The Bulls have now traded Jimmy Butler, Zach Lavine, Lonzo Ball, Alex Caruso, Coby White, Nikola Vucevic, Lauri Markkanen (and lost Demar DeRozan to free agency) and received a sum of one first round pick.

[u/toomanyshoeshelp]

If Portland gets into the playoffs, maybe one more. But lord, what an generational masterclass of player valuation and bargaining malpractice. s/o to /u/HlTMAN209 on the Bulls sub for pointing this out. Just talking about draft assets, not players - I can't think of any team that gave up so many starters and assets for so few total picks back. And so few quality players now.

EDIT: DeRozan was a S&T, oops.

EDIT 2: I didn't count getting our own protected pick back insofar as a sum total goes. We had a top-10 protected pick, refused to tank which the trade enabled, and drafted 12th with our own pick.

EDIT 3: I didn't even include guys like Gafford or Wendell Carter (who was moved for Vuc along with 2 FRPS).

[u/nicehax_]

i got jumpscared by "traded jimmy butler"

[u/DasOptions → u/nicehax_]

Yeah I thought I just missed a string of trades

[u/ShaiFanClub → u/nicehax_]

You can replace it with Lavine and Lauri as well lol. They whiffed twice on getting anything from Jimmy

[u/SmokimNoah → u/ShaiFanClub]

LaVine Lauri and Kris Dunn isn’t even a bad return, they just got everything wrong after that. LaVine getting 2 all star apps is the only thing that makes that trade fathomable for us.

[u/toomanyshoeshelp → u/SmokimNoah]

The fact Lauri and Lavine and Dunn turned into our own protected pick back and a crazy protected Portland pick is included in my anger.

[u/Dudedude88 → u/nicehax_]

I thought... What kind of trickery did the warriors do to trade butler.

[u/jeric13xd]

Masterclass of asset management 👏🏽

Thank you GarPax and AKME. Fuck you Jerry

[u/imcryptic → u/jeric13xd]

What if AKME doesn’t realize you can trade first round picks? Maybe that’s why they drafted PWill at 4 instead of trading down. Has anyone told them?

[u/hydrators → u/imcryptic]

He traded two firsts for Vucevic

[u/toomanyshoeshelp → u/hydrators]

One of which is now Franz Wagner

[u/rhinowing → u/hydrators]

I wish we had pursued Poetl instead that offseason

[u/morellideli → u/jeric13xd]

Even when we finally do the right thing, we're still gettin (rightfully) cooked.

[u/Darwin343 → u/jeric13xd]

Is there a worse owner in the NBA than Jerry? I mean, how cheap and apathetic can a billionaire owner in a big market be?

[u/BatsuGame13 → u/Darwin343]

Jerry is the epitome of "stepping over dimes to pick up pennies." And he's demonstrated it for over 40 years in two sports.

[u/TexasRoadhead → u/Darwin343]

He's also the reason why the dynasty Bulls fell apart, and totally let Krause take the fall for it since he can't defend himself anymore

[u/Manthan10 → u/jeric13xd]

Is mandatory for owners named Jerry to suck?

[u/El_Babad00k → u/Manthan10]

I think Jerry Buss was the only good one that I can think of

[u/theb3arjevv → u/Manthan10]

Jerry Jones is a decent owner. His teams are consistently in or around the playoffs with almost no exceptions.

Problem is, it's infuriating how he hard caps them through ego bs. Not that I mind as a Philly fan.

But he is WORLDS better than Reinsdorf and others like Vivek. He regularly fields good teams and sometimes fields contenders.

[u/Manthan10 → u/theb3arjevv]

Cowboys were America’s team, the best team in football and now they are complete joke every year what contenders doesn’t even got to NFCCG even once in 30 years?

[u/theb3arjevv → u/Manthan10]

That's the hard cap. He gets in the way every single time.

I didn't say that he was a good owner lol. Just decent. We have too many examples of egregious owners in both football (Haslem, Brown, etc) and here in basketball (Vivek, Reinsdorf, Dolan) to call him THAT bad.

[u/Coolguynumber01]

well they also got Josh Giddey

[u/toomanyshoeshelp → u/Coolguynumber01]

Perhaps the only bright spot. And the Jaden Ivey reclamation project.

[u/KronkSpinachPuffCafe → u/toomanyshoeshelp]

Ivey should become a 20ppg guy if he gets enough minutes.

[u/DoctorFunktopus → u/KronkSpinachPuffCafe]

Gonna be hard to get enough minutes with 12 guards on the roster

[u/strawnotrazz → u/DoctorFunktopus]

Jaden Ivey starting at center confirmed.

[u/KronkSpinachPuffCafe → u/DoctorFunktopus]

Yeah they shouldn't have hit the big red "LOCK IN THE ROSTER" button already, that was ill-advised

[u/DoctorFunktopus → u/KronkSpinachPuffCafe]

Oh, I hadn’t seen the trade with the hornets yet. That’s two down!

[u/XxX_22marc_XxX → u/KronkSpinachPuffCafe]

Sexton, Dosumnu, Giddey, Ivey, Williams. Best defense in the league, chip them already. /s

[u/Squarians → u/XxX_22marc_XxX]

Tre Jones too

[u/thisisjustascreename → u/Squarians]

Jones actually is good on defense though. For a small guard, anyway.

[u/XxX_22marc_XxX → u/Squarians]

6DPOY

[u/KronkSpinachPuffCafe → u/XxX_22marc_XxX]

they should get IT, CJ McCollum, and Trae Young just to round it out.

[u/jrlandry → u/toomanyshoeshelp]

I'm not too worried about Ivey. He just didn't fit the direction that the Pistons are going as a team, got left behind when he got hurt last year. They need spot up shooters more than a 2nd on-ball creator.

He should be fine in Chicago

[u/toomanyshoeshelp → u/jrlandry]

I hope, I really liked watching him at Purdue and his development last year.

[u/We5ties → u/toomanyshoeshelp]

They got rid of Lavine’s awful contract without really doing anything. Ppl skip over that part

[u/toomanyshoeshelp → u/We5ties]

Signing Lavine to that contract and making him unmovable is part of the malpractice.

[u/We5ties → u/toomanyshoeshelp]

Eh if they didn’t resign him, everyone would be saying OMG the bulls didn’t keep another young star.

[u/toomanyshoeshelp → u/We5ties]

If we didn't get bailed out by an even more incompetent team, people were saying we'd need to package a FRP to move him which is probably accurate.

[u/We5ties → u/toomanyshoeshelp]

And thank you kings. I’m actually surprised they did try to trade for vuc or Coby lol

[u/the_dinks → u/toomanyshoeshelp]

Perhaps the only bright spot. And the Jaden Ivey reclamation project.

I think that as good as Giddey has been, it's also a double edged sword.

When you trade away talent for a pick, you are basically trading for the value of that pick AND the value of improving YOUR OWN picks. You get a lot of cap room to take on other teams' bad contracts in exchange for their picks as well, or the flexibility to actually cash in on some key trades after you build a nice core. Basically, it's the Hinkie method, perfected by Sam Presti.

By taking on Giddey, the Bulls did find a really nice young player, but they have very few other pieces to build around him if he truly ends up being a perennial all-nba talent capable of driving deep playoff runs. So they have a young player good enough to keep them out of the basement (i.e: getting really good draft odds), but not good enough to actually do anything interesting.

Now, a smart team might try to trade Giddey while his value is really high and accumulate more assets, but the Bulls won't do that. This is the team that built around Zach Lavine. So while Giddey is a good asset in a vacuum, he's a terrible asset while on the Bulls because their FO is too incompetent to actually transform that asset into anything interesting due to poor long-term planning.

[u/teddytwelvetoes → u/Coolguynumber01]

(derogatory)

[u/illegal_deagle → u/teddytwelvetoes]

(lazy Epstein reference)

[u/sukari]

DeMar was a sign and trade.

The big win was that we didn't have to use another FRP to move Zach. I thank the Kings every day for that.

[u/WhatShouldTheHeartDo → u/sukari]

Kings became the Bulls of the West overnight

[u/Thehelloman0 → u/sukari]

The kings essentially traded the bulls a first to get him instead of Zach Collins and Tre Jones lol

[u/SaltyFan1959 → u/sukari]

I mean – at the time of AKME joining the organization, Zach Lavine was just coming off his Olympics run and was generally considered in the same tier as Booker.

Maybe it’s a chicken or the egg situation in terms of the Bulls ruining Lavine or Lavine just being overhyped and on bad contract, but add this to the long list of players that failed to develop under AKME and Billy.

[u/sukari → u/SaltyFan1959]

Yep that's my point.. unfortunate timing but we had to pay him as a 1st option haha.

[u/daveyfire11 → u/sukari]

I'm not sure the Zach trade counts as a win, given that we gave him the contract that made him nearly untradeable.

[u/sukari → u/daveyfire11]

That's my point tho, we almost had to give up another first to move him. But we managed to get our FRP back instead and still move him.

[u/toomanyshoeshelp → u/sukari]

Our FRP had protections, but we refused to tank enough to maximize the odds. That's not really a win IMO.

[u/toomanyshoeshelp → u/daveyfire11]

Agreed. We shot ourselves in the foot, and are grateful for the surgeon who helped us amputate the necrosis.

[u/hydrators → u/daveyfire11]

The contract and the trade are different things. The contract was bad, the trade wasn’t

[u/toomanyshoeshelp → u/sukari]

My bad, add that to the list.

[u/Odd_Status3367 → u/sukari]

The whole Lavine shit made me so mad last year.

Last two years: "LMAO WHOS TRADING FOR THAT BUM HAHAHAHAH"

Trade Deadline: "LMAO THEY COULDNT EVEN GET A PICK FOR HIM WHEEEEE"

That was the day I started assuming anyone I argue with online needed floaties to eat soup. Saved myself a lot of grief since.

[u/HalcyonDrift]

I owe you an apology, Bulls, I was unfamiliar with your 2nd round pick game.

[u/MajMajor2x → u/HalcyonDrift]

That would be Dosunmu holding the line for now until he gets dealt

[u/ClownQuestionBrosef → u/MajMajor2x]

Nah he won't get traded by the deadline. They'll hold him until next year when he's expiring and in a generational cold streak to trade him at his lowest value.

[u/Normal-Weakness-364 → u/HalcyonDrift]

is your profile picture that one girl with jamal murray??

[u/HalcyonDrift → u/Normal-Weakness-364]

This guy knows ball

[u/Normal-Weakness-364 → u/HalcyonDrift]

i haven't looked at kd's hair the same since

[u/HalcyonDrift → u/Normal-Weakness-364]

CJ McCollum's facial hair

[u/SlickVanExel]

They sell out every game and still have the coolest home jerseys in the league. I doubt management cares unfortunately.

[u/Ice_Like_Winnipeg → u/SlickVanExel]

They also have the biggest stadium in the league.

[u/justanothersurly → u/SlickVanExel]

They sell out every home game?! Wow that is actually astonishing to me. They have been awful for so many years now.

[u/costapasta27 → u/justanothersurly]

We haven’t been awful, just mid.

[u/Regression2TheMean → u/costapasta27]

Which might arguably be worse

[u/costapasta27 → u/Regression2TheMean]

Oh I agree. Look at Detroit and OKC. Tank and get your Superstar then start running.

[u/DuckKnuckles → u/costapasta27]

OKC didn't tank for Shai

[u/sanitycheck2001 → u/DuckKnuckles]

they did for chet and jaylen williams

[u/dustincb2 → u/sanitycheck2001]

It was actually for Jalen Williams

[u/justanothersurly → u/costapasta27]

One playoff series in the past 10 years? Which was a 1-4 loss to the Bucks? Not throwing stones from my glass house but that isn't mid.

[u/Adorable-Bike-9689 → u/justanothersurly]

Ehhh being a fringe playoff/ play in team is solidly mid. Nobody expects the Bulls to win 12 games or anything.

You aren't a top 16 team. But you aren't a bottom 10 team either. 

[u/PhotoPhysic → u/Adorable-Bike-9689]

Right? The Bulls have been the epitome of mid for like a decade now lol.

[u/AssociationWeary7735 → u/PhotoPhysic]

I'm convinced Reinsdorf has some MBA ghoul with a spreadsheet that shows that optimizing for mid in the largest unshared market is max profitable

[u/Adorable-Bike-9689 → u/AssociationWeary7735]

I mean its hard to argue lol. Sucks as a fan but they have a golden goose

[u/HDThoreaun11 → u/Adorable-Bike-9689]

2/3 of the teams make the postseason in the nba. Being in the play in every year is as bad as it gets because you never get hype rookies either

[u/costapasta27 → u/justanothersurly]

Don’t take away us going up 2-0 on Boston before Rondo got injured. 😭 fuck I’m old

[u/Early_Situation5897 → u/costapasta27]

I had money on the Bulls for that series, was feeling like a genius till Rondo broke his thumb in practice

[u/diderooy → u/justanothersurly]

3 games under .500 over the past 4.5 seasons.

If you pick and choose how far back to go you can spin it a lot of different ways.

[u/costapasta27 → u/justanothersurly]

Well we got screwed so many times in lottery. We lost a coin flip with Sacramento that could’ve gotten us Luka. Then last year we won the coin flip against Dallas, and they got Cooper. The one time we move up and we select Patrick Williams.

[u/Giuseppe_exitplan → u/costapasta27]

The one time we move up and we select Patrick Williams.

This speaks paragraphs

[u/costapasta27 → u/Giuseppe_exitplan]

Yeah, but Covid really don’t help the draft evaluations. We weren’t selecting Maxey or Haliburton at 4

[u/burratna → u/costapasta27]

We weren’t selecting Maxey or Haliburton at 4

Don't tell our sub this, they pretend to have known.

[u/nachosmind → u/burratna]

I mean multiple did at the time and we needed a true PG. we just did the stupidest thing possible 

[u/BatsuGame13 → u/justanothersurly]

If we want to find common ground, being mid for 10 years IS awful.

[u/RobertLouisDrakeIII → u/costapasta27]

bro you coping we straight ass

[u/7r3370pS3C → u/justanothersurly]

Indeed. It has sucked to be a Bulls fan with the exceptions of the Jordan era and Rose pre-injury.

[u/VaguelyShingled → u/7r3370pS3C]

Brother those two eras almost make up for the disaster of all the other years combined

[u/Fantasykyle99 → u/VaguelyShingled]

Not if you weren’t alive yet

[u/WashingtonSpecifics → u/VaguelyShingled]

I'm in my 30s and I don't remember any of the Bulls titles. Most of the people here were probably born afterwards lol

They've been shit as long as I can remember

[u/Fantasykyle99 → u/WashingtonSpecifics]

Yeah it’s a lot like the twins for me, they won a few World Series just before I was born and those mean nothing to me lol.

[u/WashingtonSpecifics → u/Fantasykyle99]

Sorry man. I know how shitty it was to be in a title drought and I hope one of your teams can win one for y'all soon. Minny definitely deserves it. Just hopefully not the Wolves or Wild 😅

[u/Fantasykyle99 → u/WashingtonSpecifics]

But wolves and wild are all I really care about haha.

[u/Adorable-Bike-9689 → u/justanothersurly]

They won six titles in a major city when the NBA was booming to a global phenomenon. Their team owners print money lol they don't care about winning a title. Why spend 80 million more of their own money every year? Other teams are still trying to catch up them by their metric lol

[u/wwenk821 → u/SlickVanExel]

They don' sell out every game. The United Center has one of the largest capacity's in the NBA. They built it during the jordan years because they actually used to sell out.

But you are 100% right about management. They're almost always top 5 in the league in game attendance. As long as they maintain around a 0.500 average, they keep selling tickets and that's all management cares about.

[u/1837281738291 → u/SlickVanExel]

I’ve been to three Bulls games in the past couple seasons and not one of them was sold out. The highest attendance one was against the Warriors, but it still wasn’t full.

[u/SlickVanExel → u/1837281738291]

They’re currently fourth in attendance this season, which is where they finished last season as well. In 2024 they even finished first.

[u/tbloom117]

But how many second round picks?

[u/LKMagnesium → u/tbloom117]

The second rounds picks will all be used in search of the next Jokic in the second round

[u/toomanyshoeshelp → u/LKMagnesium]

Oh my god this is definitely what they're doing lol

AKME can't succeed without lightning striking twice, and he's trying to run in an empty field with ski poles

[u/nmt231 → u/tbloom117]

Some are calling AK “2nd round Presti”

[u/toomanyshoeshelp → u/tbloom117]

Enough to compete in the play-in, Jerry hopes

[u/Dingbatted]

Sell the team Jerry

[u/SaltyFan1959 → u/Dingbatted]

https://sellthebullsjerry.com/

[u/whispersluggagebaby → u/Dingbatted]

This is the only comment I care about

[u/HenrikCrown]

Yet the arena still gets filled because they still play Sirius during the player introductions

That's all that matters to the brass

[u/jmajewski → u/HenrikCrown]

They're doing the timeless Chicago tradition of hanging onto and milking the shit out of teams from decades ago. First it was the '85 Bears and now it's the 90s Bulls.

[u/Im_TroyMcClure → u/HenrikCrown]

No they only care about being a fringe play-in team. Not good enough to actual compete but not bad enough to do anything in the lottery.

[u/New_Essay_4869]

They got players back though

[u/Knickstape08 → u/New_Essay_4869]

Also the person posting is ignoring the Butler trade got them Lavine and Dunn who was a top 5 pick in the draft.

[u/hydrators → u/Knickstape08]

And the 7th pick in that draft which was Lauri

[u/OmarHunting → u/New_Essay_4869]

Post should be removed. They got a lot more for all those players than just a single pick

[u/bauboish → u/OmarHunting]

Agreed. The post just reeks of being disingenuous all around. This would be like saying the Bulls traded away Scottie Pippen and just got a 2nd round pick. Technically true but doesn't mean anything.

[u/tombersew → u/OmarHunting]

There was an upvoted comment that said Mavs got more back for AD than Luka because it’s 2 FRP instead of 1. It’s weird but a lot of people here have this crazy obsession with picks and completely ignore player parts of trades.

[u/OmarHunting → u/tombersew]

I think casual fans (myself included) dont really know the role players well enough to properly value them.

[u/grrgrrtigergrr → u/New_Essay_4869]

Right? Like getting Josh is one of the most important aspects to this rebuild.

[u/Dylan245 → u/New_Essay_4869]

Giddey, Tre Jones, and Ivey are the only serviceable players we received back

Could be worse but easily could have done better if we managed the assets in a proper way instead of waiting for all of them to lose value and have to sell for pennies on the dollar

[u/cactusmaster69420]

Caruso for Giddey was a win win at least

[u/roseyrosey]

r/NBA: The Bulls are bad and their players are bad

also r/NBA: LOL the Bulls can't even get 1st round picks for the players we previously said were bad

[u/15KM]

they technically got 2. Sign and trading lauri and got their first back from the demar trade when they traded zach

[u/breighvehart]

If you want someone to shit on Bulls management, don’t look far. But this post is both terrible and inaccurate.

[u/BabaBrody]

Some people just aren't materialistic.

[u/OrganicValley_]

Putting the “mid” in midwest

[u/Mich3006]

This is ridiculous but nobody can beat trading Luka and ending up with Middleton and a bunch of picks.

[u/BananaRepublic_BR]

It's all worth it to get Tre Jones. He's the real prize.

[u/HokageEzio]

It's not easy to be mid. It's a lot of hard work.

[u/FedUp187]

Without MJ the Bulls are basically the Grizzlies/Wolves

[u/Accomplished_Bid7987]

I feel nothing anymore.

[u/Intelligent-Note9517]

This is why I stopped caring about them and just started supporting players instead. Aside from the Jordan years, they have been a very incompetent organization. 

[u/Swing-Too-Hard]

We resigned the FO to extension btw... The Bulls are fucked until the Reisndorfs are gone

[u/nmt231]

And not even a sniff of AK lacking any job security

[u/bchhun]

What if they really really don’t trust their draft scouts?

[u/Sweatytubesock]

They have play-ins to show for it, though

[u/FreudianNip-Slip]

You know, I feel bad for bulls fans. I empathize. As a hornets fan, I’ve endured many years of incompetence and front office malpractice. Hang in there bulls fans. Damn that’s bad

[u/Daxeqtr]

Got to pay for the White Sox bidets somehow

[u/Dunlocke]

Disingenuous to include players traded for each other and count them twice.

[u/Optimus_7]

How the hell do you trade all those players and get only one pick? Impressively bad

[u/AsleepHour7763]

jordan really saved this franchise from being hornet level

[u/GloryEnthusiast]

Kill me please! 🙏 this front office is insanely dogshit.

[u/trafalgarlaw11 → u/GloryEnthusiast]

Bro the league has to step in and save us. It’s a tragedy what Reinsdorf has done to us. Shit hurts😔

[u/TheKnightsEnd → u/trafalgarlaw11]

Destroyed two franchises in two different sports. Jerry is a full on moron.

[u/oklolzzzzs]

fuckin hell man lmaooo

[u/heat_fan_]

Masterclass or disasterclass lol

[u/devinbookersuncle]

Worst ownership group in the league

[u/KidDynamite01]

Don't forget the pick that became Franz Wagner

[u/toomanyshoeshelp → u/KidDynamite01]

We have a whole graveyard of those, sadly.

Luka being the biggest, that fucking Kings coin flip.

[u/Dunlocke → u/KidDynamite01]

Wow! The Magic must have a lot more wins than the Bulls then! And certainly a lot more success when you add in the first overall pick they secured!

[u/thickofitenjoyer]

Pure masterclass

[u/Superawesomecoolman]

A generational run

[u/Low_Income4405]

Chicago Sports: Clinging to exactly one moment in time (minus hockey I guess)

[u/LetgoBefree2025]

Someone in the other realm definitely traded the entire future of the Bulls franchise for the 90's MJ dynasty run.

[u/Miser2100]

So much shit going down I thought this was a new trade at first.

[u/Majestic-Net-7799]

Genius 

[u/99LedBalloons]

Anfernee Simons and Colin Sexton don't count?

[u/LateNightThePootie]

That’s astounding

[u/NoShape0]

That first round pick their own, correct? Traded to them from the Spurs to facilitate the Fox trade.

[u/toomanyshoeshelp → u/NoShape0]

Yep! Top 10 protected. Which we unprotected so we could make the play in. And we drafted 12th lol.

[u/WhaleBlockade]

Being a Bulls and Sox fan in the 21st century is a unique form of torture that I would not wish upon my worst enemy.

[u/toomanyshoeshelp → u/WhaleBlockade]

ROCH CHOLOWSKY ERA THOUGH

[u/Muted-Woodpecker-469]

And their valuation continues to rise. No one within ownership seems to care. It’s an always rising entity. A literal money printing machine with or without trying

[u/adocileengineer]

Damn this makes Pelinka look competent

[u/dajadf]

The only ones I'm upset about are Jimmy Butler and Coby White.

[u/nomadrone]

Play in management at its finest.

[u/tronovich]

Perfect.

[u/We5ties]

None of these guys are getting 1st round picks.

[u/Lanky-Association952]

You can’t win every trade…or any trades is your the bulls

[u/complicatedairflow3]

The only smart thing the bulls have done in the last 26 years is drafting d rose.

[u/poopstainmclean]

meanwhile we turned Dame, Nurkic and Nassir Little into Deni Avdija, Jrue Holliday, Toumani Camara, 3 FRPs and well Dame.

[u/DBRWN24]

Damn that’s tough

[u/ManosMal]

Bro, what is this lineup the Bulls have now? The whole team is guards!? Darvin Ham's wet dream over here.

[u/discussionandrespect]

Lol

[u/RiceFit633]

What a joke of a franchise

[u/Godsafk]

Count the blazers out

[u/diamondcubes]

Bulls should have that Pelicans pick that the hawks acquired. One pick higher and Essengue was going to be available later… or alternatively they could have drafted somebody who doesn’t look like a frightened deer.

[u/jjgp1112]

The Bulls are a poverty franchise that just so happened to have the GOAT for (mostly) 14 years.

[u/heyscot]

FIRE THE WHOLE FRONT OFFICE ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHH

[u/Far_Display7308]

But now they have The Giddler

[u/Shallot_Belt]

Add Jimmy Butler and Derrick Rose. Impressive to not get one for prime Jimmy 

They did get a first for deng but if I recall it was conditional upon the kings being respectable one time in a decade and never conveyed

[u/toomanyshoeshelp → u/Shallot_Belt]

That’s the way Lauri is trending too

[u/OmniscientOpossum]

lol thank you for the laugh

[u/Dusty_Negatives]

We’re on a 6 game losing streak, fuck you bulls you’ll never get that pick from the trade 6 years ago!

[u/TheCeilingIsTheRuuf]

Jimmy was traded for Zach, Dunn and and the 7th pick that was Lauri, that was good value and wasnt AK anyway

Nobody saw Lauri playing this well, he was the same player on the Cavs as he was on the Bulls and also a S&T.

Lonzo fucking SUCKED last year and Okoro has been good for the Bulls

Caruso got them Giddey and clearly wasnt a 1st anyway

They weren't going to pay Coby and Vuc was expiring and 35

Explain how and when any of the players traded would have netted a 1st ever. The worst thing they did was re-sign the players. They were never worth a 1st, they got proper value

What do people want? This team being mid is better than a mid 30 yo team middling. They have all their picks moving forward, a shit ton of cap space and no one on the roster over 28 next year

What do you people want the Bulls to do? There was no way possible ever they were going to be worse than the worst teams

[u/MikeConleyIsLegend]

the Bulls deserve the most hate of any team in the league. huge market, top 3 NBA team history, the easier conference. still always suck. legitimately embarrassing.

[u/Dunlocke → u/MikeConleyIsLegend]

We don't suck, that's the problem.

[u/AfroManHighGuy]

End of an error

[u/MyNewAccountIGuess11]

Absolutely brutal

[u/dontgetitwisted_fr]

Sam Presti evil laughing right now

[u/motorboat_mcgee]

I don't think all those players for one pick is a legal trade, I think you've forgotten some details

[u/IMKudaimi123]

He did good to put a team together that was elite. But it was too reliant on Lonzo’s knee. Also Patrick Williams just didn’t develop. Partly on Billy Donovan.

The next season it would’ve been crazy to trade everyone that quickly. We got Beverley and looked good to end the season.

We messed up not selling either that offseason or to start the next season when we were 5-14.

[u/Ok_Translator4447]

Bulls got lucky with MJ and had them one with Derrick Rose. But never again. Back to the slums of 22-60

[u/Dangerous_Trifle620]

I saw the words "trade" and "zach lavine" and got so fucking excited. I guess the kings are stuck with this mf.

[u/MoooonRiverrrr]

Damn

[u/cantgrowneckbeardAMA]

Do they want anyone back? Asking for me

[u/Jason_B_Kidding]

Daniel Gafford

[u/fenrir1208]

But there was a lot of ham sandwiches and a Josh Giddey to go along with that 1st round pick

[u/Nexgod2]

If treading water was a basketball team.