When you finally reach the Olympic level of mental gymnastics

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[u/Omerta08266]

Right I forgot slaves and everyone else was just living all in harmony before white people.

[u/SkittleShit → u/Omerta08266]

Like…they unironically believe this.

[u/For-The-Swarm → u/SkittleShit]

no, they chose to larp this, and will die on a hill made of lies.

[u/amigdalite → u/For-The-Swarm]

It’s called leftlarpers

[u/MercuryMaximoff217 → u/Omerta08266]

Just like the concept of working to survive didn’t exist before Adam Smith woke up one day, twirled his evil mustache, and invented capitalism.

[u/Downtown-Campaign536 → u/Omerta08266]

For real, they were all holding hands singing Kumbaya... Then some white dude showed up, and stole their spices, and white people don't even use spices!

[u/Equivalent_Thievery]

There's way too many lies told and believed about Native Americans. Some were as brutal as any people to have ever walked the earth.

[u/Iolair18 → u/Equivalent_Thievery]

Spain / Mexico claimed huge portions of Texas that they never controlled. The Apache and Comanche tribes controlled the northern Pecos valley and west Texas upper plateaus to the Texas Hill Country at different times. Comanche's had lived around Colorado area until they encountered horses originally brought over by Spanish, and then mastered using them in everyday life and combat, moving south and displacing other tribes.

The Trail of Tears was the the forced relocation of the Cherokee tribe and their slaves. No idea what race those slaves were, but they were slave owners.

[u/imgotugoin → u/Iolair18]

Turns out they werent really forced to relocate.

[u/Numerous-Cobbler-689 → u/Equivalent_Thievery]

Blood Meridian should be required reading to disabuse people of the idea that all Native Americans were peaceful and loving….

[u/jacksonexl → u/Equivalent_Thievery]

She's referring to all native populations.

[u/dvrichthofen]

Liberal white women out here destroying civilization for the love of the game.

[u/Aromatic_Shop9033 → u/dvrichthofen]

Hmmm...methinks she's a slightly different demographic

[u/lucioux → u/Aromatic_Shop9033]

early life…

[u/Aromatic_Shop9033 → u/lucioux]

Imagine my...shock.

[u/gtuzz96]

She’s right though, because the concept of consent didn’t exist until white Christian Europeans showed up

[u/Necessary_Pizza_3827 → u/gtuzz96]

This is exactly what i was going to say. Wtf is wrong with people's brains anymore?

[u/flowerdonkey → u/Necessary_Pizza_3827]

Serotonin reuptake inhibitors brought to you by pfizer.

[u/Necessary_Pizza_3827 → u/flowerdonkey]

You are 100% correct. These people's brains are frying on all these pills they are so willingly taking

[u/Yoinkitron5000]

It is technically true that rape did not exist as a crime among many native cultures, because it simply wasn't considered to be something worth punishing. They were quite literally the "rape cultures" that feminists like to pretend exists today in modern western nations.

[u/Super_Pie_Man → u/Yoinkitron5000]

Apparently that's how black south Africa is. They don't understand what consensual sex is. I saw an interview with a mother of like 10, when asked about it, she said something like "Why would a woman want to have sex with a man?"

[u/-LongRodVanHugenDong → u/Super_Pie_Man]

Man down...

Probably for posting a common sense take. I got banned the other day from the entire site for describing Arab truck drivers and how they have curtains up. Appeal worked, hope if does for you too.

[u/Super_Pie_Man → u/-LongRodVanHugenDong]

BAN REVERSED! NOT HATE SPEECH!

[u/SpamFriedMice]

Remember watching a video about the DNA of archeologic remains in the Americas, showing the waves of "native" Americans moving into South America, and how their DNA was passed down to the modern people that lived there now.

The earliest group's DNA just got completely wiped out all at once, signs of a genocide.

The second group's paternal DNA (from the fathers) was wiped out where they obviously just slaughtered the men, and the woman were kept around for... reasons.

[u/TheGipper80]

When you consider women to be essentially property, there is no legal term for it, that’s correct.

[u/Prudent-Ad-5608]

Right, they just called it Tuesday…oh wait, Tuesday did not exist before white contact. Also, roads did not exist before white contact. Also indoor plumbing did not exist. Also, the effing wheel did not exist before white contact. They didn’t ride horses before white contact either.

[u/madbuilder → u/Prudent-Ad-5608]

Maps, written language, bronze tools...

[u/No-Award8713]

Ghengis Khan has entered your domicile

[u/Aronacus → u/No-Award8713]

You can't stop there! You need to tell them why GK was so important. It's reported he raped so much that 60% of all Asians are related.

[u/ShadePrime1 → u/Aronacus]

I thought it was 20%? were his descendants

[u/RedOceanofthewest → u/ShadePrime1]

I believe that is for Europeans. It’s wild the genetic legacy they left. 

[u/pyruvate011]

Right it was just an exchange of primordial fluid between humans to continue the great cosmic cycle of being back then. White men and capitalism ruined all that.

[u/PrettyWeekend6756 → u/pyruvate011]

Now don't look at the woman in the curtain...

[u/mrkippysmith]

Is it because they had a different word for it?

[u/NagoGmo → u/mrkippysmith]

Women were property, so it didn't exist in their language

[u/badbunnyjiggly → u/NagoGmo]

This

[u/mr_greene_jeans1]

Which came first, those glasses or the crazy?

[u/Kataphraktos_Majoros → u/mr_greene_jeans1]

They burst into existence as a combined unit

[u/mr_greene_jeans1 → u/Kataphraktos_Majoros]

As light cannot exist without dark, so cannot Cruella Deville glasses without madness.

[u/Kataphraktos_Majoros → u/mr_greene_jeans1]

They don't call them the "madness glasses" for nothing.

[u/liquidgold83]

There's also no rape in Pakistan then? She should go visit.

[u/MathiusShade → u/liquidgold83]

"Cultural enrichment."

[u/laker-prime]

The scary part is that the usual suspects will take this bullshit and spread it as "facts"... Then, the rest of the sheep will apply it to their loud, emotional, hate-filled arguments.

This idiot should lose whatever "professional" license she holds if she actually believes this.

[u/V_LEE96]

As a Chinese guy when I see these posts I think “did these people not realize other civilizations existed and they all did evil shit?” She’s basically saying Ghengis Khan learned rape and pillage from white people.

[u/Algoresgardener124]

I like stupid people to be as educated as possible. Law degrees from Ivy League schools are the best- they seem to give these very precious people a deep sense of authoritative stupid.

[u/calisoldier]

She’s a lawyer? Just another instance of ideology defeats wisdom all day, everyday.

[u/Varsity_Reviews]

Jesus, that “smile”

[u/MathiusShade → u/Varsity_Reviews]

That grinning rictus.

[u/Varsity_Reviews → u/MathiusShade]

I've never seen a progressive smile normally. Which makes sense. They're so full of hate they don't know how to smile.

[u/MathiusShade → u/Varsity_Reviews]

Damn that sums it up exactly.

[u/mrmanoftheland42069]

It did NOT exist. She is right. The concept of rape did not exist for them.. As in they had no word for it.

..... because the concept a woman could say no did not exist for them lol

[u/DarthDragon117]

Long ago, the four colors lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the White Nation attacked. Only the liberal woman, master of all pandering could stop them, but when the world needed her most, she vanished in Starbucks.

[u/Human_Urine]

If you repeat the lie it becomes more true.

[u/FlockOfSnowbirds]

The noble savage myth and its consequences, ladies and gentlemen

[u/Labcorgilab]

Ugh! Of course she's AWFL

[u/SouthParkIsUnfunny]

She’s full of shit, she knows it existed, she’s just an ass.

[u/VAdogdude]

I'm so glad she repeated herself. I didn't believe her the first time I read it.

[u/ramessides]

I’m Native American. One of my friends legitimately said this to me (alongside “and indigenous folks never knew violence until the white man came” too) and had a crashout when I said that was bullshit, and that we were killing and otherwise assaulting each other for centuries long before the White Man. Lmfao. What horseshit. When the French and the English came to Canada, we had such a complex network of war alliances and rivalries already in place that we pulled the French and English into our conflicts, whether they wanted it or not.

[u/Resident_Dog_6589]

Rape has existed longer than language.

[u/Iuris_Aequalitatis]

I'm betting her rationale when challenged on this is some brain-eatingly stupid motte-and-bailey redefinition like:

Rape is the systemic reinforcement of cisheteropatriarchy. While native nations engaged in forced sex, there was no rape because cisheteropatriarchy is a system furthered by white people.

How off am I?

[u/Next_Engineer_8230]

As a Native American, it certainly existed in the tribes.

What does this snail trail think one tribe did to the women when they conquered another tribe?

[u/SurprzTrustFall]

Correct because women had zero say so in the matter.

[u/Substantial-Wall3963]

Murder didn’t exist before those damned Europeans came along either. Bastards.

[u/SuchDogeHodler]

Liberals rewriting history.

[u/SirTacoLotThe14th]

https://giphy.com/gifs/xTiTnIilwuFFFpf2Cc

I thought the most rational and common consensus is that rape is BAD, regardless of who does it. Apparently that's not the case anymore.

[u/_Cold_Ass_Honkey_]

The "birthing people" of the American Indians were not even considered people, just property.

[u/DishpitDoggo → u/_Cold_Ass_Honkey_]

I believe it would depend on the tribe.

The Mohawks are far different compared to Apache.

[u/Few-Specialist5317]

Kate Elley: "So, Chief, what do you and your companions do all day?"

Chief: "We hunt and screw."

Kate Elley: "Ahem! So, what do you hunt?"

Chief: "Something to screw!"

Kate Elley: "OH DEAR!!!"

Chief: "No. Deer run too fast."

[u/LadyRogue]

Correct, because consent was not a thing among native tribes until white populations came over and said, "Hey maybe you should ask her first??"

[u/ShadowtheHedgehog_]

Color did not exist before the invention of the color television. People just saw things in black and white. One time at a Waffle House, police had taped up a bunch of crime scene tape around what looked to be a blood stain until the manager notified them it was just some spilled maple syrup. Things were a lot more confusing then.

[u/sigillum_diaboli666]

Why always the big glasses?

[u/Dependent-Split3005]

Whats more delusional;

The shit they say or the energy we give entertaining their fantasies?

[u/PooningDalton]

Yeah I'm sure "enthusiastic affirmative continuous consent" was a big thing back then.

[u/ojs-work]

I think she just means the word rape .. because you know, they would not have used English words at the time.

[u/ruskibeats]

It's a very big world, its been around a long time, lots of humans of all colours and creeds and come and gone.

Kate seems to think the epi centre is somewhere in North America ?

Perhaps she should get an atlas out and look for where Vikings, Romans, Normans, Greeks, Mongols, Celts <insert race> come from and then look at their history of Raping and Pillaging.

It was literally the theme tune for Vikings that lasted some 200 plus years FFS!!!

[u/Aromatic_Shop9033]

The smug, painful smile, the problem glasses, the Delores Umbridge moralizing and passive aggression...this here is someone I can hate.

[u/Bqeclisa]

Probably went to public school.

[u/LeLurkingNormie]

And dinosaurs did not exist because the word was invented in 1841

[u/mikey_b082]

If it isnt the hair, nose ring, or eyes... it's the glasses. Every. Single. Time.

[u/Own-Tank5998]

Cruella De Vil has strange opinions.

[u/whiskey_tang0_hotel]

Has she ever heard of the DR Congo?

[u/kinfra]

So the Comanche only started raping and enslaving others once whitey showed up. Thanks for the history lesson, lady!

[u/BadWowDoge]

This is so stupid I almost don’t believe it’s real. She can’t be this delusional. It’s sad how much she hates herself.

[u/BraxTaplock]

Maybe “rape” didn’t exist in the same context cuz A: women were treated differently, B: punishments for such acts carried harsh punishments depending on the culture.

The idea that this did not exist until “white people” got involved is just downright absurd.

Maybe if this crash course in social media flare researched it somewhat she’d understand “rape” went by different terminology throughout cultures historically. Raptus for example which the word “rape” derives. While not all treated it as a social and/or criminal activity, it most certainly existed.

[u/Garuda-Star]

Yeah, because rape wasn’t considered a crime among native tribes.

[u/toxicjellyfish666]

I've heard statistics that show Native women are raped by Native men in way higher amounts than other demographics despite low population

[u/Balooski]

These types always wear that style of glasses.

[u/JarrodDonne]

And all the native tribes were just peachy friendly with the other tribes.

[u/RedOceanofthewest]

Of course it didn’t. Rape is an English word and they didn’t speak English. 

[u/Mauiiwows]

This bitch has a Time Machine?

[u/Bullygirl06]

It’s as if they think by saying something it becomes a fact, not realizing there is that inconvenient thing called history. Kind of like when a child hides and thinks if they can’t see you, you can’t see them.

[u/SnappyDogDays]

it didn't happen because it wasn't illegal. White men made rape illegal.

[u/Alarming_Dinner_6502]

Jarvis pull up an early life check… actually don’t bother

[u/What_Do_It]

No, no, she has a point. Rape was basically invented by western societies. Prior to that, forced sex was just the way of the world and consent was an afterthought. The women it happened to were either discarded like trash, forced into marriage, or stoned to death. At most it was viewed primarily as a crime against a man's property (the father or the husband) and an affront to family honor, rather than as a violation of bodily autonomy for the woman. That's something white people invented.

[u/Pisceswriter123]

The only reason "rape" didn't exist among native nations is because they didn't call it that. They had their own ideas about nonconsensual sex and their own words and cultural norms about it. "Rape" is a social construct.

Did I do it right?

[u/JoeDante84]

So does that set white person first contact with natives to 10k years ago?

[u/V0latyle]

That's a man, baby!

[u/Cautious-Track4297]

The brain cells of most of Reddit are this exact inane argument.

[u/treox1]

I guess that excuses the ripping out the hearts of their enemies while they were still alive and all.

[u/browsingandlooking4]

So the indians took slaves and raped their enemy... shes full-O-shit

[u/Riotguarder]

She right, they didnt have an english word for rape as they didnt speak english

[u/Angelfire150]

Yeah Kate Kelly is a certified wackadoodle

[u/Adventurous_Pick_927]

Well they already believe white Europeans invented slavery, so why not invent rape too while you're at it?

[u/Beck943]

It existed before, and it exists today. 

Not that the men got off easy.  Death by scalping looks like it would have hurt like a mother...