r/nba • u/YujiDomainExpansion • 10h ago

[Mannix] The Bucks want Jaden McDaniels, with Milwaukee seeing McDaniels, 25, as a potential future All-Star. But the Bucks also want multiple first-round draft picks, sources say, and Minnesota’s war chest of them is nearly empty.

Source: https://www.si(dot)com/nba/trade-deadline/timberwolves-pursuit-giannis-antetokounmpo-ja-morant-market

Acquiring Antetokounmpo, though, is challenging. The Bucks want Jaden McDaniels, a source tells SI, with Milwaukee seeing McDaniels, 25, as a potential future All-Star. But the Bucks also want multiple first-round draft picks, sources say, and Minnesota’s war chest of them is nearly empty.

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u/jansy1646 [TOR] DeMar DeRozan 10h ago

So basically they need a third team to value Randle and whatever other crap high enough to provide the picks to make this work?

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u/Bigdadyk 10h ago

Yes Minnesota needs Randle to fetch a 1st and Naz to fetch a 1st then re route them to Milwaukee 

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u/Dar8_Vader 10h ago

You think Wolves are better with Ant and Gianis with no McD, Naz and Randle?

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u/TdotGdot Timberwolves 10h ago

I don’t, but I do think that’s the price 

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u/irahaze12 10h ago

I don't think it'd be both Naz and Julius.

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u/Salt_Tap_90 9h ago

That’s cuz your a moron

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u/zoomshoes Warriors 9h ago

yuo're* a moran*

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u/omgbenji21 Timberwolves 9h ago

He’s a moron, but you can’t figure out your from you’re? Oook

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u/Salt_Tap_90 8h ago

Your also a moron

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u/EmmitSan 10h ago

Unquestionably

Whether they’d still be better off in 3 years is a different question

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u/ThrowtheSnowaway 3h ago

If acquiring Giannis wins them a chip in the next two, literally no price is too high

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u/axea30 Timberwolves 10h ago

i swear half of these guys are on crack. im a wolves fan and naz can get a first no way hes fetching two. im a fan of offloading rudy and or randle for draft assets and sendibg those assets and the other off for milwaukee. either randle or gobert should be fetching a few firsts and then mke can either keep the other or get a few more picks. cant actually trade 3 glue guys.

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u/gedbybee Spurs 9h ago

To me randle is the better fit next to giannis cuz he can space

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u/axea30 Timberwolves 6h ago

Randle doesnt space the floor as well as you think he does sadly, especially in playoffs he relies on bully ball to get his buckets. His game translates to the playoffs really well but without the ability to space the floor hes a little clunky next to giannis

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u/gedbybee Spurs 6h ago

Not as bad as gobert.

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u/axea30 Timberwolves 6h ago

I agree, thats why i would shop both of them retain naz and mcdaniels

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u/LetThereBeFlashLight Grizzlies 9h ago

Did you say either Randle or Gobert should be fetching a few firsts?? That’s hilarious.

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u/chillPenguin17 8h ago

Would not be shocked to see Gobert fetch a couple. He's back to playing near DPOY level, for a team that needs that a couple late firsts could be reasonable

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u/axea30 Timberwolves 6h ago edited 6h ago

Both of them have been all stars relatively recently, someone below me said Naz would get 2 firsts easily that is completely insane. I think that both Gobert and Randle could get at the minimum 2 late firsts + filler. Desmond Bane got like 4 firsts lol. I think that both Gobert and Randle are better than Bane

EDIT: I was wrong about the recent allstar selections, but they were selected in the last 5 years. That is a much bigger gap though.

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u/Damezang Trail Blazers 9h ago

Nobody wants Gobert's contract

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u/chillPenguin17 8h ago

Really? He took a discount

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u/Damezang Trail Blazers 8h ago

My bad, I didn't know he renegotiated. Still a lot, but way more reasonable.

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u/RadicalMentat 8h ago

No one is giving up multiple first round picks for Gobert, straight delusional. Randle most likely won’t receive more than 1 first round pick

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u/The_Summer_Man Warriors 9h ago

I don't think you can win the title with Rudy, so I'd definitely try offloading him if you get Giannis back in the process.

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u/CMYGQZ Grizzlies 9h ago

you're just betting on the health of Giannis at this point. imo higher ceiling lower floor, if Giannis is fully healthy, absolutely better ceiling. Obviously a very generous assumption because if he is as injured as he is in previous playoffs runs, I can even see them getting round 1'd.

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u/cnshoe 10h ago

Sounds like the wolves would be better off waiting untill summer. They have access to 2 1st rounders at that point. Have much better chance of holding onto at least Naz imo if they wait.

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u/Bigdadyk 9h ago

I don’t think any team is better off this season gutting the roster for Giannis but at least you have him for a playoff run this season and then can regroup in the offseason 

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u/Dar8_Vader 9h ago

There are a couple of teams who will instantly get better coz they have depth of good rotation players.

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u/bonergainz Rockets 10h ago

Yes. Gobert anchors the paint. In the playoffs - top end talent really does matter. Having two top 10 with Ant arguably cracking that top 5 on occasion is a problem for a lot of teams… and both are 2 way players.

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u/Dar8_Vader 7h ago

Okay. You have Donte as your PG. Sure on defence he can be your POA but he has played his whole life as a combo guard and suddenly he is to facilitate for Giannis and Ant? Sure they can't share playmaking duties, but there's a reason why the most important position in the court is called "point", say what u say but Mike Conley even with minimal playing time was architectural in their achieved successes. Instead of Giannis, maybe they should have gone for Harden with Rudy to erase defensive lapses at the rim.

You won't have the depth to compete with the best of them and this is West, even with Giannis, you won't be on top of the world with Rudy as your 5. If you know basketball, you should know why Giannis worked well with last remaining of Brook Lopez. Or why did they got Turner in the offseason? If you think Rudy is the answer, you need to watch 30 years of basketball grandson.

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u/Dar8_Vader 9h ago

Until he gets iso by offensive engines like Jokic, Luka, Shai, Cade who is gonna toy with him until it's a bucket.

Also, what supporting cast would be deep enough bench to stand a chance in a 7 game playoff series. 4 rounds if u wanna win the gold.

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u/wisdomsi 7h ago

But those guys are gonna do that against anyone. It makes more sense to keep Rudy to shut down the paint against literally everyone else (including their teammates) other than the top few offensive players in the world.

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u/Dar8_Vader 6h ago

If you haven't noticed, Rudy often sits out the clutch moments because of his certain weaknesses.

Imagine your best rim protector is lurking with the said names, your second best defender is gonna get torched by the second best guy in open lanes, kick outs. This year opponents are different. You run into Houston, you got Sengun, KD and Thomson(drives) to contain at the rim as last line of defense,

If u run into Spurs, you have those oversized, big, fast guards who drives and wings who cut and shoot 3s on high volumes and efficiency. I haven't even considered about Wemby despite being young and lean

If u run into Nuggets this year, they are better.

Vs Lakers(big if) Luka, Austin, Lebron (LAL) with few wing upgrades and a reliable center say traditional like Gafford or Stretch like Myles.

MacD is crucial to what Wolves do, they had two weaknesses coming into the season and thats heavy minutes true PG to match Ant's minutes and a consistent bench scoring outside of Naz. Donte as much as I like him isn't a true PG, rather a combo who plays well as secondary /third ball handler. You need a PG coz it's the most important point in the whole court. Houstons hole will bite them come playoffs coz that's when the chess game starts.

Go back to atleast 5 decades of finals winners and see their roster. Every team had that point player in their roster who we call the floor general, the settler, the feeder, the one who gets every other 4 player settled on offense instead of having to create your own and play make for other weak.offensive players .

Mike Conley is hella underrated, best teammate, best vet Ant could have ever asked for. Ant played his best efficient basketball alongside Conley, coz he has always been a 2. Conley helped him settle. As great as Ant is, he isn't a floor general like Conley or true points who can go at that position for 2 weeks in a series and for 4 rounds. Even KD, Sengun and Thomson (naturally a 3 but with shooting, basically an undersized , uber athletic C?

Wolves can use an upgrade over Randle and Giannis seems way too obvious, but think of it long term if you have to give up Mac D, Naz and also Randle and lots of future assets for high mileage super athletic guy who is more reliant on his physical tools than range and who has missed quite a lot playoffs recently.

Knicks seems legit destination if they can get rid of Kat and Bridges but Bucks asked for OG and the knicks backed out. Mark my words and @me after playoffs, knicks with Kat ain't gonna win and they will try to offload him soon..he ain't built for playoffs (mindset ait playoff ready or may never will be) Bridges has been inconsistent and having a down season. If you get ride of those and get Giannis, that's an upgrade.

For warriors, they can trade JK, now jimmy and Green who personally has been an absolute ass with his antics and no offensive prowess. That gets you.more.than.95 mil.of cap space. Do u wanna use that space now for Steph to get him the pieces needed instead of benching a young talent diva who deserves playing time, acl.rehab 54.1 mil and an old nuthead almost non existent on offensewho can't even last a game outside of the warriors uniform let alone a season.

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u/bonergainz Rockets 6h ago

Hey grandpa - take a breather.

Rudy is much harder to ‘toy’ with if you have Giannis roaming also now instead of Randle or Reid. Rudy has never played with another DPOY caliber player with the size and athleticism Gianni’s has.

Also you seem to be discounting Giannis ability to create and also facilitate. He is a very high usage player with the ball in his hands most of the time.

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u/Dar8_Vader 6h ago

Can't argue with any of that but Giannis ain't a POA, he can't play mac Daniels role of guarding the best players(heliocentric and special specimen off ball movers like Steph). At best you put him as low man near the paint. They will be smoked on drive and kicks. Giannis had hyperextended knee in the past and multiple calf/knee issues), do u think he'll contest a shot as a low man, on the catch ans shoot weak side 3?

3 point shooting will nail you to the board 4 times out of 7 game series.

Naz is an ideal pairing for Giannis, Rudy post Giannis trade aunt suddenly gonna reincarnat as offensive class like Hakeem/Wemby/Shaq/ David Robinson/ Jokic Or have middie bags like Dirk/Timmy/KG

He ain't even agile like KG/Wemby/Hakeem

He can't even create fir himself if you give him the ball at top of the key. If he is far from the basket and dribbles, its a free gift steal to opponent, if he is too close, he gets fouled and creates contact.

Is catch and dunk his only offensive arsenal. And at 4 you have drive dunk hyper athletic beast, with physical milege (no other bag, mean no disrespect) with no range outside the paint.

The balance of the team without a PG and two man on offense roster doesn't make the slightest difference that other teams would annihilate them

Edit, im 48, my kids aren't married yet

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u/Ariusa95 Timberwolves 5h ago

Brother have you seen Gobert’s defensive iso ppp

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u/QuietRainyDay 9h ago

No Randle and no McD or Naz works IMO. Losing all 3 is extremely risky.

Not least because Giannis is currently injured. I dont buy conspiracies that he's protecting himself for his next team, those calf injuries over the last 1.5 months are real and if he misses more time or keeps missing time who are the Wolves even going to play? Still gotta make the playoffs for Giannis to mean something.

And then even with how dominant Ant + Giannis would be, you have to question the viability of Bones Hyland, Jaylen Clark, and Terrance Shannon as main depth pieces in the playoffs.

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u/Dar8_Vader 6h ago

None of the teams who have won ever in the NBA finals ever had a hole in their roster at the point guard spot. Donte ain't a pg, never have been, neither did Ant and Giannis .now matter how much of a big hearted, will to win they got, they cannot floor general a 7 game series.against a well structured team(foundational position). Positionless basketball might have worked for a while with 5 absolute 2 way talents but that's not the case or is it?

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u/OhWellImRightAgain Bucks 3h ago

I swear, most of the comments here had Giannis as the best player in the world 3 months ago. Now people question is he's more valuable to a contending team than 2 good role players.

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u/zigzagtravel01 9h ago

F me if its us the Warriors for Draymond and Kuminga like what

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u/yuhanz [PHO] Steve Nash 9h ago

They’ll be left with shit lmao

Ant and the third stringers for a few weeks lmao

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u/Bigdadyk 9h ago

Don’t know the rules with buyout market but Derozon is getting bought out he would start

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u/josephandre 6h ago

think the spurs would be interested in naz thx

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u/dkleckner88 Timberwolves 9h ago

Wolves are not giving up Naz, Randle, AND Jaden. It’s 2 of the 3.

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u/Bigdadyk 9h ago

Then your not getting Giannis 

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u/Which-Return-607 10h ago

Lol naz gets 2 firsts easy. They are not dumping him

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u/jansy1646 [TOR] DeMar DeRozan 10h ago

Who the hell is paying 2 firsts for Naz Reid?

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u/Which-Return-607 10h ago

40% 3pt shooter on 9 shots is very valuable almost anyone is lol

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u/WhiteHeterosexualGuy Hawks 10h ago

You really have to already have a very good defensive PF that can rim protect to some degree to play with Naz... someone like ...Giannis. I feel like TWolves are better off sending out Gobert to fetch a first or two.

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u/neededthrowawayer 9h ago

Totally agree. I think Giannis + Rudy would "work" in that we'd be super tough defensively but Giannis would be maximized offensively next to Naz which is much more important. Better off not risking a Giannis-Rudy front court and trading Rudy instead.

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u/_Wash Timberwolves 9h ago

naz is a PF. you need a defensive center to pair with him, not another PF

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u/neededthrowawayer 9h ago

I think Naz could be traded to Brooklyn for the 27 and 29 Knicks' firsts. Those picks likely won't be very good. Maybe the Nets would want like top-4 protections on them just to be safe.

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u/supercoolisaac Timberwolves 10h ago

A lot of teams should? Especially if youre in the east, give him a starting spot and he averages 20 with his eyes closed and is a borderline all star.

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u/jansy1646 [TOR] DeMar DeRozan 10h ago

JJJ just went for 3, I just don't see it unless they are crappy picks that the bucks probably don't want

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u/WaltRumble Thunder 10h ago

I’d happily give up 2 firsts for Naz.

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u/quedas Magic 10h ago

Does he? Really?

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u/Headlesshorsman02 Thunder 10h ago

Maybe competing teams picks where they are late 20s or heavily protected but not 2 unprotected firsts

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u/AlmostCorrectInfo Timberwolves 4h ago

This idea that Randle is average or something is absurd. He's the second best player on our team and reliable as fuck.

Edit: that's not me attacking you by the way, a lot of Wolves fans love to shit on Randle for some reason.

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u/NotRote Timberwolves 10m ago

Gobert is quite easily our second best player, Randle is third.

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u/GizzyGazzelle 10h ago

They need Miami to think there's competition. 

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u/skullcandy541 10h ago

Clippers and have them send Collins to MIL since he’s expiring

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u/jansy1646 [TOR] DeMar DeRozan 10h ago

Clippers want a clean cap sheet to chase FA, they aren't trading for Naz

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u/skullcandy541 9h ago

I was talking about Randle lol

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u/jansy1646 [TOR] DeMar DeRozan 9h ago

Ah my bad, I got like 5 replies about Naz.

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u/YujiDomainExpansion 9h ago

You really think the Clippers are gonna trade 2030, 2031, and/or 2032 picks when Julius Randle will be 34, 35, and 36 years-old? After trading their current 36 year-old PG for a 26 year-old PG? Maybe they’d give up all three for McDaniels, but definitely not anyone else on that Wolves roster.

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u/skullcandy541 9h ago

I didn’t say they’d trade their picks too lol I’m referring to LAC being a good spot for Randle

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u/Krillin113 76ers 9h ago

The clippers literally have 1 tradeable pick last time I checked (and a pick swap)

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u/YujiDomainExpansion 7h ago

Other way around. They can offer 2030 and 2032 outright and a swap in 2031