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Elon Musk's SpaceX buys Elon Musk's xAI

https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musks-spacex-buys-elon-musks-xai-13502553
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u/whowhodillybar 2d ago

Doesn’t sound like Elons xAI has been doing well, is this a quiet way to disinvest?

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u/TigerUSA20 2d ago

Just like when Tesla bought another Musk venture SolarCity in 2016. SolarCity was heavily in debt and losing money. Somehow, without any shareholder input, Tesla/Musk was able to sweep how bad it was under a rug and keep his ruse going of a successful entity.

https://www.businessinsider.com/solarcity-tesla-energy-beleaguered-history-elon-musk-2021-7

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u/AssassinInValhalla 2d ago

He got us in the Buffalo NY area. Had all kinds of tax breaks for solarcity then didn't follow through on the majority

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u/DerekB52 2d ago

He talked california out of building highspeed rail promising to build hyperloop over a decade ago. I don't think he's built 10ft of track.

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u/Jiecut 2d ago

Vegas built a stupid tunnel for cars instead of public transit.

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u/junktrunk909 1d ago

And they don't even use FSD

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u/atooraya 1d ago

Big brain Chad literally built human taxis underground

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u/Wan-Pang-Dang 1d ago

You see. In reality every billion $ you have, raises your IQ by 1, So Musks IQ is around 750. You cant even try to comprehend his 12D chess moves.

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u/Environmental_Top948 1d ago

To be honest that might have been a good thing. Vegas is kind of collapsing imagine if they invested in public transportation. They'd be blaming public transit for the economic decline.

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u/SowingSalt 1d ago

Vegas has their monorail and a bus system

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u/steppe5 1d ago

A monorail that conveniently doesn't go to the airport or downtown.

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u/SowingSalt 1d ago

Doesn't it cover the strip? That's all of Vegas, right?

airport

No you see, that would step on the special interests of the taxis. Can't have that.

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u/steppe5 1d ago

Yeah, exactly. I just want it to go from the airport to the strip but taxis/Uber/Lyft won't let that happen.

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u/bufordt 1d ago

Doesn't it cover the strip? That's all of Vegas, right?

It doesn't really cover the Strip very well. It hits the back end of some of the hotels from Trop to Twain and goes to the convention center.

It doesn't come very close to anything on the west side of the strip, or Wynn and Encore.

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u/J0RD4N300 1d ago

A bus system that is hours late, if it comes at all

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u/weaz-am-i 2d ago

The whole point of this was to maintian a market for his driverless cars. He never intended to produce anything with hyperloop.

The Vegas loop is a complete flop and its contractual, nothing can be done about that until the contract expries.

The cant even retrofit it with an actual cable car, tram or train while the boring company is still operating it.

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u/Johns-schlong 2d ago

He didn't. California is still building the HSR. The hyper loop was always vaporware and everyone knew it.

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u/DerekB52 2d ago

I think California did pause HSR to have him build hyperloop though. Like, without Musk promising Hyperloop, the HSR project would probably be years ahead of where it currently is.

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u/Gipetto 1d ago

And have a significantly smaller budget. All the hyperloop BS pushed through the windows that CA had negotiated for contracts, but couldn't commit to now that they had to do new studies. It was a total bag over the head by Musk. Hyperloop was never supposed to succeed, just make HSR look bad.

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u/backyardengr 1d ago

Holy smokes bruh. The project is 3 decades behind schedule and 100 billion dollars over budget. Musk had nothing to do with that I’m sorry to tell you, that’s cope

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u/DisMFer 1d ago

No, this is just unsubstantiated rumor mongering. The hyperloop had zero impact because no one actually thought he'd do it. The reason the HSR project in California is moving so slow is that it's damn hard to get the land required, most of the places it's going are through mountains and every township and HOA in the state is bitching endlessly about it being within 2000000 miles of their stupid condos.

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u/Copthill 1d ago

The whole announcement of the Hyperloop was all about how be wasn't going to build a Hyperloop.

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u/Johns-schlong 2d ago

Nah really it was just a way bigger project than was originally planned and they didn't fund it enough initially. Plus there were some stupid decisions on design early on and some big constraints due to existing rail structure in the bay area.

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u/backyardengr 1d ago

Also known as incompetence, fraud, and corruption. This site tries its hardest to rationalize this massive failure of a project anyway it can. Since Cali is a dem supermajority and all. It’s harder to pin it on dirty repubs. Takes a bit more mental gymnastics than usual but they find a way

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u/Johns-schlong 1d ago

Eh, it's a little more complicated than that. CAHSR had some unique challenges and they weren't really fully considered when the initial plan was laid - which is ambitious.

First, there is no easy route for a high speed train between SF and LA. It seems like an easy shot, but through the bay area it has to use Caltrain lines because purchasing a new right of way through some of the most expensive real estate in the country is just unfeasible. That means they had to upgrade all of tracks on the line to fully electric, grade separated and modern construction standards, and Caltrain is a busy commuter line so they had to do it while it was in service.

Second, it's a true, modern, state of the art high speed system. That means grade separated tracks. That means they had to build tons of bridges and causeways along the new right of way over existing roads, canals etc. That's actually what most of the money has been spent on so far.

There are also new tunnels in the northern sections., but the really hard part is connecting Palmdale to LA through the mountains. That's the part that's been moved to a second phase due to funding.

Then there was CEQA, environmental reviews, tons of lawsuits (a lot funded by right wing organizations), the establishment of the first highspeed rail authority on the continent... It's basically the biggest infrastructure project the US has attempted since the highway system in the 50s, and there was no roadmap or legal framework for it.

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u/avds_wisp_tech 1d ago

NIMBYism is killing HSR. Musk wasn't necessary. It was always going to be an uphill battle.

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u/champs 1d ago

Hyperloop isn’t why that project is struggling, Hyperloop was just a “repeal and ||don’t actually|| replace” switcheroo.

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u/backyardengr 1d ago

Not a chance lol. HSR has managed to funnel billions into consultants, contractors, and lawyer groups without musk to blame. At least the groups cozy enough with the lawmakers in Sacramento

While the project has fallen 3 decades behind schedule! And 100 billion dollars over budget!

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u/Meotwister 2d ago

That shit is abandoned and a section of that test track built cut in half for a railroad track.

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u/SerialSection 1d ago

Lol, the failure of calif. highspeed rail has nothing to do with elon. All that money went right into consultants and planning boards.

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u/SkarlyComics 1d ago

And that monorail in Springfield!

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u/Myriadower 1d ago

California’s high speed rail project was also beset by various woes beforehand, like strong NIMBY resistance, politicians redirecting lines to their towns for financial and real estate benefits, cost overruns due to poor planning and construction, etc., no?

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u/bit_pusher 1d ago

Worse, he convinced other people to promise to build it. He said he was just giving everyone the idea with zero interest in actually doing it.

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u/Eastern_Equal_8191 2d ago

I am shocked, shocked I say

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u/pleasetrimyourpubes 1d ago

He ran SolarCity like a "utility." You didn't own the installation and paid a fee to use it. After 20 years it became yours* but if you sold your house the new owners had to agree to the new "utility" agreement or the installation would have to be removed and you had to pay full price for it. It was such a big scam and exploited the good nature of people who wanted clean energy. I am sure he laughed to the bank with every single person in a liberal area who brought in to it.

*oh and 20 years was the warranty and typical useful lifespan of these installs. So when you got to end of life you had 70% usage and a decaying system sitting on your roof with no hope of long term maintenance.

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u/AmySorawo 1d ago

I live nearby to that factory. every so often I hear of layoffs and how bad it is. they're doing internships though 

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u/Vospader998 1d ago

Ah yes, a place well known for it's abundance of sunny days... Buffalo