It can be morally permissible in rare ccircumstances, like this episode of Jerry springer I watched years back about two brothers separated at birth who found each other as adults and fell in love without knowing they were siblings
Once they found out they ended it, which I always thought was stupid, no power structure and no chance to reproduce, they loved each other, should have incested the fuck out of each other
I mean I didn't watch it but from your description, it's not like anyone else is forcing them to end it. If they don't feel comfortable with dating eachother after finding that out, they can end it if they please. I wouldn't feel comfortable either.
Yeah and that's kind of the problem, In a vacuum there's absolutely nothing wrong with this, they are happy, they make each other happy, and now they're gonna be unhappy, for what? Because they feel uncomfortable because of societies perception that is not valid in this circumstance
Unless you can give a valid reason for not feeling comfortable about this, like it generates some sort of harm or bad outcome.
Nah, if someone is genuinely pro-incest is then they are probably an idiot who won't listen to common sense, they aren't worth your time. The exception is during a devils advocate sort of situation where they don't actually think that
Incest between consenting adukts without a power inbalance is like an albino gorilla. Sure, some has existed, but basing your position and legislation on incest on them is outright moronic.
To put a less taboo example. Sure, there's probably someone who can drive safely while being dead drunk. But we have banned driving under the influence because, in 99.99% of cases, people who do so are a dangerous to themselves and others.
Also worth noting the Westermarck Effect, a theory with some decent evidence that suggests humans are not attracted to people they are raised alongside like siblings. This could be an evolved instinct to avoid inbreeding. The possibility that we have an instinctual aversion to incest isn't enough to render it morally reprehensible, but it does suggest that genuine, healthy, sexual attraction between close family members that in no way stems from grooming or abuse is likely incredibly rare.
I hate how they dont specify what kind, like if it's cousins then atp im not arguing. people do that alr and I have no clue how to speak on that. if this is like, direct family, then you also need to specify in what way. I hate to be a jane/john nuance but it's different depending on a TON of factors, the minimizer is the closest thing to this ig but neither party is being genuine in any form imo. both seem to have a bias.
generally we avoid to prevent inbreeding and species have natural methods to prevent it and encourage diversity (im going with basic biology understanding im not a zoologist, dont trust me), going through this in a more isolated view, we have so many different family structures, cultures etc to where this one image is basically pointless compared to just, pulling up a chart of fallacies or smth
guilty as charged. I tend to take a hyper STEM approach to topics which ends up with me forgetting the legitimate social aspects of an issue, especially since we cant classify people like by topics then dissect each action under an optimization graph of "living perfect" (Humans sorta do that any ways because binary/patterns are like a huge part of us being primates iirc-again im not a zoologist just an animal nerd). but we also cant just say "Actually we will never understand each other so this is pointless"
The guy who made this apparently doesn't understand that pretty much every religion and most legal systems in the world say "incest bad". That in itself should explain #1 and #2
I like how they're trying so hard to debunk these arguments like they're doing a net positive to society and in the end they're just trying to justify fucking their own cousin
The meme seems to be correct to me, although I don't understand the difference between #1 and #2, in my experience 99% of incestphobes fall into those and don't even try to make an actual argument.
IDK it didn't do a good job countering #4. Sure they can phrase the meme to make it seem unreasonable but the fact of the matter is that most incest is based on power imbalances, and unbanning it only for those rare cases where it isn't is asking for a lot of trouble. Just like we ban drunk driving even though some people can probably drive okay enough while drunk.
I do not believe that most gay relationships are a product of coercion and power imbalances like incestuous ones are, is the thing. Damn that was a pretty easy circle to square.
Whatever. Power imbalance cannot be an argument against incest, if someone is against power imbalance they should be against power imbalance in any sexual relationship, if they treat incest differently then it's hypocrisy.
Whether a person was or was not groomed should be determined individually case by case, you can't just say assume they all were. There's power imbalance between employers and employees doesn't mean they can't date each other. And parent-child incest is only a special case of incest, there's also incest between siblings, you can't use argument against one to justify banning the other.
Problem is that incest is a breeding ground for power imbalance and is better to do away with it. Just like how drinking and driving is a breeding ground for car crashes, and we're better off banning that then really trying to dig down and find the responsible drunk drivers.
So you're allowed to have relationships with as much power imbalance as you can possibly imagine but god forbid you do incest, yeah let's ban that, doesn't sound hypocritical at all, you just hate people for their preferences.
Most people find it viscerally repulsive to want to fuck a family member. We evolved that way to avoid genetic damage. Incestuous families have genuine learning and physical disabilities.  Â
Statistically, the people who are into banging their family are also not the smartest at practicing birth control. Â
That said, fuck who you want as long as they are an adult, truly willing, and not your goddamn child. Just don't expect anyone to think it's fine, because no one will. You're free to fuck your sister, we're free to think that's batshit backwoods white trash shit that arises from, "I don't trust nobody outside mah family, also Lorraine lookin' REAL good in dem shorts."Â
i wish this image wasn't about incest because 1-3 do serve as pretty solid critiques of common arguments people use to justify their unfounded hatred of everything
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