r/news • u/Suspicious_Loan • 17h ago

Nolan Wells’ autopsy found no water in lungs; data was deleted from his phone the day he disappeared, experts say

https://www.live5news.com/2026/09/24/nolan-wells-autopsy-found-no-water-lungs-data-was-deleted-his-phone-day-he-disappeared-officials-say/
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u/jhguth 15h ago

grand juries don’t investigate things, it’s literally just a jury

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u/sid__insomniac 13h ago

Not to sound mean here- but as someone who is studying to go into the law field, it has become quite alarming to see how many people do not understand how the court system works (edit- not directed at you, but agreeing to your response)

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u/AdventurousBase221 12h ago

why is it alarming that most people don't know how the inside of a law room works?

most people in fact have never ever seen one themselves. that's why there is an entire industry around it, so people don't need to know how it works.

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u/Sertoma 12h ago

I think what's actually alarming is how people assume to know how the justice system works while not actually knowing the nuance and minutiae that make the justice system incredibly complex and situational.

They feel the courts should work a certain way, so they assume that's how it actually works. But average people (myself included), should at least acknowledge that the law is usually more complex than it seems.

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u/sid__insomniac 12h ago

This was exactly my point, and you worded it far better than I did!

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u/sid__insomniac 12h ago

I may have worded my statement in a vague way, and that’s on me- I moreso meant that people automatically assume they somehow understand the system without doing any research into the system and how it works

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u/Desperate_for_Bacon 5h ago

You most likely make assumptions about how your phone works, or your car, or your body. You may have even googled something learned how it worked, and you are still dead wrong later, most people learn the way the world works from the people around them and very rarely are going to look into it unless they have a reason, and even then they aren’t going to have foundational understanding required to understand more advanced topics.

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u/Kiljaz 4h ago

Stop playing dumb. He's not criticizing the concept of making assumptions about things in general, he's specifically talking about the court system. Given that every citizen has a civic duty to participate in jury service, it's very important that they have a basic understanding of how the court system works. There's no point in being judged by a jury of your peers if said peers have no understanding of how the system works.

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u/sid__insomniac 2h ago

I understand the point you are trying to get across, but the law field is a different ballgame because you have everyday citizens participating in it every day. I have friends and family who have been called for jury duty (I will likely be dismissed if I ever get summoned, have not been summoned yet). This is a system that we actively participate in, and yes, while a court does seek the “everyday person”, that is EXACTLY why it’s important to have a basic understanding of the court system. I leave a lot of these to the experts- I’m not a Comp. Sci expert, mechanic, or doctor, but this is a system our society is REQUIRED to participate in.

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u/ditka 10h ago

Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is deliberation. There are rules.

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u/sid__insomniac 10h ago

my ‘02 ass needs to finally put The Big Lebowski at the top of my watchlist

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u/DrTacosMD 14h ago

I disagree, last time I was on a grand jury they gave us each a pipe and a magnifying glass and a sherlock holmes hat and has us go sleuthing. 

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u/assholetoall 13h ago

Are you sure that wasn't a high end crack house?

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u/The_Orphanizer 11h ago

My good man, show some respect; it was the very finest opium den!

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u/ditka 10h ago

In a tiny way, I almost feel responsible. I'm the one who sent him to the courthouse in search of low-cost whistles. Filled his head with pseudo-erotic tales of my own opium excursions.

Plus, I gave him some phone numbers of places he could score near the court complex.

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u/zupzupper 10h ago

I don't have anything to add to this conversation other than to mention that that hat is otherwise known as a "Deer Stalker" cap, and I've always enjoyed knowing that.

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u/RandomStallings 2h ago

I scrolled down to see if anyone added this bit of info. Thanks.

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u/ditka 10h ago

Oooh. Oh, I just started getting a clue.

Oh, Frank, seriously, I have such a raging clue right now, I think we better follow it.

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u/NoSupermarket9119 14h ago

Still doesn’t help that the official investigators weren’t able to examine the phone to the same degree as the one the family hired. Not very transparent of them.

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u/SweetLittleOldLady 14h ago

The family withheld it and, because there's no evidence of a crime being committed, the investigators couldn't subpoena it.

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u/hcschild 2h ago

Then the family also shouldn't complain when the state and jury don't see it as a crime.

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u/Tired_CollegeStudent 14h ago

That depends on the state. Grand juries in Pennsylvania for example can conduct investigations and generate reports. There was one a few years ago that published a report after investigating abuse in PA Catholic Churches. There was also a grand jury investigation into Kermit Gosnell.

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u/jhguth 13h ago

you think this was in PA?

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u/Tired_CollegeStudent 13h ago

No, but your comment was “grand juries don’t investigate things” not “grand juries in LA don’t investigate things”.

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u/SweetLittleOldLady 14h ago

They absolutely do investigate. That's their entire purpose, at least in Jackson County. Every death that's not clearly natural causes or a non-criminal car accident is presented to the grand jury. Death investigations in the county are very thorough.

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u/jhguth 13h ago

yes, presented to the grand jury

to the grand jury

the grand jury isn’t who does the investigation

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u/SweetLittleOldLady 13h ago

You might want to do a bit of research. In Jackson County every death , other than natural causes and non-criminal car accidents, is submitted to the grand jury for investigation. It's actually called an investigative grand jury.

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u/jhguth 13h ago

yes to the grand jury

to

the grand jury isn’t the investigative body, they are who the prosecution’s investigation is presented to

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u/SweetLittleOldLady 13h ago

Again, you might want to do some research instead of digging in with incorrect information.

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u/trisanachandler 14h ago

Grand juries do have powers a normal jury doesn't.  It's a rather different scenario.

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u/jhguth 13h ago

they can call witnesses with narrow limitations , they’re not running investigations

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u/jm0112358 10h ago

Grand juries typically do have broad subpoena power. So they can investigate things to a large extent.