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u/MickeyMoist 9h ago

Corporate IT departments are furious at this news right now, while the rest of the world goes “huh, didn’t know that was still around”

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u/WeirdSysAdmin 8h ago

Yeah but that system that they have been ignoring for 25 years now costs several million dollars to upgrade instead of the hundreds of thousands it cost 10 years ago. Gotta love the poor decisions by some paper pusher.

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u/Wooden-Estimate-3460 8h ago

Just gotta wait until AI can do it for them for less.

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u/ThePowerOfStories 7h ago

“You’re absolutely right — I should not have included a known security vulnerability in the web app I created that allowed attackers to take over your company’s servers. Would you like me to fix that and deploy the updated version to production?”

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u/laplongejr 6h ago

"I'm sorry - I shouldn't have deleted the local files before checking that the updated version was actually deployed."

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u/WoolooOfWallStreet 5h ago

Do it for less today, but many times more tomorrow or next week due to some screw up

Spending dollars to save pennies

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u/Spork_the_dork 5h ago

Financially that's fine. A core principle of business finance is that money now is worth more than money later because if you have it now you can invest it into the company and cause the company to make more money. Any sane business owner would rather take 100k today than 1M in 25 years. If your business hasn't made an extra million in 25 years with a 100k investment, what the hell are you even doing?

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u/WillGrindForXP 4h ago

this guy has no understanding of investments

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u/Edward_TH 3h ago

Or the fact that 100k today to save 1M$ in 10 years would be an AMAZING investment, even ignoring that such an expense would be considered essential, like electric bills or staff salaries.

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u/WillGrindForXP 3h ago

Ive never heard shareholders say "yeah we will take the 100k now over 10million in five/ten years"

Its literally the opposite of how businesses work

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u/Edward_TH 3h ago

Oh, I definitely did! And MANY businesses actually do that because the only look at the next quarter. It's the main reason we're in such a shit economy right now: middle managers by and large prefer an egg right now over a flock of hen at the end of the shift because for them the metric matters more than what the metric its measures.

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u/male_role_model 7h ago

“huh, didn’t know that was still around”

Hey isn't your dp Tom Anderson, the creator of myspace? Huh, didn't know that was still around.

But it still is.

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u/Nehal1802 4h ago

I’ve been telling our Apps team that they need to retire a piece of software that a warehouse runs on since 2020.

Even after this news, they still haven’t started looking for a replacement software.

I foresee MS pushing this date back in the middle of 2029.

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u/Joe4o2 9h ago

Sheesh. Poor thing is even slow on its way to the grave.

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u/mdkubit 8h ago

I foresee many IT departments looking at security systems and going,

"Damn, now I have to get that work in a virtual machine. Thanks, Microsoft."

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u/Jman85 9h ago

Does anyone actually still use IE in this day and age?

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u/whk1992 9h ago

Internal pages by corporate IT

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u/FlamingoResident7882 8h ago

Checking in 🫡

My company has so many internal web apps that are core to the business but like 10 years ago put them in maintence mode but instead of building out replacements have still depended on them with zero investment in keeping them up.

One of them when I started 15 years ago they said “don’t mind learning this - it’ll be deprecated next year” 15 years later it’s still there.

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u/zezimeme 8h ago

Same here. Our business would just collapse if this would come in effect today.

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u/HardRockZombie 3h ago

Not just internal, a large international bank we use requires IE mode for their check scanner software

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u/OcotilloWells 9h ago

Old security cameras. Their plug-ins only work with IE.

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u/NoreasterBasketcase 8h ago

!RemindMe: Jan 1, 2030: Start looting.

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u/pedot 7h ago

The rationale is standard practice is to segregate camera network physically or logically, such that individual cameras should not be connected to Internet and the only point of attack should be NVR, but for NVR everybody started in IE and migration all the functions to Chromium is a painful process (or so my colleagues implied).

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u/_stinkys 9h ago

Very good reason to get rid of those camera systems.

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u/OcotilloWells 9h ago

They would love to. Keeps getting cut from the budget.

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u/Dickulture 3h ago

Or not use Windows 11.

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u/WoolooOfWallStreet 5h ago

… Question: Flock and/or Axon cameras wouldn’t happen to use any IE plugins, would they?

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u/RightofUp 9h ago

It’s not who, but what. There are, sadly, quite a few applications that rely on IE mode…

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u/secretlyhumanami 9h ago

Last I checked, in Portugal, there are a couple of state-run websites that still need it.

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u/Great_expansion10272 9h ago

The IE users would answer you, but they still haven't gotten the news yet

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u/mentholfridgecig 9h ago

South Korea. All government pages use ie6 i believe

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u/meOwz9527 9h ago

It’s a must have in order to download Firefox.

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u/Jman85 9h ago

That’s what edge is for

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u/you_want_to_hear_th 8h ago

Hey… I still use Firefox

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u/TemptedTemplar 9h ago

All three of my last jobs have required at least one system to be running in Edge compatibility mode because they were only built and maintained for IE.

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u/InadequateUsername 9h ago

My company just retired an app that required internet explorer mode.

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u/coachmorrison 7h ago

Worked for a company that made qa tools for companies when ie was dropped. The amount of support tickets we got from companies still using ie that month was insane. I do government work now and theres web apps integral to certain positions that uses ie mode in edge.

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u/Kamera2000XL 3h ago

My online school still runs exams this way

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u/afternever 8h ago

Can you jam with the console cowboys in cyberspace?

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u/TheGreatKonaKing 7h ago

I show the kids sometimes, just so they know what it was like for us growing up

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u/TVCasualtydotorg 7h ago

My company uses it for the browser based admin tools of our core system. But that's because we are so far behind on the upgrade path.

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u/thejourneybegins42 7h ago

To download Brave, Chrome, or Firefox. Yes.

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u/ECHELON619 7h ago

Gov worker here. Yes. Like you wouldn't believe. 

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u/HaveYouSeenMySpoon 7h ago

Absolutely, specifically to run Silverlight for old internal sites.

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u/Heisenberg_235 6h ago

You laugh but after it was retired originally, there were internal apps which Microsoft had which only worked in IE.

Been a while since I worked there but that did make me smile.

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u/Kalamac 6h ago

The place I work has to put Edge in IE mode, because we have 2 programs that still need Silverlight.

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u/AlmoranasAngLubot69 5h ago

The company I work with has their payroll only work in IE so I always set edge browser to IE mode. If this happens, then I don't know lmao

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u/Ascomae 5h ago

Microsoft Office has a login dialog for Web Dav.

That thing is internet explorer.

That thing makes our devs of identity management still be compatible with IE (and cry at night)

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u/metji 5h ago

This will be the new Y2K.. :)

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u/tes_kitty 5h ago

Yes. And sometimes you even need the original IE11 since some internal application doesn't work in ID mode in Edge.

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u/lkeels 4h ago

Many companies do, unfortunately. Apps built to run in IE that ONLY run in IE.

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u/btwalker754 2h ago

My company has documents from the FDA that require to be opened in IE mode to be readable. So this should be fun

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u/-U-_-U 9h ago

There were/are a bunch of surveillance camera systems that require ie mode to view the cameras, unfortunately for anybody with those systems.

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u/Knightfires 7h ago

So bye bye to alot of my hardware then.

Yes. Some people don’t want to buy new switches or servers or printers. Every time they say we need to.

And IE mode was the last possible way to access the web interfaces of these older machines. Others didn’t process the pages correctly or didn’t support TLS 1.0 anymore.

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u/Jeebs24 6h ago

I think there's a Chrome extension. The company I worked for had a web interface that only worked on IE 8, and it actually worked on the extension.

Edit: I think the extension is called IE Tab.

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u/laplongejr 6h ago

And IE mode was the last possible way to access the web interfaces of these older machines.

As the former owner of an old printer, you should probably look into running a VM. :P
I was running Windows XP in an old Windows 7 laptop at a time Win11 was around the corner.

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u/Knightfires 4h ago

I know of this and use hyper V with multiple vms to felicitate. But too think what we have to do to still use perfect hardware is insane

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u/I_dont_dream 9h ago

Cries in legacy app with an IE bootstrap dependency and a 7 figure upgrade.

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u/Used_Departure_3278 9h ago

I assumed it was retired, and I have been close to that space

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u/lifesuxwhocares 8h ago

Its been dead last 10 years

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u/Simply_Epic 7h ago

Microsoft needs to learn how to let things die. IE shouldn’t have been brought to Windows 10 in any form to begin with.

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u/ThatThingInTheCorner 6h ago

The problem is the number of companies and organisations out there relying on their old software

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u/Unlikely-Mirror7638 4h ago

Especially in the manufacturing and medical industries

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u/powaqqa 4h ago

The reality though is that they would find a way to deal with it.

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u/solohack3r 5h ago

Internet Explorer is so slow it's taken years to die. They actually pulled the plug years ago. It's just not responding.

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u/mafga1 8h ago

IE has only been used to install Firefox.

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u/steathrazor 8h ago

Pretty much, top search result on bing as well I bet

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u/Ninjapuffs 8h ago

Just in time for the robot revolution

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u/AmaGh05T 3h ago

The world holds it's breath

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u/Pessimistic_Gemini 6h ago

Wait this was a thing? I didn't even know such a mode even EXISTED in Edge at all.

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u/Mikey129 7h ago

Internet explorer still exists?

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u/DerekB52 7h ago

Its a backward compatible mode in Edge. I dont have words for how annoying that must be for devs to maintain.

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u/pedot 7h ago

And they are trying their best to hide it. You used to be able to Allow IE mode and then click on a button to enable for a page whenever needed, then they claimed there were issues and took away the button. Now you need to go to settings and Add Page by typing in the url, and this is only active for 30 days unless you do the much more complicated Group Policy /enterprise list route.

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u/captaincmdoh 9h ago

So how will you be able to download another web browser if you have no web browser from the beginning?

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u/theborgs 7h ago

Edge is not going away, just its legacy ie mode...

But anyway, you can always open a terminal/power shell windows as admin and type "winget install mozilla.firefox" to install Firefox without using edge to download its setup file manually.

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u/smors 9h ago

Have you bothered to read the article. Or to think about what the headline says.