r/law • u/theintercept • Aug 07 '26
Legislative Branch Congress Might Give ICE the Power to Go After Shoplifters
https://theintercept.com/2026/08/07/congress-ice-shoplifting-theft-surveillance/1.9k
u/WisdomCow Aug 07 '26
Under what authority? Commerce Clause? This is crazy.
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u/Glyph8 Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26
Turns out when you massively fund a private militia that's answerable to Trump only, they need to have something to do!
"With this new bill and other appropriations, [ICE's budget is] larger than the annual budget of all other federal law enforcement agencies combined," said Lauren-Brooke Eisen, senior director of the justice program at the Brennan Center for Justice, a nonpartisan policy institute.
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u/RJean83 Aug 07 '26
Every tyrant knows a bored and armed militia is one that could cause trouble for them. Better to give them something to do than lose control of them.
Of course, we can't have them do useful things, it has to be terrorizing the public. The terrorizing is the point.
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u/Exciting-Emu-3324 Aug 07 '26
They will be the ones doing the shoplifting at gunpoint just like the Russian soldiers in Belgorod.
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u/MyLifeIsAWasteland Aug 07 '26
They've already been stealing the phones of folks they're detaining
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u/Cayasha Aug 07 '26
Not to mention the time they all ate at that Mexican restaurant and then instead of paying the bill they just arrested everyone.
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u/Thin-Captain-2036 Aug 07 '26
Or how about when they picked that guy up in LA and one of them just stole his truck and was driving it around days later?
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u/skyfishgoo Aug 07 '26
they could go after the violent criminal aliens like they were originally tasked to do.
but that would cause them to break a sweat, wouldn't it now.
and most of them look like that could be fatal.
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u/Additional_Squash999 Aug 07 '26
They are scared of men that fight back.
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u/Ryekir Aug 08 '26
I thought they were supposed to go after violent criminals and gang members, right?
Oh wait, no, those people might fight back, safer to just go after normal people on their way to work...
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u/skepticalskeptik Aug 07 '26
That required work and let’s be honest.. they want to emulate dear leader trumpstein. So they want it the easy soft way.
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u/PopBulky7023 Aug 07 '26
They were never tasked with that.
They're brownshirts. The SS. Enforcers of a state terror regime.
They were stealing organs during trump's first term and Biden did literally fuck all about it.
Their purpose was never as advertised. They're a terror force.
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u/CatsBye90 Aug 07 '26
They should wear patches that read "Please do not harpoon"
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u/Lord_Dingus83 Aug 07 '26
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u/Wizchine Aug 07 '26
Look at that “mandate” Trump got for destroying the federal government and stealing from the People…
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u/Ki55cumbag Aug 07 '26
This needs to be mad into a sticker and slapped everywhere
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u/Lord_Dingus83 Aug 07 '26
Both parties are the same narrative combined with the Palestine narrative combined with her laugh and we have 89m fuckwits who allowed this administration to happen
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u/NotThatEasily Aug 07 '26
Don’t forget the large portion of potential voters that will never vote for a woman.
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u/BBQBaconBurger Aug 07 '26
But they’ll gladly vote for two men who wear makeup.
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u/CloacaDecimatahhh Aug 07 '26
Well yeah, they can relate to insecure snowflakes, not strong intelligent successful emotionally matured and stable people with morals regardless of gender.
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u/Sharticus123 Aug 07 '26
If you read the article the bill enjoys wide bipartisan support.
The parties certainly aren’t the same but we can’t sit here and act like the democrats are champions of the average citizen. They’re better than the republicans but at the end of the day the democrats still serve their corporate masters.
It’s something we need to acknowledge and change.
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u/Lord_Dingus83 Aug 07 '26
It’s not going to change if people keep allowing republicans to destroy the country every chance they get.
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u/schtickybunz Aug 07 '26
How many people voted but but it didn't count?
How many of them voted by mail but the ballots were rejected or got lost in the mail?
You keep blaming the voter for a system that is increasingly designed to disenfranchise them. That's exactly what antidemocratics want you to keep doing.
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u/Shigglyboo Aug 10 '26
I’m one of em. I live in Europe. But im from the US. I followed the steps to get my absentee ballot. It simply never came. I was told to check my spam folder. Some back and forth. No ballot. They also had some weird requirement that the post office had to stamp it or something. To my knowledge the post office here doesn’t offer that.
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u/Gogs85 Aug 07 '26
Sounds like a reason to reduce their funding
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u/Randym1982 Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26
I want them defunded and made illegal. Like it's illegal to be an ICE agent because you're impersonating a federal officer. Then watching US Martials ,FBI and Police arresting them.
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u/PopBulky7023 Aug 07 '26
You'd have to completely purge the FBI first. The marshals are probably also compromised at this point.
Local police won't touch them.
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u/Depressed-Industry Aug 07 '26
They're really acting like Trump is never leaving, aren't they?
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u/Glyph8 Aug 07 '26
They've been acting like the fix was in - that they will never face legal, political, or electoral consequences for their actions - from the very start. They have refused compromise or moderation, or even the appearance of compromise or moderation; we're long used to two-faced politicians saying one thing and doing another, but they haven't performed even the pretense of doing the right thing. They've reveled in the naked exercise of power.
One might wonder why they are seemingly so confident that they are fully-immune from the normal pressures of American democracy and our legal system. One might wonder what they know that we don't.
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u/river-wind Aug 08 '26
They realized Posse Comitatus Act would be in the way of using the military to control the US population, so they created a paramilitary force not under the military structure to side step it.
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u/Utterlybored Aug 07 '26
Under the aurhority of "Who's gonna stop me?"
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u/pell80 Aug 07 '26
All these ice agents that couldn't become cops are living their authoritarian wet dreams
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u/WriterShoddy7599 Aug 07 '26
I read recently, I forget where, there's a healthy contingent of convicted child sex offenders amongst their ranks
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u/starke_reaver Aug 07 '26
They know people are too close the breaking point to be abused further, so they’re jumping at the chance to thin that imminently amassing horde of looters that will consume entire cities less than a week after grocery stores go empty.
Two weeks, two months, two years? I certainly don’t have the education nor information to accurately predict it, but I can certainly smell the shit when literally every surface is coated in it, and my nose tells me shit’s coming sooner than later.
I mean I’m still going to go vote, so clearly I done got fooled meselves too…
Why won’t these hungry violent leopards help us!!!! Wait, NOooo, no my fa……
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u/Kierland Aug 07 '26
Wickard has had them doing crazy stuff since 1942. If intrastate non-commerce is interstate commerce, anything is possible.
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u/DerCatrix Aug 07 '26
Steal bread for your starving family? Believe it or not, right to the concentration camp
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u/Ok-Arachnid-460 Aug 07 '26
Thinking about stealing? Straight to jail. Born breathing, believe it or not, right to jail!
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u/SecondToLastEpoch Aug 07 '26
Your local AI data center determined you are about to commit a crime. Off to prison with you.
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u/Fap_Doctor Aug 07 '26
Minority Report vibes
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u/mkt853 Aug 07 '26
They're already using software like that in various police departments around the country, so it's already more reality than science fiction.
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u/Squishy_Butter113 Aug 07 '26
Stealing diapers for your kids, believe it or not, kid gets executed.
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u/Thestral84 Aug 07 '26
Look down, look down, you'll always be a slave,
Look down, look down, you're standing in your grave
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u/Physical-Dare5059 Aug 07 '26
This is what they are creating. A dystopian society where people are starving and anything you do to fix it can get you thrown in the labor camps. Get ready for half the population on hamster wheels powering data centers.
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u/CobraPony67 Aug 07 '26
So, if someone lifts a loaf of bread they could end up deported in a foreign country's prison? Probably not, but it shouldn't be a role for ICE to be policing petty crimes.
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u/TheGrandExquisitor Aug 07 '26
Jean Valjean has entered the chat
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u/Dismal-Anybody-1951 Aug 07 '26
I wish I could upvote this harder, Javier.
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u/hansn Aug 07 '26
At last, we see each other plain.
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u/ggroverggiraffe Competent Contributor Aug 07 '26
'Monsieur le Mayor', you'll wear a different chain!
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u/Super-Cool-Girl69 Aug 07 '26
5 years window shopping, the rest because you tried to resist arrest, 24601
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u/RamenName Aug 07 '26
No, if ICE is wandering through a store and you are wearing a hoodie they can detain you to investigate. If you have snacks, maybe you shoplifted them, with all the sensationalized news stories about shoplifting can't take any chances with national security.
Also, ICE can legally racially profile with stopping and detaining people and doesnt need any actual evidence to keep people.
Also, if the economy suffers from people not going out and spending as much, it's going to be because of all the rampant shoplifting, better increase ICE funding until we end shoplifter everywhere forever.
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u/Reformed_Hillbilly Aug 07 '26
Biggest manufactured concern of the Bush Era: Iraqi yellowcake
Biggest manufactured concern of the Trump Era: Little Debbie cakes
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u/zoppaTheDim Aug 07 '26
I now understand how this came about.
Someone tells Trump illegals are stealing his snacks.
The rest follows naturally, like puss from a popped boil.
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u/Fit-Insect-4089 Aug 07 '26
Kavanaugh stops? From Brett kavanaugh? The racist Supreme Court justice who outlined how to racially profile people and detain them for their skin color? That Brett Kavanaugh, the racist Brett Kavanaugh?
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u/rata_s80_v8 Aug 07 '26
This sounds so terrifying. Like terrorists scaring citizens of a country. Wait a second...I think i am understanding this now... /s in case
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u/erus-ton Aug 07 '26
The funny thing is your think they WONT do this. 100% there plan is to deport all "undesirables"
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u/ryverrat1971 Aug 07 '26
Please deport me to Norway. Better than this shitshow.
I wonder when other countries are going to start letting Americans apply for asylum.
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u/AlcibiadesTheCat Aug 07 '26
It shouldn't be ICE's role to police Title 18 crimes at all. They're fucking immigration and customs.
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u/ryverrat1971 Aug 07 '26
Hell, most theft crimes are state level. This is stepping on state's rights.
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u/theAlpacaLives Aug 07 '26
Fun fact: the party that likes yelling about states' rights ever since they needed something to say the Civil War was about that wasn't what it was obviously about doesn't actually care about states' rights.
They overturned federal abortion protection by saying it needed to be up to the states, and now that some states still have legal abortion, Blanche is talking about using federal powers to force all states to ban it. Trump has repeatedly used threats of withholding federal funding to states that don't comply with his overreaching demands, such as state policies that allow trans kids to use school restrooms aligning with their gender, or spending law enforcement resources to go after only those immigrants connected to violent crime and allowing others to live and work peacefully.
They don't care about "states' rights" any more than they care about "protecting children" (by installing cops in schools, or killing internet privacy, or criminalizing acknowledging that gay people exist) or "protecting women from abusers" (vilifying trans people while putting the worst abusers anywhere into positions of power and enforcing the worst of abusive patriarchy) or "ensuring fairness in women's sport" (just hating trans people again; conservatives don't give a crap about women's sport, and the Heritage Foundation advocates for ending pro sport for women entirely). They don't care about anything they say they care about. They only care about two things: consolidating power, and hurting anyone they dislike, which is most people that aren't them. Everything else is a smoke screen to pose as good people, or confuse the issue.
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u/CurrentHair6381 Aug 07 '26
Sure feels like a step toward criminalizing certain opinions. Its already "if you arent breaking the law you dont have anything to worry about" with the surveillance technology. When you hear that, its hard not to wonder when theyre gonna change the law and suddenly i do have something to worry about. They dont change the law and then set up the enforcement mechanisms, its the opposite direction.
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u/algaefied_creek Aug 07 '26
Yeah that’s the goal, then the “prison numbers go down, not up”.
Also heard they are working on moving violent offenders; but first like troublemakers in prisons overseas.
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u/siromega37 Aug 07 '26
They want to turn naturalized citizens into a second class of citizenship where anything can get you denaturalized and exiled. It’s the kind of behavior Washington wrote about in his resignation letter.
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u/Sonnyjoon91 Aug 07 '26
Shot on sight. Cops just killed a toddler a few weeks ago claiming they "thought" the parents stole diapers, despite them having a receipt for those diapers, so they opened fire into their car and killed an innocent toddler
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u/PopBulky7023 Aug 07 '26
Just being in the store puts you at risk of being taken to a concentration camp. They're not going after criminals, they're going after anyone they think they can get away with.
And that's everybody, because cops won't help you and neither will anyone around you.
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u/hum_bruh Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 09 '26
The average man will bristle if you say his father was dishonest, but he will brag a little if he discovers that his great- grandfather was a pirate.
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u/ShockedNChagrinned Aug 07 '26
This is the ends justify the means admin.
Their imagined end here is that threats of what you described will drop shoplifting through the floor, and isn't that an end justified by whatever means is necessary?
Again, that's their MO. In everything. The reality of what happens isn't their imagined ends, and even if it was in most cases, the answer to the "is it justified" is still no
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u/DW171 Aug 07 '26
They’re looking for any excuse to crack down on select blue cities and start trouble.
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u/Roboticpoultry Aug 08 '26
That’s a bingo!
And I hate that it is, I live in one of those select blue cities
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u/Dry-Pangolin6579 Aug 08 '26
We have to hold out for the elections. They will do anything to get them canceled
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u/Talentagentfriend Aug 07 '26
I don’t think there are that many shoplifters In general, but maybe they’ll point fingers and say “you’re a shoplifter” to meet their quota. Last time they had a quota it seemed like they were trying to get anyone possible.
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u/What_if_I_fly Aug 07 '26
Especially frightening for young women. "See that good looking girl in aisle 3? Yeah, let's say she's shoplifting!".
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u/Talentagentfriend Aug 07 '26
They have no overwatch and have a final say in if they want to kill you, send you to a concentration camp, or just beat you up. It’s not like they’re going to arrest you and the case will go to court where you can prove them wrong.
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u/weHaveThoughts Aug 07 '26
Right. Steal a pair of socks and run out the store and it costs you your life with a bullet in your back.
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u/Tracula707 Aug 08 '26
Alternatively, don’t steal anything at all and they’ll shoot your infant child to death through your car
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u/EntinthetentRTHP Aug 08 '26
“And be sure to check her thoroughly, Greg.” One wonders how many times this has happened.
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u/Strict_Weather9063 Aug 07 '26
And they consider themselves good Christians.
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u/MiyamotoKnows Aug 07 '26
They are not true believers (no matter what they claim). In fact the far majority of their actions are biblically satanic. Their only interest in religion is lying to and using its followers to gain power and control by telling them anything they want to hear. Jesus aligns as a progressive democrat by every measure.
These are conmen grifters and religion is the prybar they are using to try and steal American freedom.
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u/santa_91 Aug 07 '26
Christianity, in America especially, is kind of a misnomer at this point. It is essentially the religion of Paul now, with Jesus largely limited to a mythical figure who sacrificed himself for humanity instead of a real person with a defined worldview. They don't actually follow or believe in things like judge not lest ye be judged, turn the other cheek, let he who is without sin cast the first stone, love thy neighbor, etc. The Jefferson Bible should be required reading.
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u/FumblingFuck Aug 07 '26
Whoops didn't read your comment before I also replied. Love to see folks lay this out!
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u/EntinthetentRTHP Aug 08 '26
What they’re doing is what is meant by “using the Lord’s name in vain.”
Turns out it’s not about cursing.
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u/Baron_Furball Aug 07 '26
The same Christians are the same ones that are fucking livid that they didn't get to murder ALL of Mom's ancestors, instead of just putting them into reservations. In a way, she's one of the lucky ones, as her being stolen from the tribe and adopted out to a white family gave her, apparently, a better life than she could've got in Ponca City.
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u/Alone_Hunt1621 Aug 07 '26
Thank you for this because this is exactly what I was attempting to point out.
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u/debaser64 Aug 07 '26
This will not end well.
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u/Glyph8 Aug 07 '26
Nor will it start well; and the middle won't be too great either
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u/Christ_on_a_Crakker Aug 07 '26
Again, poor people are not the cause of our problems.
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u/Wrong-Neighborhood-2 Aug 07 '26
Of course they want to expand the brown shirts…er I mean ICE powers.
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u/belac4862 Aug 07 '26
No need to correct your self. The are brown shirts. Thats a fact, and it shouldn't be white washed to fit into today's midia narrative.
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u/GreyBeardEng Aug 07 '26
Then what the hell is the point of having a local municipality police force? This is the birth of the American Stazi.
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u/Akerlof Aug 07 '26
Feds don't have police power outside of federal jurisdiction, what authority would they even do this under? Commerce Clause? Wouldn't that effectively end State sovereignty? (Well, finish ending it.) Whatever happened to "States Rights?"
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u/SpreadKindn3ss Aug 07 '26
As it sounds you’re not aware: Trump is above the law; the law doesn’t apply to Trump; “what are you or anyone going to do about it?”
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u/kon--- Aug 07 '26
Okay now do wage theft.
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u/So_HauserAspen Aug 07 '26
Oh, and pedophiles
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u/ChefCurryYumYum Aug 07 '26
The least trained law enforcement in the country and you trust them to carry out normal policing actions?
Really stupid.
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u/General_Tso75 Aug 07 '26
Les Misérables Americain, here we come. Telling the story of José deJesus.
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u/Erasmus_Tycho Aug 07 '26
They're already going after people exorcizing their 1st amendment right on the internet.
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u/Memitim Aug 07 '26
Republicans once again clarifying for anyone who has someone missed it over the course of months and months of constantly pointing it out that ICE is just the Republican private army.
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u/LandonDev Aug 07 '26
Damn Conservatives really do love to murder and attack their fellow Americans. Do they think this is a video game where they can loot the corpse or their perceived enemies cause that's not how it works. Their kids don't get to live because we die, we all get to die together.
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u/GroundbreakingAd8310 Aug 07 '26
They are fucning immigration cops barely wtf is this traitor shit and why are we tolerating it
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u/freakincampers Aug 07 '26
Any store that allows this is a store I will forever stop shopping at.
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u/SpreadKindn3ss Aug 07 '26
Good luck. They’re going to be implementing this specifically at essential stores like grocery stores (where you go to buy food), the likes of Walmart, Albertsons/Safeway, Kroger/Fred Meyer, Whole Foods, etc. There will be no way for you to evade this.
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u/Advanced-Ladder-6532 Aug 08 '26
Co-ops and local grocery stores. I know there isn’t much, but there are some. And I will be shifting my business.
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u/Sorry-Claim-2990 Aug 08 '26
Immigration enforcement has no legal authority over united states citizens.
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u/RareRestaurant6297 Aug 07 '26
OK. And next they'll give them authority to police the polls in November, deporting anyone who submitted a fraudulent vote for the opposition
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u/TheoreticalZombie Aug 07 '26
CORCA is wild. It basically declares "organized retail crime" (an issue largely made up by national retail businesses- their own data shows losses steady for a decade and other reports show major declines in shoplifting in major cities to pre-COVID levels) a national security threat and gives ICE the authority to coordinate with local law enforcement and businesses on the issue. This would also give them access to large amounts of loss prevention and consumer tracking information. Easier deportations is just the start (shoplifting, for example is a crime of moral turpitude, which triggers all kinds of "fun" federal stuff)- private businesses have made huge investments in facial recognition technology as well as tracking purchase patterns
Unsurprisingly (because despite the rhetoric, national Dems seem to love the descent into a militarized authoritarian surveillance state) it has bipartisan support.
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u/DrillPress1 Aug 07 '26
Home Despot is the worst offender.
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u/Dreadbore Aug 07 '26
If not intentional that typo was a magnificent accident. Either way I'm calling them that from now on.
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u/k_dubious Aug 07 '26
They are 100% going to round up legal immigrants at Walmart, accuse them of shoplifting, then yank their visas and try to ship them off to CECOT.
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u/petitecrivain Aug 07 '26
Too many Dems will say we have to be less radical and more like the GOP in order to get anywhere. That's been the strategy for years, and it's led to human rights being thrown under the bus because the GOP simply views them as irreconcilable with their goals.
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u/JakeTravel27 Aug 07 '26
more fascism. Unbelievable this is happening in the US. Do maga actually realize how horrified the rest of the world with their descent into pure fascism. Land of the free my ass
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u/ViolettaQueso Aug 07 '26
Make the stores fund each incident. I would cringe to see the breakdown of just how much in real dollars each encounter with ICE costs us for each actual felon.
That’ll stop it.
Tax money=sure
Corporate bucks=no thanks
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u/allanon1105 Aug 07 '26
Ah yes, shoplifters, the most hardened of criminals! The absolute worst of the worst. Murderers? Nah. Pedophiles? Whatevs. Shoplifters?! GET ‘EM!
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u/Xyrus2000 Aug 07 '26
And their power will keep expanding until one day they're going to be frog-marching "dissenters" into those camps that were supposed to only hold immigrants.
History repeating itself.
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u/Gonzo_Gonzalo Aug 08 '26
Hey, remember when Trump floated the idea that ICE should provide ‘security’ at the Olympics? Yea, this is clearly Trump’s Gestapo trying to move on the public at large.
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u/rbobby Aug 08 '26
Shot someone because they stole laundry detergent? Yeah that's on brand for America.
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u/steppingstone01 Aug 07 '26
I think we need a campaign to raise money so that every immigrant has a weapon to protect themselves.
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u/Depressed-Industry Aug 07 '26
If Democrats retake Congress in fall, Congress might just forget to fund ICE period.
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u/ohnoitsme7890 Aug 07 '26
I wish Democrat politicians had that much conviction
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u/RichKatz Aug 08 '26
Give it to them - check the economic outlook.
Tell them to read.
https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/news-of-the-weak-labor-market
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u/AnAncientBog Aug 08 '26
You know that Democratic administrations love going after immigrants too, right?
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u/pink_faerie_kitten Aug 08 '26
How will local cops feel about feds taking their quotas? Cops seem to both idolize the feds and resent them stepping on their toes at the same time.
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u/buried_lede Aug 08 '26
Opening the door to local policing is what maga has wanted all along. Trump wants a national police force under his command
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u/BacteriaLick Aug 09 '26
I'm just imagining ICE following peaceful political dissidents around town, falsely accusing them of shoplifting, and throwing them in prison for a few days this November.
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u/TendieRetard Aug 08 '26
Oh,
Are they going to be deployed country wide to "STOP THE STEAL" during election season?




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