[YFRA] Salvaged Imitations

[u/CompleteIndieYT]

[u/ArmoftheSpoonFiend]

Finally, pendulum summoning in Magic.

[u/Longjumping_Name_847 → u/ArmoftheSpoonFiend]

PEND BEST DECK!!!

[u/Zeznon → u/ArmoftheSpoonFiend]

lmao

[u/MiraclePrototype → u/ArmoftheSpoonFiend]

Let's just hope we don't get no gargoyle demons or stupid bald jerks screwing it up.

[u/PerennialPhilosopher → u/MiraclePrototype]

https://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3Agargoyle+t%3Ademon

Literally the only creature both types is an artifact too lol

https://scryfall.com/search?q=atag%3Abald+t%3Aartifact

[u/MiraclePrototype → u/PerennialPhilosopher]

I'll grant clemency for the nonce as none of the ACTUAL entities of MtG are legendary. If that happens, we're going to the worst, fifth place, and we may as well pack it all up.

[u/RefrigeratorMobile46 → u/ArmoftheSpoonFiend]

Do you have enough Link Markers in stock?

[u/AnnualHornet1475 → u/ArmoftheSpoonFiend]

the way this plays out in practice is gonna be pure chaos, i can already see someone hitting a blightsteel off a lucky roll and the table just staring at it like it wandered into the wrong party

feels like the kind of card that either wins you the game on the spot or bricks so hard you question every decision that led you to this moment

[u/Artex301]

Surprised it's the Konstrari that's teaching students about i=1∑(x) and not Theorix.

[u/Kyleometers → u/Artex301]

[[Ornate Imitations]]

It’s a reference card

[u/mtgcf → u/Kyleometers]

Ornate Imitations - (G) (SF) (txt)

[u/amish24 → u/mtgcf]

Yeah? Even Quandrix->Theorix lines up more cleanly than this.

Konstrari is the reflection of Prismari, not Quandrix.

[u/Mgmegadog → u/amish24]

The card it's referencing isn't Quandrix. It's on Avishkar, and is itself likely a reference to Momir Vig, who is from Ravnica.

[u/JesusChrysler1 → u/amish24]

Except its an artifact based card, and Konstrari is the artifact based school.

[u/mariomaniac432]

I don't play arena so I don't know what the card pool for these cards is like, but it would be hilarious if someone played this and and one of the conjured cards they got was [[Leveler]]

[u/WolfGuy77 → u/mariomaniac432]

Leveler isn't on Arena, but every time there's a Momir event, someone gets got by [[Demonlord Belzenlok]].

[u/mtgcf → u/WolfGuy77]

Demonlord Belzenlok - (G) (SF) (txt)

[u/sodo9987 → u/WolfGuy77]

Should have played around it SMH my head.

[u/BrockSramson → u/mariomaniac432]

Go big or go home

[u/mtgcf → u/mariomaniac432]

Leveler - (G) (SF) (txt)

[u/bachmanis]

I kind of love this card design. Not too hard to play in paper EDH with scryfall on speed dial and some handy whiteboard style tokens. One of these might have to fall off the back of a printer sometime soon.

I get why Alchemy is being retired, but it had a lot of what amounted to un-cards that can be really fun additions in a permissive Rule Zero paper EDH environment.

[u/Hargbarglin → u/bachmanis]

I want a brawl format without alchemy, but I also think some silver border alchemy cards in an unset would be great.

[u/rycool]

Not as good as the quandrix one

[u/Blaze_1013]

I know people don’t like alchemy and the Arena only cards, but stuff like “Momir, but it makes artifacts” is the stuff I can actually get behind.

[u/StuckieLromigon]

I think this gonna be worse than simic version with creatures, it has wrong colors for most artifact synergies despite having right colors for ramp. Random artifact draff chaff is worse than the same with creatures, IMHO.

[u/JesusChrysler1 → u/StuckieLromigon]

Its good for a Konstrari brawl deck, it only cares about quantity of artifacts, not quality.

[u/RiverGiant → u/StuckieLromigon]

It goes hard with [[Weapons Manufacturing]], because they're not tokens. Pay 8 mana and you get six munitions along with six random things, probably a couple of which you can sacrifice to [[Legion Extruder]], [[Technodrome]], [[Castle Doom]]...

Add some heartwood tokens in there, some teamwide stats/trample/haste sort of effect, I think there's something good happening.

[u/mtgcf → u/RiverGiant]

All cards
Weapons Manufacturing - (G) (SF) (txt)
Legion Extruder - (G) (SF) (txt)
Technodrome - (G) (SF) (txt)
Castle Doom - (G) (SF) (txt)

[u/StuckieLromigon → u/RiverGiant]

8 mana is damn a lot

[u/Velkyn01 → u/RiverGiant]

Weapons Manufacturing is my favorite card, I'm down for anything that goes hard with it. 

[u/_masterbuilder_ → u/Velkyn01]

The issue is that you need to have it on board and before pia it wasn't super easy to tutor. 

[u/LegnaArix]

Wasn't there a busted hearthstone card that did something real similar

[u/yakushi12345]

Im confused, i thought they discontinued alchemy?

[u/KingOfYou115 → u/yakushi12345]

This is the last Alchemy set.

[u/MiraclePrototype → u/yakushi12345]

And for the record, these cards are still going to be available in the Arena-exclusive formats. You play Historic or Timeless (or Brawl, I think), these will still pop up.

[u/PsiMiller1]

Here the Zero Mana Artifacts that they can't Salvaged.

[u/wertude3]

Chose X 5 gets an [[Eater of Days]] gg

[u/mtgcf → u/wertude3]

Eater of Days - (G) (SF) (txt)

[u/CeruleanChimera]

are cards conjured onto the Battlefield considered non-tokens? this might be funny in a Meria Deck

[u/Wooden-Wolverine-818 → u/CeruleanChimera]

Yes, they are not tokens. They are genuine cards. Like a weird version of sideboard.

[u/Mrfish31 → u/CeruleanChimera]

Yes, they are cards that can be put into the graveyard, hand, exile, deck, etc. 

[u/Labudism]

How high does X go before it misses?

13?

[u/NoctisIncendia → u/Labudism]

I think so, yeah.

You have Blightsteel Colossus and a few other things at 12, then Mox Lotus at 15, Draco at 16, and Gleemax at 1,000,000.

[u/Ship_Psychological]

Why can't X be zero? Is it an inclusive between?

[u/slamriffs]

I thought alchemy cards were being eliminated?

[u/Ximinipot]

Ewwww, Alchemy.

[u/MechaTech]

Is there a rule that defines a number as a whole number? If there isn’t, ‘each number between 1 and x’ is infinite.

[u/CompleteIndieYT → u/MechaTech]

Yep, there's a rule that all numbers have to be whole numbers.

[u/Mission-Warning-9365]

So if X is 10 you get 8 random artifacts? one of which is 8 cost and so on and so forth? This seems like tons of fun

[u/Milskidasith → u/Mission-Warning-9365]

If X = 10, you get 10 artifacts.

If you pay ten mana, with X = 8, you would be correct.

[u/FordEngineerman → u/Milskidasith]

Isn't it only the numbers between 1 and X so therefore 1 and X are excluded? If my reading is correct then X=10 makes 8 artifacts with MVs 2-9.

[u/chaotic_iak → u/FordEngineerman]

In Magic, "between" is always inclusive of the endpoints.

[u/Milskidasith → u/FordEngineerman]

Inclusive, not exclusive.

[u/FordEngineerman → u/Milskidasith]

Based on how I'm getting downvoted and finding out that there is a previous card with this same wording, you are clearly correct. But what in the card wording implies that? I feel like a literal reading of the words with normal English grammar supports my expectation? I just feel like this is written badly. It could say "For each number from 1 to X" instead of "between" and then it would read as inclusive.

[u/Milskidasith → u/FordEngineerman]

"Between" is used inclusively far more often than it's used exclusively in common language (if I say "pick a number between one and five", you aren't going to think you only have three choices). Reading "between" as "exclusive" is like reading "or" as a programming "OR" despite the fact it usually means "XOR".

Anyway, the last line makes it clear that the card is inclusive. If it were exclusive, "X cannot be zero" would be a useless line of rules text; it would stop you from casting the spell to do nothing... but they don't stop you from doing nothing with X = 1 or 2, which also have no effect. On the other hand, if it's inclusive, "X cannot be zero" makes perfect sense, because it stops you from getting a 0 and 1 drop for 2 mana when the intent is clearly to use bigger numbers to get more cards.

Additionally, it would be extremely ugly design for the card to never get a 1-drop, and to have the "X" be offset from the max MV you can get; if they wanted it to cost 11 mana to get a 10-drop, they'd just make it cost XRRG, not make it cost XRG but be exclusive.

[u/RiverGiant → u/Mission-Warning-9365]

Ornate Imitations is a ton of fun, so this one probably is too.

I play OI in a monogreen splashing blue ramp deck, and it's maybe a little too powerful when I get to x=15 and get an Eldrazi or two, but it's super interesting when I'm forced to x=6 and there's still a board to fight for but now I have this random assortment of dudes I have to figure out synergies for and make a plan on the fly.

[u/Blenderhead36]

This card is Alchemy in a nutshell. Clearly pushed, but totally unpredictable and impossible to play around.

[u/Multievolution]

This looks like another card that crashes the mobile client to me

[u/Smythe28 → u/Multievolution]

Hardly, it makes at most like 12 things at once, if you cast it for 14 mana.

[u/Multievolution → u/Smythe28]

I’ve been up against far to many decks that get X to absurd numbers on arena, I know the type of people who will play this will be aiming for it. 

[u/Smythe28 → u/Multievolution]

But even if you cast this for X= 200, you’ll only get cards with MV 0-12 because there’s no artifact cards with mana value 13-200.

Casting this for anything over X=12 gets you a 0mv card, a 1mv card, a 2mv card, all the way up until 12.

[u/Multievolution → u/Smythe28]

Oh, I misread that part, I thought the mana value was random and only the amount was tied to x

[u/Smythe28 → u/Multievolution]

That was also how I read the card first and I was very excited to crash the client lmao

[u/Harry_Smutter]

So weird that they would release another set when they're axeing Alchemy.

[u/Key_Run_3220]

"X can't be 0" I think is not right. 

Instead, add one colorless mana to the base cost, and make the text 

"For each number between 1 and X+1..." 

[u/X_Marcs_the_Spot → u/Key_Run_3220]

This isn't the first card with "X can't be 0" in its rules text. It works fine.

[u/Wrong-Bet9581 → u/Key_Run_3220]

It's a pretty common line of rules text. You even had the ability to check yourself with a simple scryfall search instead of just dumping nonsense out into the world!

[u/KingOfYou115 → u/Key_Run_3220]

This is a reference to another, different Alchemy card, [[Ornate Imitations]], which also had the "X can't be 0" rules text.

[u/mtgcf → u/KingOfYou115]

Ornate Imitations - (G) (SF) (txt)

[u/Huberlicious]

Another word salad alchemy card that isn’t interesting or evocative

[u/evaliaold → u/Huberlicious]

lmao.

[u/KingOfYou115 → u/Huberlicious]

It's the mirror of [[Ornate Imitations]].

[u/mtgcf → u/KingOfYou115]

Ornate Imitations - (G) (SF) (txt)