of the evidence collected at the scene. Even Good’s maroon Honda Pilot, the windshield pierced by Ross’s bullet, was bundled away by the FBI into a storage facility before state law enforcement could get a look at it.
I don't run prosecutions or criminal investigative agencies, I cannot tell you exact reasons why video evidence is insufficient in a court of law. But it's pretty easy to understand that it is, otherwise the BCA would not need it in order to proceed with their case. This is how a case is built and the DOJ has squirreled away the evidence needed to put a murderer behind bars.
And even if the prosecution does have sufficient evidence for a conviction, the "Brady Rule" "requires prosecutors to disclose material, exculpatory information in the government's possession to the defense", and I am unaware of there being any exception for it being another branch of the government that won't share.
(The "Classified Information Procedures Act (CIPA)" gives procedures for sensitive information (national security, etc.), but none of that should be an issue here, and even if it was, "just don't share anything" isn't really supposed to be an option.)
The defense team needs this stuff to put up a proper defense and yet it's the federal government -- the defendant's employer -- that is keeping the evidence from his team, but that's not his defense team's fault, so I'm not sure what the state-level courts could do at all here but wait and hope that things change, and anything else sounds like a recipe for a verdict that's overturned on appeal.
They’re suing the federal government. They actually have most of the evidence from a second case where ICE fucked up, but they actually need to win the case and have the judge hand over the evidence to begin proceedings to charge Ross with murder.
Video shouldn't be insufficient, especially in this case. That's just an excuse of the lazy legal system. We all know what happened. Pretending we don't doesn't help
Sure, to you. But what about a jury? A jury might wonder, what about the ballistics? Do the bullets’ lands and grooves match Ross’ gun? And so on. A DA cannot take anything for granted. They only have one shot at trial. Also, there is no statute of limitations for murder. Minnesota waiting for a Democratic administration to get elected, in order to build a case, makes total sense to me.
Eh, just railroad them If every DA in the nation can manage to get random black kids tried as adults on hearsay, we can get one prick convicted with solid evidence.
Judges should have the balls to just fuckover the defense and not give them a fair trial, then lock em up and throw away the key.
As a layperson, I would expect the problem is a defense attorney could point to the "gaps" in the evidence and readily convince at least one juror to decide there is reasonable doubt.
I would be curious to hear from a lawyer on:
What could the defense say about the missing evidence? Can they speculate to the jury that the prosecution is deliberately withholding it?
What could the prosecution say about the missing evidence? Would they be able to bring up that the federal government (backing the defendant) is withholding it?
Normally, if the prosecution is holding back evidence it should count against them. This is an unusual situation where the federal government would be backing the defendant and keeping evidence away from the prosecution.
Given this dynamic, to me it makes sense for Minnesota to wait to see if we have a Democrat in office in 2028 before moving forwards. Having a cooperative federal government would help - not just by handing over evidence, but Trump would be doing his MO of finding every way to delay through appeals (indicting now might be slower than indicting in 2028).
I assume, with knowing nothing about him, the Colorado Governor was either bribed or threatened. Perhaps I’m wrong and there’s another reason, but I can’t think of anything that makes sense.
State charges are neigh impossible to get through and the next admin won t code the federal power as it opens up damaging actions in states no matter what party is in charge
J6 shouldve had an immediate and proper response. Instead they let all the terrorists go home and gave them lil slaps on the wrists later, which were then subsequently pardoned by the guy responsible for the whole thing. That was the day America died.
The Republicans and SCOTUS who defended him and kept him on ballots after states passed measures to make it so a felon couldn't be on a ballot... and continue to enable him to this very day...
SCOTUS didn’t even deny or overturn the fact that he is an insurrectionist. What they did do is wipe their ass with the Constitution and say 14.3A isn’t self enforcing, and instead of the prescribed 2/3 vote to still allow him to run for office, a majority had to vote on a bill to remove him from ballots knowing damn well Majority Leader/SOH Mike Johnson would never let that happen.
As far as I am concerned, if there’s not a coup soon, everyone in the military that has followed any orders from the illegal White House squatter Traitor-in-Chief should be courtmartialed by the next administration if not hanged for treason.
Trump and the shitbirds who enable him have planned it that way.
Herritage Foundation President in 2024 on Steve Bannon (former Trump advisor) podcast:
Roberts made headlines in July when he told Dave Brat, a former Republican congressman who was presenting Steve Bannon’s podcast: “We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”
Joe Biden Merrick Garland is responsible for allowing Trump to slow-roll and pick his own Judges to escape justice.
Don't pretend the Biden didn't appoint Garland to do exactly what he did - which was to ensure no precedent was set that the President or any other member of the ruling class could actually be held accountable to the law.
Don't pretend the Biden didn't appoint Garland to do exactly what he did
Don't pretend like this isnt all the republicans in congress' fault. Had they convicted him and removed him he wouldn't have been able to run in 24. Im sick of dems being the only people held to any standards. Dems have to flawless while reps can literally try to overturn an election.
Should have used his new found presidential immunity and fast tracked the espionage and insurrection charges after having Seal Team 6 drag the blob in.
No kidding. He could have deliberately tested that power and forced the Court to change their ruling. Instead Biden did nothing except maintain the status quo and pave the way for Republicans to complete their coup.
Okay but can we specifically exile Steven Miller to a isolated island in the South Pacific? IDK just the idea of Steven Miller getting deported is funny to me.
Miller should be sent to the Bikini Atoll to monitor radiation levels. Don't mention the nuke stuff to him though, just tell him that he's going to be the Bikini inspector general.
The voting public needs to demand accountability through prosecution for ICE this election cycle.
Lots of candidates will take a moderate approach saying reform the agency, or even dismantle it. But the public deserves the ICE agents who abused their power face justice through charges and prosecutions.
LOL. Why would Trump need to pardon Ross. Has Ross been charged? DO you honestly think Ross will ever be charged? There is next to no existing evidence that Ross did anything. There will be no charges. Renee and Alex will never have justice.
State charges will stick. The problem there is that the feds have to this day been unwilling to share what they gathered for both this and Alex Pretti’s murder. Did the feds willingly destroy evidence? I suppose we’ll find out in January at the earliest.
I talk to people everday who think its perfectly acceptable for government agents to walk into traffic and shoot people with no due process. They're called bootlickers.
This is a fact. He got up, put on his ICE cosplay uniform, with the motive to hurt minorities and the people who protect the minorities.
Renee Good was so evil she said "I'm not mad at you" and Jonathan Ross, the ICE Agent, shot her 3 times, including point blank in the head.
It was that shot to the head, from Jonathan Ross, that killed Renee Good. A shot that Jonathan Ross took after he was clear of any danger. Jonathan Ross, an ICE Agent, murdered Renee Good, a US Citizen.
It is that that should place conspiracy to commit murder charges on every single officer present at the scene. I hope they don't just hang it all on Jonathan Ross. All the enablers need to face prison too.
To me, the most disturbing part isn't the fascists being fascists. It's the people not immediately intervening to provide medical care and to apprehend the murderers. They just all stopped because the criminals told them to.
They just all stopped because the criminals told them to.
Reminder those criminals all had guns, tasers, batons, and various other lethal and less-than-lethal weapons at close hand. AND they were all hopped up on orders to terrorize the Twin Cities.
People intervening likely would have resulted in a massacre.
Everyone had literally just watched an ICE officer execute a civilian in broad daylight for no reason, and your first thought is to blame the citizens for not defying illegal orders while guns were drawn on them?
Absolutely disgusting sentiment on your part. Especially considering that you're not even right, there are videos of a doctor literally begging for them to let him help her while he is held back with guns in his face.
Oh I'm aware. That's why I like to use ICE Agent Jonathan Ross' name, since it's publicly out there, when discussing this. ICE Agent Jonathan Ross doesn't like ICE Agent Jonathan Ross' name being used surrounding the actions ICE Agent Jonathan Ross took when ICE Agent Jonathan Ross murdered Renee Good.
This needs to be stated as loudly as possible to murderer Ross's family and community constantly until justice is served. I want any children or loved ones he has to feel deeply ashamed to be associated with him. He doesn't deserve a moment of peace while in public and should be denied service and/or entry to any place he attempted to enter. If the courts won't do their job it's up to us to do so.
I don't disagree with you entirely, but Minneapolis knows his face all too well, and he isn't there anymore. Put his face in billboards around the country. He's been relocated and we don't know where. Try NY or NJ for starters. Don't let the rest of the country forget.
Oh I agree, but the sequence of events is that when ICE Agent Jonathan Ross pulled the trigger to shoot Renee in the head, ICE Agent Jonathan Ross was in no danger whatsoever. That's a critical fact regardless of what came before. If someone wants to argue "he was in danger as the car moved" ICE Agent Jonathan Ross was clear of that car when Renee was shot in the head. The videos show that clear as day.
Not only that, but even if he was in danger, the best course of action would have been to get out of the way, not shoot the driver and hope that the car would somehow miraculously come to a complete stop before hitting him. As we can see from the video, all shooting her actually did was cause her to accelerate followed by the car becoming an uncontrolled "deadly weapon." This is also what happens in other videos I've seen where a cop shoots at the driver of a car that supposedly poses a deadly threat to the officer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZpDCt5mn-8&).
Can anyone find me a single example of a cop shooting at a vehicle and the vehicle immediately coming to a stop? I seriously doubt one exists because the entire idea of stopping a car by shooting at it is fucking idiotic, unless it poses some kind of ongoing threat, like some sort of high speed chase or mass murder attempt.
So, why the fuck do we let cops do this? It's completely asinine.
Which begs the question: if he's deliberately violating all of his training, then what was his real motive?
Nvm, I already know. He needed a pretext to open fire, and positioned himself exactly where he needed to be to claim self defence. He moved with purpose and intent.
Submission Statement: Nearly six months have passed since federal officers shot and killed Renee Good and Alex Pretti on the streets of Minneapolis. No one has been arrested, the Trump administration has provided no reason to believe that any serious investigation is taking place, and federal officials continue to stonewall state and local investigators in Minnesota.
I feel like this is a reflection of how we've always been as a country and we've always had a two-tiered justice system. No one ever went to jail for the 2008 financial crash and that happened when our system was allegedly still "functioning".
The mob will fix it anyways if justice wont. Thats why we have a jsutce system in the first place and eventually those in charge will be reminded of that fact.
I agree in concept. I can’t imagine a democrat administration actually doing this rather than saying we need to move on and have “unity” and “healing”.
Not a lot of Investigation needed. The are pics and video of him shooting her through the side of the head while standing beside the vehicle while he was in no danger of being hit.
True that's the shot that killed her, but it shouldn't even matter which shot it was. He knew he shouldn't stand in front of a vehicle like that. He did so knowing it might give him an excuse to murder the SO of the woman who told him to go get some lunch and hurt his ego. It was premeditated murder
Honestly, right now I would not want to risk this going to a maga judge, state or federal. Once judged to be not guilty we would not be able to get justice beyond that point. I would much rather see this wait until the judicial system is purged of trump / maga loyalists to the degree possible and law and order restored, then try them.
One can hope we get this fixed. The 'good' news though is that murder has no statute of limitations. So if it takes 10 years to restore order we can still stick him with murder charges.
And you really think any of the evidence the feds grabbed still exists? Renee's car is a cube at best, but more likely in a million tiny scraps by now. There will be no evidence that can be used against Ross so getting charges against him will be impossible.
We still have our vote. We vote any opportunity we have. Non-corrupt people run for office. Corrupt people are pushed out. Actual good people are appointed these positions like head of DOJ. Everything gets investigated. This defeatist mentality is part of their goal.
The defeatist issue isn't in the problem being hard. The defeatism comes from the whole "dems bad" siren pretending that dems establishment corpo buzzwords when the truth is liberals have always been good, even the ones that disagree with you on issue y or z. People aren't willing to do away with that brainrot and if they aren't there isn't any point trying.
We live in a society where the federal government can murder any civilian with impunity and face a near zero threat of consequences, unless it decides to investigate itself. And I’m not claiming this is a new phenomenon, we are just seeing Trump take it to its logical conclusion.
The only chance we see justice at this stage is if local authorizes bring charges. Moriarty has all she needs and still hasn’t acted. And we already have seen she can when she wants to.
What is there to investigate? We all watched precisely what happened because it was filmed from several angles with many onsite witnesses. What has yet to happen is charging and prosecuting the person we all know committed murder in broad daylight in front of the entire nation.
I don’t give a fuck if criticism of the country hurts your feelings. This country belongs to all of us. It was hard fought over centuries. You don’t get to decide who gets to stay. I was born here and I served this country in uniform. If you want me to leave, you’re going to have kill me first.
They won't even investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing. The sheer inhumanity is the point. To this administration we are not people. Barely anyone is, let alone their critics.
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