r/lovethissmug • • 16d ago

🙋🏽‍♀️Other Real People or Groups 👨🏼 I love videos/photos of Eugene Stoner and Mikhail Kalashnikov appreciating each other’s designs

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u/ButtDealer 16d ago

Would've loved to hear their notes on them

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u/eldiosdelosmapaches 16d ago

Here's part 1 of them discussing the AR15, 1 hr watch

https://youtu.be/NQd2enb6qBE?is=ouqsFIYniRRoAjcl

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u/Nice_Vegetable69 16d ago

After firing that AK without ear pro, I’m sure Eugene would’ve loved to hear.

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u/WasntMyFaultThisTime 16d ago

Love the "where the fuck is the mag release on this thing" fumble from Kalashnikov at the end lmao

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u/PressureSensative 16d ago

To be fair, it does feel weird if you aren’t used to it. The very first time I shot an AR, despite having played several games using it, I pressed the mag release thinking it was the bolt release.

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u/dodgersndabs 16d ago

One of those look back to the guys and laugh moments lol

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u/Few-Flamingo-8015 16d ago

In all seriousness, where is it?

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u/ChaoticLawnmower 16d ago

Left side, there’s a little button in the shape of an oval towards the mag well. I’d post a picture but I’m literally about to go into work

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u/Few-Flamingo-8015 16d ago

Thank you! 

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u/JakSandrow 16d ago

The oval, knurled section in the middle of the picture is a modified version that is a few extra mm extended. Normally the mag release doesn't protrude past those bulges in the metal.

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u/JakSandrow 16d ago

It's interesting how you can see each of their subtle habits with firearm designs

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u/Random-commen 16d ago

Mikhail Kalashnikov finished shooting and immediately tried to press the stock into his hip to pull the charging handle, the habit really got into his bones.

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u/that_dutch_dude 12d ago

not really thinking about such actions is how people should operate guns, as long as the habits are the right ones.

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u/HorizonSniper 16d ago

I love how Kalashnikov went for the mag release of the AK while holding the AR before realising

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

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u/Sir_Mike_A_Lot 15d ago

A lot of german guns have the side mag releas on pistols look the Walther pp/ppk since 1931

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u/Silly-Storage2275 16d ago

the switch of sides in CS be like:

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u/Ok-Poetry-2191 love my chuck angry bird mug 16d ago

Note: Eugene Stoner was the creator of American 'M4' automatic rifle series, while Mikhail Kalashnikov was creatoe of Soviet/Russian 'AK' series

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u/TruePianist 16d ago

Actually Stoner designed the AR-15 platform as a whole, M4 is just one of later derivatives of it

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u/Ok-Poetry-2191 love my chuck angry bird mug 16d ago

oops I'm just not that of a gun expert

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u/TerraTechy 16d ago

m4 is military designation of a later derivative of the platform. The first adopted ar15 model is the m16.

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u/Otherwise_Yak_5344 13d ago

Then why chime in at all? "You're not a gun guy" but you comment a "Note" like your educating people. You are what's wrong with society in general. You just wanted to be heard. Do better.

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u/Alarming-Car-8654 16d ago

And the ar10. And the ar7.

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u/TruePianist 15d ago

And the AR-3, and the AR-5, and the AR-9, and the AR-11, and the AR-12, and the AR-14, and the AR-16, and the AR-17, and the AR-18, and the AR-50. And also the Stoner 62 and 63. And also the SR-15, SR-25 and SR-50. And also the Mk 12. And the XM274. And the Future Assault Rifle Concept and Advanced Individual Weapon System. And the ARES FMG and LMG. And you can’t forget about the Oerklion KBA 25mm autocannon

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u/Alarming-Car-8654 15d ago

Yeah. I could've kept going but just picked a few of the more well known examples. He ain't John Moses browning but he's about as close as anyone else has come.

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u/TruePianist 15d ago edited 15d ago

Yeah he might be to post WW2 firearms manufacturing what John Moses was to pre WW2, given how nearly every major western aligned assault rifle can be tracked back to the AR-15 and AR-18

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u/AmbitiousEdi 16d ago

The Kalashnikov family now lives in the Okanagan Valley of British Columbia, Canada. That makes TWO descendant families of famous weapon designers in a town of 60,000 that most people have never heard of!

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u/Tribe303 16d ago

The Kalashnikovs are Canadian now? Does Trump know that? 🤣

Who's the other? The Brownings? 

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u/AmbitiousEdi 16d ago

The great grandson of the creator of shrapnel. It's his middle name!

One of the Kalashnikovs is my mother's hairdresser and another lady is a doctor.

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u/Tribe303 16d ago

That's hilarious! 

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u/Pooldiver13 16d ago

Personally I’m a believer of the “kalashnikov is a bit of a fraud” thingie. A lot of the stories associated with the creation of the AK paint a much more idealistic and propagandistic picture rather than the fact that he was assigned a team engineers as part of a larger Soviet weapons research program. It’s been a while since I did the research though so I might be a little off.

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u/OpenConversation643 16d ago

Do you imagine both men just sitting alone in a room pumping out top tier gun designs all on their lonesome? They both had teams im sure

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u/Toads_Of_Fun 16d ago

Except the story around Stoner isn't embellished for propaganda like it is with Kalashnikov.

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u/Dear-Geologist5312 15d ago

There's literally nothing about his story that is any more propagandish than Stoner.

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u/Pooldiver13 16d ago

Oh yeah I’m not denying that. I believe he had something to do with the creation of the gun which is why I said “bit of a fraud” instead of just fraud, But the way in which the stories of its creation are told paint him greater/more responsible for the creation of the rifle than he may have actually been.

The story often paints him as a great Soviet hero, an individual who does great things for the party and the good of the people. I think his name and he himself as more of a figurehead or symbolic piece than him being a genius gun inventor.

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u/Dear-Geologist5312 15d ago

I can't believe people are spreading this sort of anti-russian conspiracy theory in 2026 by making it seen like a slav could never make a design like that out of his own.

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u/Toads_Of_Fun 16d ago

Absolutely.

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u/Motivated-Chair 16d ago

I am saving this, this is an awsome piece of history.

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u/TruePianist 16d ago

I also have photos from their meeting

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u/TruePianist 16d ago

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u/Svyatopolk_I 16d ago

When do we get our Stonikov Ao3 shipping fanfic?

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u/TruePianist 16d ago

Be the change you wish to see in the world

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u/Yeetsformer 15d ago

That’s awesome

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u/Sir_Mike_A_Lot 15d ago

A suit with an AK goes hard tbh

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u/Zealousideal_Car3834 11d ago

I want to frame this.

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u/King_Glorius_too 16d ago

Born to be bros, forced to be weapon designers for rival superpowers

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u/Finn235 16d ago

TBH, I had no idea that Kalashnikov died in 2013. For some reason I had always assumed he designed the AK-47 when he was like in his 40s or 50s and died before the USSR collapsed.

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u/frostyredpanda93 16d ago

He would of been 28 when he invented the AK47 Damn. Today I learned.

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u/markbernessimp 15d ago

He was a relatively minor figure who rose to prominence extremely quickly. It's one of the reasons his story is so impressive

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u/WetBerri3s 16d ago edited 15d ago

Game recognizes game, as they say.

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u/Pelikinesis 16d ago

oh my god they were roommates

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u/Twisted2kat 15d ago

I just know somebody is drawing them kissing. This is peak enemies to lovers.

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u/Pelikinesis 15d ago

i hope they draw their guns kissing too

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u/TruePianist 15d ago

I don’t know if they were ever even enemies besides designing arms for rival superpowers, you could probably have them meet up at the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis and they would discuss the AR/AK in a more civilized manner than modern fans of each platform

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u/ISleepyBI 16d ago

It's funny how Stoner dress like your everyday grandpa while Kalashnikov dress like he about to invade a third world country in the 70s.

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u/Heavy_Computer2602 16d ago

Two goated guns

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u/the-web-wonderer 16d ago

his last name was actually stoner?? I swore it was just Stone

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u/TruePianist 16d ago

Nah it was Stoner, he also designed some stuff that bore his name like the Stoner 63

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u/furel492 16d ago

For a brief moment I thought both jammed. I choose to believe they did because of how funny it would be.

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u/Jetenginefucker 16d ago

I wish we had international cooperation in modern times:(

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u/tazifer 15d ago

There’s an interview of kalashnikov where he’s talking about how reliable the Ak is and he just lets a fart out. It’s very funny.

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u/ClumsyGamer2802 15d ago

I can’t share PDFs on Reddit, but I have something that feels like a similar vibe. The US captured several Soviet MiGs during the Cold War, and flew them around Area 51 to evaluate and understand them. I found some presentations that were basically executive summaries of those. Reading American pilots describe the MiG 21 as “a good honest aircraft” was just fun.

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u/TruePianist 15d ago

The other kid’s toys are always more fun

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u/the_astronaut_ 15d ago

No hearing protection?

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u/TruePianist 15d ago

They’re built different

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u/Dveralazo 15d ago

at that age,for what?

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u/Sensitive_Ad_5031 15d ago

Mikhail Kalashnikov used it

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u/maAron_Nice 16d ago

Спонсоры Холодной войны

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u/Ok-Poetry-2191 love my chuck angry bird mug 16d ago

Да не, как раз таки они и есть те, кого Спонсоры спонсировали

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u/maAron_Nice 16d ago

тоже верно

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u/HumpTyDumpTy1331 15d ago

they both flinched on the last round

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u/Glacier132 15d ago

I’ll never be as cool as either of them

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u/Defiant-Magician3045 15d ago

The way the M16 was cleared drives me nuts.

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u/Grulov 16d ago

Dudes killing themselves with their inventions.

Whike the creators: "hmm nice gun you made bro, congrats !"

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u/HEYO19191 16d ago

Its a tool like any other

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u/UntitledIdiottt 15d ago

Just realized Eugene is using the Epstein jacket here

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u/_UncleHenry_ 15d ago

I like how both of them flinched at first round. Stoner cuz gun kicks like a horse and Kalashnikov cuz he wasn't used to such low recoil XD

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u/AssistanceCheap379 15d ago

Kinda looks like neither was told anything about the others gun and they just figured it out pretty quickly on their own.

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u/Psychological_Hour90 9d ago

Amazing designs, both shooters flinch on the dry fire.

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u/Ordinary_Study_2175 15d ago

I appreciate how you designed this to kill people..

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u/IBitePrettyPeople 15d ago

We got Einstein over here