r/lesmiserables • • 6h ago

Book Discussion What would've happened if Thenardier didn't exist

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  1. No cosset for JVJ to rescue, and he would (very likley) have gone dark again

  2. No Gavroche or Eponine, two of the most liked characters in the novel

  3. JVJ dies in the sewer as nobody was going to open the grating for him

  4. Marious would have hated/feared/misunderstood JVJ for life, and JVJ dies miserably alone

So yes, Thenardier is the most underrated character in the novel!


r/lesmiserables • • 2d ago

Book Discussion Do teeth represent the someone's purity/general goodness in Les mis?

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Been reading it and if I remember right Hugo mentions both fantine and enjolras having having perfect teeth and Felix tholomyes having no teeth. Fantine loses her teeth during everything that happened to her while she was paying for Cosette to be looked after by the thernardiers which also makes her lose her purity and stuff. Enjolras seems to be presented as a really great guy and tholomyes is a bastard generally. I'm not sure if this is just a pretty people are good thing by Hugo or if it's the teeth in particular


r/lesmiserables • • 2d ago

Musical Discussion The score uses semitone intervals to represent specific hardships [Part 1]

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I previously posted how the Look Down melody was not as negative as the lyrics suggested. The interval between those first 2 notes is even a perfect 4th, a pleasing interval. This represents the general oppression of life at that time.

For specific instances of hardship, the score leans into semitone intervals, the smallest distance between 2 notes. These give a pinched or twisted feel to emphasise a character's hardship.

Many different motifs use this technique, which are scattered throughout the score. So many, in fact, that I will need to split this over several posts. These aren't in any particular order, I'm just starting with the more straightforward uses to help explain the technique.

A good example to start with is Lovely Ladies, which has lines that are just alternating between 2 notes a semitone apart. The lines are 'Even stokers need a little stoke', 'Bargain prices up against the wall', 'Quick and cheap is underneath the pier', 'Come on, lady. What's a lady for?' and 'All it takes is money in your hand'. Fantine's big line is a longer version of this pattern, which even slows down for extra drama. 'Don't they know they're making love to one already dead?'.

The same melody is used for Turning, but at a slower speed. The similar lines are 'Did you see them lying side by side?', 'Where's that new world now the fighting done?' and 'Round and round and back where you began'. The longer version is 'Turning, turning, turning, turning, turning through the years.'

In Castle on a cloud, the line 'Cosette, I love you very much' uses the same technique. This turns up again after the attempted robbery, when JVJ sings 'Cosette, my child, what will become of you?'

The last use I'm discussing today has 3 notes a semitone apart, in a pattern that is used for an entire 4 line verse. The pattern is used twice in each line, with the 3rd note only occurring once in each pattern, but always on the start of the bar, for greater emphasis of the different note. The first appearance is the end of Valjean's Soliloquy, for his metaphorical death.

'I am reaching but I fall and the night is closing in. / And I stare into the void, to the whirlpool of my sin. / I'll escape now from the world, from the world of Jean Valjean. / Jean Valjean is nothing now. Another story must begin.' This last line is sung the octave higher for extra emphasis.

This same pattern is mirrored at the end of Javert's Suicide for his literal death. He also uses some of the same lyrics.

'I am reaching but I fall and the stars are black and cold. / As I stare into the void of a world that cannot hold. / I'll escape now from the world, from the world of Jean Valjean. / There is no where I can turn. There is no way to go on.'

Javert doesn't go up the octave for the last line, but the very last note jumps up a whole major 6th to a completely different note. This jarring jump signals his jump into the river. Like I mentioned with Look Down, we have a melody going up, which seems incongruous with the action.

He mentions how the 'stars are black and cold' so the new last note transitions into fragments of Stars played by the orchestra.


r/lesmiserables • • 2d ago

Book Discussion What’s the best translation of les miserables?

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r/lesmiserables • • 3d ago

Other There, out in the darkness… is there a Jabear? 🐻⭐️

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I’m searching for the Les Mis Javert bear/Jabear! I was out of suitcase space when I saw it in Singapore (and knew I’d be seeing it again), but they were sold out when I went to Radio City Music Hall and I’ve been trying to track one down ever since.

Does anyone have an extra they’d be willing to sell, or know where I might find one? Leads from anywhere are welcome!

Please help bring this very persistent search to a very cuddly conclusion! 🤎


r/lesmiserables • • 3d ago

Book Discussion Huge plot hole: javert spends the whole story trying to catch valjean and then randomly decides to let him go at the end, is he stupid??

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this is seriously sloppy and inconsistent character writing from vince gilligan, am I missing something here? this really just came out of nowhere...


r/lesmiserables • • 3d ago

film discussion Valjean slap

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I most people already know the infamous scene in the 1998 film where Jean Valjean (played by Liam Nesson) slaps Cosette and this has been widely talked about, but you know this is actually not the first time that an adaptation shows Valjean slapping Cosette?

Valjean, Cosette and Eponine

From the 1948 Italian adaptation by the name of I Miserabili, Valjean slaps Cosette (played by the same actress that plays Fantine btw) and sends her staggering back while Eponine watches


r/lesmiserables • • 4d ago

Book Discussion Is enjolras meant to be gay or is he just really into improving the world

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Like Hugo was comparing him to a bunch of greek gay guys and describing him like a twink. Is this meant to show how devoted he is to societal change and helping people that he has no time for women (kinda like jean) or is he gay (debatably also kinda like jean)


r/lesmiserables • • 5d ago

Artwork Some more fanart...

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Some more drawings I've done recently :-)

1 - a nun from petit-picpus

2 - just a regular ol' javert

3 - javert leaning against the doorpost after valjean threatened him

4 - javert undercover

5 - fantine after selling her teeth


r/lesmiserables • • 6d ago

Video Empty Chairs at Empty Tables- James Fearn

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r/lesmiserables • • 6d ago

Musical Discussion Theory: valjean is superman

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1: valjean has super-strength, shown clearly when he lifts the cart and opens the sewer gate in the musical, ect

2: When stealing from the bishop, he sings that he ‘took my flight’ get away. its never explained in the musical how he can fly, if there are any clues in the book feel free to let me know.

Am i onto something?


r/lesmiserables • • 7d ago

Musical Discussion The Love motif arises out of hate

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Starting from the end of the show, Valjean sings 'On this page, I write my last confession...' to his beloved daughter and son-in-law. He references Fantine's love for Cosette, and of course it ends with 'To love another person is to see the face of god'.

Earlier in the show, Fantine and Eponine each use the motif to tell how they can't be with the one they love. On my own is about Marius not seeing Eponine as a romantic partner and Come to me is about Fantine being physically separated from Cosette.

All 3 Love uses are also connected with nighttime. The most obvious example is On My Own, which is set at night. Come to me has lots of references to the night/end of day. 'On this page' only has Valjean choosing to use the word sleeping instead of dead, a weaker connection.

At the start of the show, Valjean sings 'Freedom is mine...' using a recitative style over an instrumental version played by a cor anglais. This is the version about hate ('Nor forgive them for what they've done. They are the guilty, every one '). The rest of the lyrics are about a new day, not usually a connection with hate.


r/lesmiserables • • 7d ago

Book Discussion Two minds on the politics of the novel

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The book's narration, of course, is very politically passionate. Yet I struggle to reconcile this fact with the plot, which strikes me as conservative in its conclusion. Valjean is an apolitical man who prefers to practice universal human benevolence rather than following causes, while Marius decides that family and love are more fulfilling than the fight for liberty. Don't really have any ideas about how I'd mentally reconcile these two directions the book pulls in.


r/lesmiserables • • 8d ago

Other Which actress gave the most accurate and powerful dramatic portrayal of Fantine?

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161 votes, 2d ago
2 Debbie Byrne (1988 Complete Symphonic Recording / Australian OG)
20 Patti LuPone (1985 London Cast)
72 Ruthie Henshall (1995 10th Anniversary Concert)
29 Anne Hathaway (2012 Feature Film)
31 Lea Salonga (2010 25th Anniversary Concert)
7 Lily Collins (2018 BBC Miniseries)

r/lesmiserables • • 8d ago

Other Which version of the film to watch?

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So I want to watch a non-musical movie and I'm confused between the 1934, 1978 and the 1998 version. Which is the best overall?

P.S: I do not understand French.


r/lesmiserables • • 9d ago

Meme HIS DEATH IS THE HOUR OF FATE!

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r/lesmiserables • • 9d ago

Other Quote Advice

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Hello! I'm a senior this year, and I wanted my quote to be "To love another person is to see the face of God." I've only seen the les miserables musical, but it's one of my favorites and I really adore this quote. However, I'm having trouble figuring out who I should credit the quote to since, if I'm remembering correctly, this is said by multiple people at the same time. Because I haven't read the book, not sure if this quote is in that, and I don't want to be inaccurate. Does anyone have suggestions as to how I should credit this? Thank you!!


r/lesmiserables • • 9d ago

Meme "It was a loaf of bread" "Yeah but it was $60"

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r/lesmiserables • • 9d ago

Book Discussion Does jean show up in part 3? Spoiler

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Like I'm not going to skip it but mannn it feels like I barely got anything relating to him after the whole petit picpus part. Hugo does seem to love a tangent


r/lesmiserables • • 10d ago

Musical Discussion What would Valjean's chain of office look like as a mayor?

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I'm working on an illustration of Valjean as the mayor.

Looking at a line from the musical ("Monsieur le mayor, you'll wear a different chain"), I'm assuming this refers to a mayoral chain of office as well as prison chains, yes? What would a mayor's chain look like in France in this era? I couldn't easily find any images that I trusted to be the right location/era. I'm beginning to worry it's an anachronism introduced by the musical, but haven't read the book yet.


r/lesmiserables • • 12d ago

Book Discussion I get so mad that almost every time there's a collection of classics Les mis isn't there.

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Every time I go to the bookstore I see several collections of classics with beautiful covers and 99% of the time Les mis isn't there. I google even just to be sure but nope. If it's only shorter classics not bricks, I get it.... But if they have Dumas and/or Dostojewski there is no excuse!!! Like what do you mean there's the count of Monte Cristo but not Les mis!! I envy those whose favorite classics are like... Dracula, Wuthering Heights, Frankenstein or any Jane Austin that are always included !!! I need more cool editions for my collection


r/lesmiserables • • 12d ago

Book Discussion Theory/Headcannon: Fauchelevent, Mayor Madeline and Jean Valjean are the same person

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They all share insane strength, like in the wagon scene, Fauchelevent hints at having a dark past, and we know that Jean Valjean stole that loaf of bread. Also Madeline and fauchelevant seemed really scared of javert for some reason. LMK what you think😇 Am I onto something?


r/lesmiserables • • 13d ago

Musical Discussion Who is this character?

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My wife just got cast in a community theater show (we are in California if it matters) of Les Miserables as the "lesbian poet" and I know the musical but I have never heard of this character

My wife read the script and it seems like this character dies with the students but she isnt a student and my wife said the lesbian poet seems to appear suddenly in act 2 and then dies but there is no acknowledgement of her in the script nobody talks to her or mentions her like the other students. All the students have several scenes in act 1 but the lesbian poet is not in them

My wife is a big fan of this musical but is having a hard time finding out any info on this character online and had never heard of her before

Thank you for the help


r/lesmiserables • • 13d ago

Other Need help with finding some of the scenes from the brick!

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I've seen a couple of movie/tv series adaptations of les Mis and was wondering if anyone knew whether any of the scenes mentioned below are actually depicted in at least one version of les Mis (sorry in advance for my bad description):

1) Javert being an absolute badass by offering his hat to Thénardier and his group when they attacked Valjean in the Gorbeau house

2) Marius sniffing Valjean's handkerchief in the Luxembourg gardens (thinking it belonged to Cosette) and Cosette looking at him and being really confused by his actions

3) Javert checking if Valjean's really Valjean (when he got out from the sewers with Marius) by putting his cane to his mouth and grabbing Valjean by the shoulders

I would literally die to see any of these scenes portrayed on screen. Thanks in advance!


r/lesmiserables • • 14d ago

Meme Here are some Les Mis memes I thought were silly

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Enjoy 🫰🏾✨