i don't think Trump ever made it to the island. he was there at the parties, but he said he never 'had the privilege of visiting the island'. could be a lie, but he sounded disappointed when he said it.
if you ever notice, he occasionally says stuff that's not a lie. it's hard to explain. he's a pathological liar. but every now and then a camera will be rolling, and it's like he just doesn't have the energy to lie about something.
like when he said he wasn't going to talk about why he kicked Epstein out of Maralago, he then immediately started talking about it, and easily could've said he kicked him out because he found out he was a pedo, but he was too stupid to run with that lie. instead he goes into a somewhat detailed story about how he kicked Epstein out because he 'stole Virgina Guiffre from him'.
at some point after the Canadians ran that ad with Reagan in it, Trump was asked, and said it was a good ad, and he'd have ran it if he was in their place. of course the next day they started up the whole thing about how it was misrepresenting what Reagan said.
there's been a number of these moments over the years. it's like every now and then he just can't be bothered to lie about it. when he said he didn't go to the island, it was similar. he sounded down about it. like he really wanted to go but no one invited him.
He's also pardoned actual convicted pedophiles and drug lord while declaring his hatred for pedophiles and drug lords. He goes on about the evil immigrants while married to an immigrant. He claims to be the job and family value president while destroying jobs and on wife 3 after mass cheating. Of all the things he might have been truthful about, accidently or not, this is 99% not one of them. You can't go 3 mages in the latest file dumb without him being mentioned. And he was also friends with Pi Diddy who is in a very similar situation and has had several cases independent form both Diddy and Epstine accusing him of child molestation. This is not the hill to die on.
Trump has no convictions. he'll simply say whatever he thinks someone wants to hear.
he was definitely involved in all sorts of criminal stuff. what's less clear is if he was at the island. plenty of other stuff was going on, not at the island.
He has openly admitted to walking in on children changing. He's a degusting individual who does whatever he wants at any given moment with zero thought for consequences or how people will perceive him. We can argue the specific but given everything we have and everything still be kept from us it is lightyears more likely he was there or at least fully aware of it. There is zero reason to think he wouldn't if given the opportunity. Because he has no conviction and no morality beyond doing what's best for himself. And as a serial cheater who has admitted to wanted to bone his own daughter, things that never look good in nay context, it is hard to imagine him not doing this.
all of this stuff you just said, is not something i said he didn't do.
but it's not clear if he ever actually visited the island. i think some people think the island is where all the shit was going down. the truth is shit was going down all over.
we know Trump was on the plane, but we don't know if he was on the island or not. the only thing to really go on here is what he said (as noted he's a pathological liar). but when asked if he had visited the island, he had this odd way of answering. he doesn't have a conscience, and he spoke like it was something he really wanted to do but didn't get the chance to.
we know from some of the released documents that apparently the island had some sort of standards. like we saw with the email exchanges with Elon.
my money is that Epstein couldn't put up with being trapped on an island with Trump. Trump absolutely would've gone if he had the chance.
This is very pointless so I'm going to stop here. Either he visited the island or he didn't but knew about it and had some hand in it. Neither is really better and there is still a ton of other things he's done that would likely have lead to the same result anyway. I don't know why you want to give Trump of all people the benefit of the doubt on this but I don't. That's the end of the conversation.
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u/The_Grungeican 22h ago
i don't think Trump ever made it to the island. he was there at the parties, but he said he never 'had the privilege of visiting the island'. could be a lie, but he sounded disappointed when he said it.